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[LinksOcarina]

True but why is bioware having panels about social progress and "devs need to do more!", you just cannot do that and than say oh ups it was a creative decision. I agree with creative decisions but than be honest about what you really think it is a priority.

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare saw it as a priority. Hell, we know it is at this point due to those panels and the attitudes presented by the company.

 

Creative decisions always trump social agendas though. In the end you pick the best you have and see what they can create. Equal numbers has little to do with social progress, the flesh on the bones, the characterization of the characters, represents that more. 

[karushna5]

I doubt Bioware did an uneven number of companions without good reason. Some people make it sound like Bioware did it because they're all about male supremacy. Yes I'm a little bummed that a qunari female won't be a companion, but I'm not about to act like a highly disappointed parent.
Besides, splitting the races and gender evenly for companions sounds a bit forced. As if the Inquisitor chose his/her companions knowing that a critic beyond the 4th wall is watching every move he/she makes, constantly reminding him/her about gender equality. The Inquisitor doesn't have hiring quota.
Hey, maybe the females will be strong supporting characters that the uneven split won't even matter. I'm just happy to play the game, even if I'd only have 2 or 3 possible romances, me playing a straight male Inquisitor and all.

I dont think Bioware is about Male Supremacy. In fact they seem very much against it. I am a die hard fan and I love their games. They seem to be trying unlike anyone else. I am not saying they are doing these things on purpose, but I do think it is dissapointing and unfair.

As long as I am being polite I dont see how feeling, yes emotional, but also dissapointed is somehow cruel. I dont think they are big meanies. I dont think they are bad. I am seeing one of the only games that I can play anymore because Bioware games are the Exact game I want to play change in a way that makes me unhappy. I mean people talk at length about The Cave ™ and lack of choices in Da2 because they were dissapointing and made it less of a game for them.

And yes, one of the few games i can befriend my companions which are male and female to have half as many is dissapointing. I am trying to get across why, because goodness be I know critiquing Bioware can be hard because they are The Game Company for me. But a whole lot of love and passion for these games is there too. I adore Bioware. I have spent months following and annoying my friends about every scrap of info because I love it. I get why you think it is unimportant, I think resource management and crafting are unimportant. But to me, this matters.

[Mihura]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare saw it as a priority. Hell, we know it is at this point due to those panels and the attitudes presented by the company.

 

Creative decisions always trump social agendas though. In the end you pick the best you have and see what they can create. Equal numbers has little to do with social progress, the flesh on the bones, the characterization of the characters, represents that more. 

 

I am not even talking about equal numbers but having one more female character that is not human or elf. Numbers have everything to do with social progress in games that is why you had in pass games a more equal number of romances. If they think that having almost all companions being white male and straight a good idea would people accept it? I do not think so, that is why there is concerns about the romances now. And gender is not different as well as having the F!inquistor on the marketing. 

[PSUHammer]

Because people think they know what they are talking about.

 

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Excellent analysis.  Articulated exactly what I feel about this issue.

[Rawgrim]

I think one of the most popular female characters in the whole series is Sigrun. Also the only non elf\human follower. I can`t think of having ever heard someone say they hated Sigrun, to be honest.

[LinksOcarina]

I think one of the most popular female characters in the whole series is Sigrun. Also the only non elf\human follower. I can`t think of having ever heard someone say they hated Sigrun, to be honest.

To be honest I thought she had too simple of a characterization when I played Awakening. Although she was a lot better than Velanna and Justice from what I remember. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I felt like they could do more with her. 

 

Aveline and Morrigan are still perhaps the best female characters BioWare has written for the series, and that is mostly due to how their characters grow and show depth through actions and words.

[Rawgrim]

To be honest I thought she had to simple of a characterization when I played Awakening. Although she was a lot better than Velanna and Justice from what I remember. 

 

Everyone were abit "simple" in that expansion. But I am sure you didn`t outright hate her.

[LinksOcarina]

Everyone were abit "simple" in that expansion. But I am sure you didn`t outright hate her.

No I did not. 

[Rawgrim]

So the only non elf\human female in the series, is pretty much the only follower nobody hates. Something for Bioware to think about.

[llandwynwyn]

They should've replaced Cole for Evangeline, if they wanted someone from Asunder.

 

We had blond abominations before, never a real Templar for more than a few dlc quests. 

[The Elder King]

They should've replaced Cole for Evangeline, if they wanted someone from Asunder.
 
We had blond abominations before, never a real Templar for more than a few dlc quests. 

Technically Evangeline might be consider an abomination as well.

[Rawgrim]

The fact that we are getting more male followers than female ones, doesn`t bother me one bit. As long as the characters are well written, wich I am quite sure they are, I`m happy.

[Cainhurst Crow]

True but why is bioware having panels about social progress and "devs need to do more!", you just cannot do that and than say oh ups it was a creative decision. I agree with creative decisions but than be honest about what you really think it is a priority.

