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oh, I will once I played if I happened to find find any, don't you worry
besides, is one thing to disagree about whether the game is or not sexist, and another to say that that concern is a "first world problem"
oh, I will once I played if I happened to find find any, don't you worry
Considering this entire thread is predicated on the personal opinion of a poster, and has no real bearing on societal issues regarding gender, it is a first world problem.
You want to solve societies problems, do it from within. Not on a forum where your opinions are just that.
Considering this entire thread is predicated on the personal opinion of a poster, and has no real bearing on societal issues regarding gender, it is a first world problem.
You want to solve societies problems, do it from within. Not on a forum where your opinions are just that.
So, enlightenme, is a forum outside society? is people who post in a forum not part of society? where do I exactly get into society to change it?
And, to be honest, I am personally less concerned about the fact that we get a 6-3 split, that about the tone that a lot of people uses in this kind of threads to despise women and gay worries or claims
And, to be honest, I am personally less concerned about the fact that we get a 6-3 split, that about the tone that a lot of people uses in this kind of threads to despise women and gay worries or claims
Inflammatory comments like this are what gets threads locked.
Considering this entire thread is predicated on the personal opinion of a poster, and has no real bearing on societal issues regarding gender, it is a first world problem.
You want to solve societies problems, do it from within. Not on a forum where your opinions are just that.
You can do both.
I doubt Bioware came to the companion gender distribution on purpose.
They likely start with MANY companion concepts. Then they get whittled down because they don't work for one reason or another until the final companions are left. This time that just happed to be 6 males and 3 females. What should they do? Change the bearded Grey Warden into a woman at the last minute or something? I'd rather have well thought out companions than forcing them into a gender just to fill some quota.
Besides if it were the other way around I'm sure people would still complain: "Oh look! Bioware is making a harem of female companions for the male PC!" 
Given the number of people from different countries posting here, yeah the fourm does exsist outside of any one society. It's pretty much its own society in and of itself. To influence your society from wherever your from, I would suggest writing letters to your local governmental officials to try and have them promote the issue more. They're archaic in methods, requiring you to use actual physically written documents sent by mail, but it would be more effective then posting here, IMO.
As for tone, I don't appreciate the "tone" of a lot of posters on here who proclaim the developers and any supporters are being sexist, discriminatory, or evil by simply not minding the changes. So the tone on both sides of this conflict here has been nasty, resulting in a feedback loop between the two.
How would me protesting my local government solve my problem? my problem being that I get tired of the "there, there" answers to claims like an equal gender split among companions
I doubt Bioware came to the companion gender distribution on purpose.
They likely start with MANY companion concepts. Then they get whittled down because they don't work for one reason or another until the final companions are left. This time that just happed to be 6 males and 3 females. What should they do? Change the bearded Grey Warden into a woman at the last minute or something? I'd rather have well thought out companions than forcing them into a gender just to fill some quota.
Besides if it were the other way around I'm sure people would still complain: "Oh look! Bioware is making a harem of female companions for the male PC!"
It would be like that if it was the other way around, yes.
The issue with this, is that saying just good writing is that, why cant it be good writing and equal? Why do most stories just happen to be better with mostly men? Why do stories just happen to be better with just straight people? Why do most stories just happen to be better with all White people? So many stories "are the best story needed" by exclusion. At some point you just realize that isnt the case, its because its the way its always been done.
Also, I am saying this now. Solas could be just as awesome if he were a she. Dorian could have been as awesome. Iron Bull, Cole, grey Warden. The question is why it just so happens the best for the job is what is always done. And the fact it isnt. You have to push yourself sometimes to tell better stories. When I read books, I read them out loud and switch genders of most of the cast. Other than pregnancy, it works pretty well, and you get cool, awesome characters that are much more dynamic and unique. Why? Because any story can be a guys, but so few are allowed to be women's.
When a guy is strong, no questioning, no issue. Aveline it was a thing with her and her femininity. All three female characters were gendered to the sky and back. Fenris, Anders, Varric ( other than the chest hair) were not gendered. I had a hard time imagining the appeal of Fenris until I imagined him as a girl. Not just because i am a lesbian, but because I would love for a female character like him. Honestly change his voice actor and you could have a female character just fine, no issues. Almost word for word dialogue.
