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[CronoDragoon]

But that is not going with the flow, that is trying to balance things lol

 

Yes, they balance the romances, because they want to be inclusive to people with different sexual orientations.

[In Exile]

He said that since there was a lot of females in power the necessity of having more female on the party was not that great. Since when that happen before in any game? Never. Most of the games have a lot of males on power but that was never the reason to have less males.

Like I said creative reasons I understand, they chose to do it because they find the male companions more compelling, the rest no. 

 

Are you talking about what I said, or what DG said? Because, again, it seems like DG is saying that Bioware is commitment to diversity and will aim to achieve that, but past a certain threshold were they feel comfortable that the game lives up to the liberal social values that the company embodies they'll just use other purely creative considerations to decide NPC gender. 

 

In either case, I think that there's a very legitimate argument when talking about any sort of representation whether there are special rules that should apply to, for example, party NPCs vs. general NPCs, or to the protagonist himself/herself, etc. 

[Mihura]

You need to sit down and eat some tater chips man, you're hallogenating.

 

Actually saying that makes you look bad because your are resorting the emotional arguments, instead of addressing the argument. I already accept it, it is a creative decision but does not mean I have to like it. 

[Zehealingman]

I believe that we should give Leliana and Scribe Girl more credit. After all, Cullen appears to be an advisor and he is a comfirmed LI, that means that there will probally be quite some dialog.

[n7stormrunner]

ok I'm impressed, it took longer hen I though it would for a thread like this to pop up, and it's more civil then I thought it would be.

[CronoDragoon]

Also, no spaces between words after a hashtag. Twitter lesson ended.

[A.Kazama]

If you really want a Qunari Female in the party just make one... Probs what I'm gonna do in a 2nd play through.

[David Gaider]

Are you talking about what I said, or what DG said? Because, again, it seems like DG is saying that Bioware is commitment to diversity and will aim to achieve that, but past a certain threshold were they feel comfortable that the game lives up to the liberal social values that the company embodies they'll just use other purely creative considerations to decide NPC gender. 

 

In either case, I think that there's a very legitimate argument when talking about any sort of representation whether there are special rules that should apply to, for example, party NPCs vs. general NPCs, or to the protagonist himself/herself, etc. 

 

Indeed. When it comes to something like gender diversity, we're looking across the breadth of the game as a whole--with minor characters as well as major ones. A discussion comes up, and at that point we'll need to assess if it's something that requires special intervention.

 

Like you say, an argument could be made that party members require different rules separate from "the cast as a whole", and that's fair. We have a lot of things to balance, and I have little doubt many fans will disagree on what priority they should individually take. If someone wants to suggest the reasoning behind the numbers is misogynistic, however, I'd look at our treatment of female characters in Dragon Age overall and say I don't really see that bearing up. Perhaps you disagree, and so be it if so, but I'm hopeful the game will speak for itself.

[GithCheater]

Just remove Varric, Iron Bull, and Solas from the game to give perfect 3/3 M/F split?  It is as easy as adding a toggle.

 

Uh, but that would damage racial diversity with only one female elf companion with 5 humans?

 

Political correctness is so confusing.

[Maria Caliban]

Because wanting to see a mix of male and female characters is akin to wanting elves.

[Mes]

 

Political correctness is so confusing.

 

People use the term "political correctness" as if it's a bad thing....

[Vandicus]

People use the term "political correctness" as if it's a bad thing....

Its because some people(actually not anybody that I'm particularly aware of on this forums) get really preachy about having to avoid offending people while a person talks. It can get annoying. Much like how overly pushy preachers can be annoying.

[Eveangaline]

Holy jesus **** let me make horns like that on my inquisitor

[AresKeith]

 

Is this real?

[Lebanese Dude]

Hey...

 

I expected BioWare to deliver a more even split across companions, but this is hardly an issue that we need to berate them for.

 

If you want to call them out on the companions, that's fine. But let's not sit here and pretend that women are getting the short end of the stick, when clearly a LOT of the major leadership in the game resides in their hands. Isn't that more important than followers when it comes to "political correctness"?

 

Given that the split is actually 7:5, counting major staff, it's less of an issue than you are making it out to be. Leliana and Scribe Girl are just as important to the inquisition as those in charge of killing **** with you.

 

Again, I would have preferred more female companions, but many of you here are overreacting and need to sit down.

[Vandicus]

Hey...

 

I expected BioWare to deliver a more even split across companions, but this is hardly an issue that we need to berate them for.

 

I think any less than even splits would typically be a result of how they do the writing process.

 

Namely, they'd begin with character concepts they'd like to do, rather then beginning with the racial/sexual/gender identities they would like to have represented. I'm guessing about this though.

[Goku beats superman]

If you really want a Qunari Female in the party just make one... Probs what I'm gonna do in a 2nd play through.

how in the world is that the same. It only make sense to have a qunari female companion. BECAUSE(LIKE I SAID EARLIER) this is the firsr time we see them in a game. Why would bio just give us another qunari male when people have been asking about the qunari female since DA:O. SO it does not make much sense to just g with "make your own character" you cant talk or romance yourself(please no jokes)  the have gave us mostly humans. iron bull is fine but a qunari female trumps because its something completely  new.

[Goku beats superman]

Just remove Varric, Iron Bull, and Solas from the game to give perfect 3/3 M/F split?  It is as easy as adding a toggle.

 

Uh, but that would damage racial diversity with only one female elf companion with 5 humans?

