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This is a Very long post. I am trying to cram a whole term of sociology with a personal note in one go.
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I dont want a female hero. I want a hero who just happens to be a woman.
May I steal this last line for my signature? I'll happily give you credit. You just made my day and I've had a rather crappy one. 
In short: Why do these exact perfect characters for the plot have to be men? Does changing a formerly male character into a woman make a big difference? Usually? No.
Well changing Cole into a woman would be a rather major retcon, no? What is the actual positive to have the bearded Warden dude or Solas be woman? What is the benefit that we are currently missing?
Also why the usual "perfect for the job" isnt quite right. Women could fill those roles, the same roles. But they never do, because women have to be women. Men can be anything.
Which same roles? There are only three combat classes and you have a woman occupying each. Which role is a woman not getting a chance at?
Well changing Cole into a woman would be a rather major retcon, no? What is the actual positive to have the bearded Warden dude or Solas be woman? What is the benefit that we are currently missing?
When you get down to it, though, Cole doesn't really have a gender, though "he" appears male.
Except Morrigan, Celene, Fiona, and Justina and leliana are not companions. We will see them to a minimum, and no one cares much about minor characters. No one obssesses about them quite the same way as companions, Cullen was a bit of an exception due to his romance possibility in Origins.
Also your numbers kinda proove my point. 3 major characters 6 maybe 5 minor characters are women
Vs 6 major characters and 2 minor characters are guys.
The ones that get characterization, in depth conversations, and companionship to your character will be the major characters. Women in charge doesnt matter, without depth. I would gladly trade all the minor characters for one of the guys to gender bend.
I disagree with this. Morrigan and Leliana are both former companions who continue to play an important role, Celene and Briala have an entire novel that's mostly about them, and Fiona was a major character in The Calling. They all have very interesting stories and a lot of depth. The only one that doesn't, in my opinion, is Justinia.
I do actually agree that they should be able to gender swap characters without having to change their story much for the most part. I don't know exactly how they decide what gender to make a character, but I still don't think it's a big deal to have exactly even numbers. I understand that companions have more interaction with the player, but if all you do is gender swap one to be female why does it matter what gender they are outside of aesthetics? Their story and dialogue would be mostly the same. I would complain if the only female companions were all weaker or had less of a role in the plot than male companions, but that has never been the case. As long as there continues to be strong, independent female characters in the world at large I don't really care about exact numbers.
I think they've always done a good job of making interesting female characters, whether they're companions or not. I don't see why this would stop now.
I said this is another thread, but I'll toss it in here.
I would like to point out that two of the three advisers are female. Which puts the ratio of the "core" cast up to 5/7. Which is a lot closer to "equal". You also have to consider that we will probably have tons of major female NPC characters too. Celene. Possibly Briala. MORRIGAN. Who was announced before anyone else and will have a "major role" so that ratio sets probably closer to 6/7. That's not even mentioning that Justinia is female and you have a pretty good chance of seeing Anora when you visit Ferelden again...
I don't think you can judge the cast of the game for not having "enough" female characters by judging the paltry dozen we have seen so far.
Which is better, characters created naturally or characters created to satisfy an arbitrary ratio?
I dont want a female hero. I want a hero who just happens to be a woman.
Characters aren't created naturally. They don't grow on a vine - the Iron Bull will not be appearing in the organic section of your grocer's counter.
Are you saying "Iron Bull in a can" was a bad investment?
oh, I will once I played if I happened to find find any, don't you worry
Video game problems, the scourge of third world countries!
Directly this topic: Why are women a little sad in this case? Because we got 1/3rd of the representation among the companions, and have no doubt, no matter how important an outside NPC is, they will not even get close to the same screen time. Having a myriad of different NPCs that we interact with here and there (some more than others) is not the same as having 4 women among the companions. Part of my concern is, for the most part it isn't the major NPCs that the average consumer is going to see plastered all over the magazines, ads and other media. Other than a glimpse of previous companions in the ads ("oh look, it's Morrigan!) they'll see the same makeup that was in vanilla Origins: 6 men, 3 women as your party members.
Six men in DAO? I only count five. And one of them was Dog.