( honestly I was happy with how it was done in DA2, but there are always gruffs which is to show my point)
But that isnt a girls story. Men get stories, straight people get romances, women get women stories, LGBT get LGBT romances. The secret to equality I think is to realize there isnt a big difference. Women can still be feminine, and guys can still be masculine. But their stories shouldnt surround that fact.
Why does it matter so much? If the story is best told with these specific characters, who cares what gender they are? You just said the characters stories shouldn't surround their gender so why would it even matter if you have a woman or a man? Is this about you personally being attracted to one over the other?
How about an example:
They should've replaced Cole for Evangeline, if they wanted someone from Asunder.
We had blond abominations before, never a real Templar for more than a few dlc quests.
Cole and Evangeline are extremely different characters. It's not just about sticking in a character from Asunder, it's about putting in a character that will suit the game's storyline most effectively and interact with the PC in the best ways. They aren't interchangeable. Just because one is a woman and would have evened the gender ratio does not mean she would be best suited to squad balance, storyline, and companion interaction.
If you simplify it down to "blond abomination male" and "Templar female" you're ignoring a lot of who that character is.
@ Some of the posters.
FYI, even among pansexual and bisexuals, not everything is about attraction or sex. As was clear in Karu's post, it was about questioning why time and time again men are the default in most narratives. Why it feels like a special exception must be made to include a female character. I agreed with the poster, to be honest, and I'm looking forward to seeing if Allan or David has any further posts on the matter.
So yeah, not all of us are horndogs. If you would kindly put that assumption in check, I would really appreciate it. 
I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare saw it as a priority. Hell, we know it is at this point due to those panels and the attitudes presented by the company.
Creative decisions always trump social agendas though. In the end you pick the best you have and see what they can create. Equal numbers has little to do with social progress, the flesh on the bones, the characterization of the characters, represents that more.
At least so far, and I'm very thankful for that.
Considering that the PC may play a Qunari female character - a rarity in the series - another may have made this feel less unique. It certainly is nothing for me to become upset over in the game.
I think one of the most popular female characters in the whole series is Sigrun. Also the only non elf\human follower. I can`t think of having ever heard someone say they hated Sigrun, to be honest.
I hated her. She was a kill-stealer and her face tattoos were gross and the way she said "fail" when my rogue would try to unlock stuff annoyed me, especially when using her on the chest would yield no better results!
I hated her. She was a kill-stealer and her face tattoos were gross and the way she said "fail" when my rogue would try to unlock stuff annoyed me, especially when using her on the chest would yield no better results!
You just got your ticket to The Wall. Have fun when the White Walkers show up.
You just got your ticket to The Wall. Have fun when the White Walkers show up.
OMG, The Wall has about a 2,500-1 ratio of men to women. 
I'm thinking a lot of Bioware fans would have trouble there. Me, I'll just hook up with Val.
Besides if it were the other way around I'm sure people would still complain: "Oh look! Bioware is making a harem of female companions for the male PC!"
Didn't think of it that way before but you're absolutely right. 
it should be 5/4 not 6/3
Which is better, characters created naturally or characters created to satisfy an arbitrary ratio?
Which is better, characters created naturally or characters created to satisfy an arbitrary ratio?
Characters created naturally, but as I've said before, if you habitually include male characters more often than female because you think their stories fit better, then it may be that one needs to look into why this is the case.
And like I said before, I don't think this applies to Dragon Age, as this is the first DA game to not have a close ratio. I'm just speaking in theory.
Characters created naturally, but as I've said before, if you habitually include male characters more often than female because you think their stories fit better, then it may be that one needs to look into why this is the case.
And like I said before, I don't think this applies to Dragon Age, as this is the first DA game to not have a close ratio. I'm just speaking in theory.
I'm sort of confused about why people seem to think a character has to be in the combat party in order to receive significant interaction and development. Who knows how it works in DAI, but that doesn't have to be the case.