Yes they can do thst because yes they are doing more. People keep saying bioware is the only one who does things for the lgbt and women community in their games, that they are doing more then almost every other company out there, right? Well maybe if that's thr case, people shouldn't be metaphorically stabbing bioware in the back by trying to crucify them for a game thst hasn't even come out yet that uses a system for characters they haven't even played yet? Beyond thst, saying other developers need to do more, Nd they themselves doing more, dont conflict with one another. And more to the point you dont even know if this system will be better then DA2's, your just assuming it would be based on arbitrary numbers.

[Rawgrim]

Technically Evangeline might be consider an abomination as well.

 

That is quite true.

[PSUHammer]

I don't think there was a forum like this back when BG came out. I can't remember if I even had an internet connection back then. I know I had one when NWN came out but I doubt many people had one back in the BG days.

 

There was a forum when BG came out.  But people on there were more concerned about the implementation of D&D rules and statistics and it was, indeed, a smaller online community.

 

Regarding Bioware games, it is interesting when these topics come up as Bioware has been more diverse than any other AAA developer I can think of.  In fact, it is almost to a point of immersion breaking and distracting.  I played through as a Female Hawke and loved it.  I also played Femshep and loved that.  A story can be enjoyable even if the main party isn't a rainbow of race/gender/sexuality.

 

If the next game was an all Qunari party...who wouldn't love that??!  I don't think you would see too many people screaming about representation and how their immersion is broken.  What matters is if the story is entertaining.

[wright1978]

I do find it a bit odd that they've opted for such an uneven split. I'll have to assume story reasons justify it. As for fem qunari once Iron Bull came to light i was very unsurprised that there wouldn't be another Qunari.

[SoulRebel_1979]

Sometimes I shake my head at the minutia this forum gets bogged down into.  At some point, instead of bickering about character counts and representation, can't we just enjoy the game and story?

 

I don't recall these types of conversations happening with Baldur's Gate, although I could be wrong...

 

Everyone wants to have their own personal forum crusade. Lots of first world problems. 

[javeart]

It such a relief that there's always some nice guy (or two, or three) to remind us that our worries are silly and to bring us memories of the good old days when people didn't go around counting how many men or how many women were in a game, or praising a neutral gender cover and other petty things like these... what would we do without them? I'm afraid we'd might never simply enjoy agame were not for them       

[Rawgrim]

The game takes place in Orlais, though. Not many reasons for alot of Qunari to be in that area.

[javeart]

Everyone wants to have their own personal forum crusade. Lots of first world problems. 

oh, yes, sexism, that first world problem...

[Cainhurst Crow]

There was a forum when BG came out.  But people on there were more concerned about the implementation of D&D rules and statistics and it was, indeed, a smaller online community.

 

Regarding Bioware games, it is interesting when these topics come up as Bioware has been more diverse than any other AAA developer I can think of.  In fact, it is almost to a point of immersion breaking and distracting.  I played through as a Female Hawke and loved it.  I also played Femshep and loved that.  A story can be enjoyable even if the main party isn't a rainbow of race/gender/sexuality.

 

If the next game was an all Qunari party...who wouldn't love that??!  I don't think you would see too many people screaming about representation and how their immersion is broken.  What matters is if the story is entertaining.

 

Oh I can see it now.

 

"Why can't we get a tevinter transgender magister instead?"

"Why don't we have a female bisexual warrior from nevarra?"

"Why doesn't bioware care about the pansexual community?"

"Bioware is racist cause they don't have asian kossith!" 

[Mihura]

Yes they can do thst because yes they are doing more. People keep saying bioware is the only one who does things for the lgbt and women community in their games, that they are doing more then almost every other company out there, right? Well maybe if that's thr case, people shouldn't be metaphorically stabbing bioware in the back by trying to crucify them for a game thst hasn't even come out yet that uses a system for characters they haven't even played yet? Beyond thst, saying other developers need to do more, Nd they themselves doing more, dont conflict with one another. And more to the point you dont even know if this system will be better then DA2's, your just assuming it would be based on arbitrary numbers.

 

No there are not, Obsidion does, Telltale does, Harebrained Schemes does and Arenanet does a lot more than they did with all their games. So not there are not the only ones nor are they the more progressive. I am done with this topic, if they want to go with this route I am gonna to respect that but I have the right not be that interested in the game.

[Cainhurst Crow]

oh, yes, sexism, that first world problem...

 
When you can actually show non-circumstantial evidence with this game, be a dear and let us know, Kay?

[javeart]

When you can actually show non-circumstantial evidence with this game, be a dear and let us know, Kay?

 

oh, I will once I played if I happened to find find any, don't you worry   besides, is one thing to disagree about whether the game is or not sexist, and another to say that that concern is a "first world problem"

[llandwynwyn]

Technically Evangeline might be consider an abomination as well.

 

Yeah, a templar abomination.