Six men in DAO? I only count five. And one of them was Dog.
And Shale was a lady too, that's 4.
And Shale was a lady too, that's 4.
No, it used to be a lady.
A golem has no gender.
No, it used to be a lady.
A golem has no gender.
Well it doesn't have genitals but Shale was a she in spirit.
Six men in DAO? I only count five. And one of them was Dog.
Sten
Oghren
Alistair
Zevran
(Dog)
Loghain
Six, if counting dog.
Then surely your hero will indeed be a strong lady, identical in most ways to the male version. The companions are Leia's but the Inquisitor is a Luke, and fortunately (as Bioware has shown with FemShep and LadyHawk), we can expect the Inquisitor to be a hero who happens to be a woman and not a caricature.
That was a well-explained post but I'm curious, why weren't you allowed to play with Legos if your parents were super feminists?
Well it doesn't have genitals but Shale was a she in spirit.
What does 'she in spirit' even mean?
I said this is another thread, but I'll toss it in here.
The "sit down and be grateful" approach by some of the posters has gotten stale. At least I know those few are not a reflection on how BioWare feels. BW is going to make a few missteps along the way, but they know that telling the LGBTQ community (or women, or minorities) to just "stay quiet and be thankful" is wrong. The company is actively working hard to give the most representation as possible while giving the best game experience they can. We know this, and most of us have been more puzzled than angry over some of these decisions.We also know that the DA team and BioWare as a whole cares a lot about this. That being said, we have the same privilege as anyone else does to express sadness and concern over the handling of some of the content.Directly this topic: Why are women a little sad in this case? Having a myriad of different NPCs that we interact with here and there (some more than others) is not the same as having 4 women among the companions. Part of my concern is, for the most part it isn't the major NPCs that the average consumer is going to see plastered all over the magazines, ads and other media. Other than a glimpse of previous companions in the ads ("oh look, it's Morrigan!) they'll see the same makeup that was in vanilla Origins: 6 men, 3 women as your party members.It seems like that having most of the direct female representation coming from several NPCs feels like a disservice. I still find it odd that someone would be confused that anyone might want another lady to travel with and journey with frequently. Not someone that's gated only by event and/or a temporary companion and/or a quest giver.With that being said, please don't mistake my tone. All of my previous statements about the company still apply and frankly, the fact that higher ranking members of the DA team come out to talk to us feels like they are listening to us. Even when they don't agree.
i never meant this thread to turn into what it has become. In order to stop it i might have to reveal my true identity
What does 'she in spirit' even mean?
It means she was a woman at heart and soul, regardless of the body she had. Comparable to a transgendered person, but not born that way.
If the dog counts as a male, Shale counts as a female. I say neither of them really counts toward that ratio.
When can asexual people get represented in this whole debate? Bioware isn't including a plutonic, romantic without sex relationship in the game, and haven't done so in any previous title except mass effect 2.
Guess its another group bioware just doesn't care about.
When can asexual people get represented in this whole debate? Bioware isn't including a plutonic, romantic without sex relationship in the game, and haven't done so in any previous title except mass effect 2.
Guess its another group bioware just doesn't care about.
Sebastian in DA2. No sex there.
It means she was a woman at heart and soul, regardless of the body she had. Comparable to a transgendered person, but not born that way.
Was she?
She seemed only bemused at the idea of having had a gender, not associating with it.
When can asexual people get represented in this whole debate? Bioware isn't including a plutonic, romantic without sex relationship in the game, and haven't done so in any previous title except mass effect 2.
Guess its another group bioware just doesn't care about.
Good point, although when in Mass Effect 2 could you have a non-sexual romantic relationship?
Sebastian in DA2. No sex there.
>Counting sebastian in anything.
Might as well have told me to romance arl howe.
Good point, although when in Mass Effect 2 could you have a non-sexual romantic relationship?
Even if the basis was flawed and we required *shudders* flirts to get the romance going, it was nice to have one with a good character that didn't involve doing the dirty deed.
If the dog counts as a male, Shale counts as a female. I say neither of them really counts toward that ratio.
Right, so you take two off each and the ratio is 5:3, which is still not thrilling.
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