This is a Very long post. I am trying to cram a whole term of sociology with a personal note in one go.Why does it matter so much? If the story is best told with these specific characters, who cares what gender they are? You just said the characters stories shouldn't surround their gender so why would it even matter if you have a woman or a man? Is this about you personally being attracted to one over the other?
How about an example:
This is a Very long post. I am trying to cram a whole term of sociology with a personal note in one go.
I dont know how attraction got in there, but no, not talking about that. When I say stories shouldnt be based on gender I mean that the media and the world around us socialize us. Boys are given heroes, and girls are given girls.
When I was a a little girl, i was really sexist. I thought women were silly, flighty, stupid, cruel, backstabby, and unpleasant. I used to wish I was a boy, that if I prayed enough I would stop being a horrible girl and be a boy. I was not Trans. I had accepted this from the world around me, not my mother who was feminist, or my father who was super feminist, but from TV, books (I loved to read) and friends. Girls were worthless. I wanted to be the hero. I wanted to play legos, I loved dinosaurs, and pirates and scraps in the mud. But I was not allowed because I was a girl.
I was a mans rights activist in middle school. I felt women were ruining it for men. Neither of my parents understood. Honestly, socialization is what gives us our isms, media, the reason so many sexist stuff is on MMOS is because video games are really really sexist. We take that with us. We get socialized. Its the unsaid stuff, the subtext. We pick it up and as we get older we hold it with us.
I have seen women love male careers and get hated on every day because the low key stuff hits home all the time. They get gruff, and sometimes they quit because a job shouldnt mean having to feel unsafe and humiliated. Is this due to the guys being Evil? Usually not. Guys are given subtext too about gender and what a woman is, what a man is and their relation to each other.
Female characters are women first and characters second. They fill the female role. Thats why so many of them suck. It isnt because women are somehow magically uninteresting because of whats between their legs, as they are always women with key notes on why they are women. Most male heroes could be women fairly easily, same personality the whole gig. But men being women characters is harder for this reason. I can easily imagine Luke Skywalker as a girl, same lines. Leia as a guy??? No.
Leai is written gendered as a woman, Luke is written as a hero. Isabela is actually fine on the most part, except how everyone in the game treats her except Merrill. Calling a guy who sleeps around those names is a joke because much less stigma. I could go on and on. But changing shows and media is important. Changing the key notes that women are women and men are people. One is normal, the other a fraction of society. I dont want man crusher, I just want stories where being capable and doing things and being a hero is possible. I dont want a female hero. I want a hero who just happens to be a woman.
Then surely your hero will indeed be a strong lady, identical in most ways to the male version. The companions are Leia's but the Inquisitor is a Luke, and fortunately (as Bioware has shown with FemShep and LadyHawk), we can expect the Inquisitor to be a hero who happens to be a woman and not a caricature.
That was a well-explained post but I'm curious, why weren't you allowed to play with Legos if your parents were super feminists?
Indeed. When it comes to something like gender diversity, we're looking across the breadth of the game as a whole--with minor characters as well as major ones. A discussion comes up, and at that point we'll need to assess if it's something that requires special intervention.
Like you say, an argument could be made that party members require different rules separate from "the cast as a whole", and that's fair. We have a lot of things to balance, and I have little doubt many fans will disagree on what priority they should individually take. If someone wants to suggest the reasoning behind the numbers is misogynistic, however, I'd look at our treatment of female characters in Dragon Age overall and say I don't really see that bearing up. Perhaps you disagree, and so be it if so, but I'm hopeful the game will speak for itself.
Your characters themselves are wonderfully portrayed, but it can't be a coincidence that there are far more examples of BIoware's games having more male companions than female companions than t'other way around, and at some point it is good to consider why that might be.
In fact I can't think of a single Bioware game with more female companions than male ones, but I'm willing to be proved wrong if someone with more knowledge is willing.
In addition, many people don't have a problem with the fact that you chose 6 males (if Cole actually counts as male) and 3 females per se; instead they have an issue with the fact that they can't imagine you having 6 women and 3 men in a party, perhaps due to past experience with your company, and as such are disappointed.
The fact that we've only seen a male inquisitor in-game is likely heightening their disappointment, but that's off-topic.
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