 

Political correctness is so confusing.

omg thank you!!! i was trying to be nice about IT. political correctness, thats the real problem here. you cant say anything without fear of offending some1. you gotta be specific about every little thing. You gotta please the feminist, you gotta please the gays, you gotta please the straight people who are trying to hard to be political correct. Jesus its like what happened to freedom of speech.  So ima just go ahead and say it. I THINK FOR DAI WE SHOULD HAVE A BEAUTIFUL  CURVY FEMALE QUNARI WITH A STRONG BUT NON-ANNOYING PERSONALITY. Ok so feminist im ready for a 18 paragraph long easy about how much of a pig i am and how women should not HAVE TO BE SEXY IN GAMES. I  also think that it was not necessary to have only three females and tell us the some of them will not be straight meaning that straight guys will only have 2 females to choose from. THERE I SAID IT!!!

[Nefla]

how in the world is that the same. It only make sense to have a qunari female companion. BECAUSE(LIKE I SAID EARLIER) this is the firsr time we see them in a game. Why would bio just give us another qunari male when people have been asking about the qunari female since DA:O. SO it does not make much sense to just g with "make your own character" you cant talk or romance yourself(please no jokes)  the have gave us mostly humans. iron bull is fine but a qunari female trumps because its something completely  new.

If all you want is a "hot Qunari female" to oogle then making your own is the perfect solution. It's not like it would have actually been you having sex with a female Qunari LI.

[Goku beats superman]

Hey...

 

I expected BioWare to deliver a more even split across companions, but this is hardly an issue that we need to berate them for.

 

If you want to call them out on the companions, that's fine. But let's not sit here and pretend that women are getting the short end of the stick, when clearly a LOT of the major leadership in the game resides in their hands. Isn't that more important than followers when it comes to "political correctness"?

 

Given that the split is actually 7:5, counting major staff, it's less of an issue than you are making it out to be. Leliana and Scribe Girl are just as important to the inquisition as those in charge of killing **** with you.

 

Again, I would have preferred more female companions, but many of you here are overreacting and need to sit down.

I NEVER really thought that women got the short end of the stick. I actually thing bioware has tried to hard to make the game "fair to women" but that does not mean their has to be a shortage in the number of female companions who you can choose from.

[Goku beats superman]

If all you want is a "hot Qunari female" to oogle then making your own is the perfect solution. It's not like it would have actually been you having sex with a female Qunari LI.

tell how this makes sense to you? not trying to be a smart A, i really want to know how you got here. Im talking about a companion who is her own person and not controlle by me. why would that make sense. If i make a qunari female then she is not a companion sh she is my avatar. But if she is a companion than she would be her own person and not controlled by me get it? Plus thats not all i want. i dont agree with just 3 female's. and no, i do not think females get the short end of the stick in any bioware game. nor do i think women have been treated unfair. the only people on this thread saying that are the hardcore feminist.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

David Gaider, on 23 Apr 2014 - 8:17 PM, said:

 

I'll just jump in and say this:

 

There seems to be quite the laser-like focus on party members. Understandable, perhaps, considering those are the characters with whom you spend a great deal of time...but if we're to talk in terms of representation I'm a bit uncertain why 5:4 would be awesome and 6:3 somehow equates to horribleness on our part. Naturally your mileage will vary, in terms of what you want to see, and I won't tell you what that should be.[/quote]

 

 I never said it was horrible or that you guys were doing a horrible job, only that I was disappointed.  Anyway, why does it matter to me?  It's because of who I travel with and who I'm likely to spend the most time with in the game.  It would nice to have some extra women for once, as friends and not just 3 of each class. It felt like, once again, men were the default.  While I'm sure it wasn't intended that way, I'm wondering why you're so confused that someone might want to have more women as companions, whether as romances or friends.  That they might be feeling a little left out because of the 6:3 gender split. 

 

We. however, approach the equation a little differently. We come up with roughly even numbers in our concepts, even across gender lines, across racial lines as well as across classes. We pick the concepts that we like the most, and while there's always a point where we discuss diversity, there are many points of diversity we have to consider. Class diversity is perhaps highest on the list (in terms of gameplay utility), along with a diversity of viewpoints and how they intersect with the story. Gender diversity is also considered, but when we look at it in terms of representation, we look at it in terms of representation across the entire story—not just in the party.

 

 

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Considering Inquisition takes place in a world where many (if not most) of the world's power players are female (the ruler of Orlais, the head of the Chantry and the Circle of Magi, possibly the ruler of Ferelden and others...not to mention the many characters outside of the party with whom you will also be deeply involved. I can honestly say I don't think we're doing badly on that front, not enough to feel we should switch the gender of a character concept we like to hit an arbitary number in this one group of characters. It sounds like it might be easy to do, but that's never been how character concepts come to be--we're not just flipping switches on a variety of grids until we hit some perfect balance for every desire and then writing interesting stories.

 

 

 

This doesn't sit well with me.  So, you have all these powerful female NPCs, all of which I'm aware of.   However, these aren't going to be my closest friends and allies that travel with me throughout the game.  That's what bothers me about this. Also, I never said that you guys were flipping switches.  I have no idea why you think I came across that way.  I don't think the writing team's job sounds easy to do, and I would never say otherwise.  I I don't think you guys were trying to do any sort of slight against women at all.  I'm not trying to be one of "those" fans, merely trying to express some unhappiness. 

 

If you disagree, and feel we've done poorly even short of seeing the rest of the cast, then so be it. I completely understand.

 

 

 

I cannot determine the "rest of the cast" yet, only the companions.  Those are the characters that I'll be seeing the most.  If you thought I was trying to insult you, the DA Team or BioWare as a whole, then I sincerely apologize.  

[Shadow Fox]

OP sounds very familiar.

 

Must be my imagination. 

[AresKeith]

OP sounds very familiar.

 

Must be my imagination. 

 

...curve?