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Alistair Epilogue problem (Spoiler)

Débuté par ArmistanBanes , avril 24 2014 01:03

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ArmistanBanes
Posté 24 avril 2014 - 01:03

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* If Alistair was not made king, Morrigan's ritual was performed, and Loghain was executed at the Landsmeet, Alistair will be absent from the coronation if he was not part of the final party that faced the Archdemon.

 

* If the Hero states that the sacrifices of the Wardens should not be forgotten again, a statue will be erected in the Wardens' honor.  If Anora is the ruler and Morrigan's ritual was performed, this choice causes Anora to speak of Alistair as if he were dead.

 

I knew nothing about that, and I did exactly all of this.... then Alistair it's not in the epilogue now. Makes me angry because I don't have any save before choose who defends the gates, can't go back with 70 hour of game, level 23.... and all explore.

 

Anyway, this may affect to Awakening or DA II . Codex entry says nothing about his "death". 

 

Thank you.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 01:16

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The game has several auto saves if you haven't changed it to turn them off. From the city gates, it's not that long to fight. I'm not sure what point you want to go back to but if you choose load you should see auto saves. I think it does them before certain parts of the game but not all. Anywhere that there is a boss will trigger an auto save IIRC. And there are some through the final battle. But there might be ones before then. Where was the last part you played before where you want to start? Just look at the load option and you should see some auto saves. I know there are some. Also, if you are on PC, hitting F5 will do a 'quick save' for you as well.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 01:43

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The game has several auto saves if you haven't changed it to turn them off. From the city gates, it's not that long to fight. I'm not sure what point you want to go back to but if you choose load you should see auto saves. I think it does them before certain parts of the game but not all. Anywhere that there is a boss will trigger an auto save IIRC. And there are some through the final battle. But there might be ones before then. Where was the last part you played before where you want to start? Just look at the load option and you should see some auto saves. I know there are some. Also, if you are on PC, hitting F5 will do a 'quick save' for you as well.

 

Yep, I know. But! the first (1) and last optimal save was before enter Fort Drakon, no more. ;(  Autosaves (2), (3) and (4) after that.

 

I'm only want to know if Alistair don't appears and Anora think he's dead if that affects you on the next games. I think there is no way to fix the save. A little unfair, it's like you can't choose whatever option you want.

 

Thank you!!


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 03:06

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If I remember correctly the plot flags are set correctly despite the bugs. Regardless, it shouldn't have any visible effect in Awakening and DA2, since you are not going to see Alistair anyway, given the choices you've mentioned.
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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 05:50

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The game has several auto saves if you haven't changed it to turn them off.

 

Auto saves seem to get deleted as soon as you hit the next auto save point. I learned the hard way that you have to make named saves if you may want to go back to a certain point later, like for making a fork or for experimentation. Sometimes it is possible to load an auto save and make a named save for posterity, but not always. It seems the auto saves were only intended to help players get past tricky encounters by way of die-and-reload.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 06:01

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Auto saves seem to get deleted as soon as you hit the next auto save point. I learned the hard way that you have to make named saves if you may want to go back to a certain point later, like for making a fork or for experimentation. Sometimes it is possible to load an auto save and make a named save for posterity, but not always. It seems the auto saves were only intended to help players get past tricky encounters by way of die-and-reload.

 

I have a whole list of autosaves in my game. Quick saves I think don't stay but the autosaves do. I almost never save through my games and have gone back to find autosaves listed by numbers. But the quicksaves don't which is crappy game design.


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ArmistanBanes
Posté 24 avril 2014 - 08:47

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If I remember correctly the plot flags are set correctly despite the bugs. Regardless, it shouldn't have any visible effect in Awakening and DA2, since you are not going to see Alistair anyway, given the choices you've mentioned.

 

Thank you Blazomancer. It's good to know it. I need to see more about plot flags and my choices.

 

Thanks starlitegirlx and DarthGizka too!!

 

Awakening time then ^^


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 10:41

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More bugs..... And no, I'm don't have any mods installed. :D

 

Alistair still miss, at least no one speaks about him like a dead man.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 11:09

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If I remember correctly the plot flags are set correctly despite the bugs. Regardless, it shouldn't have any visible effect in Awakening and DA2, since you are not going to see Alistair anyway, given the choices you've mentioned.

 

Alistair has a cameo as a Grey Warden in DA2 (which, IMO, is better than his cameo as king).

 

I'm not entirely certain, but the flag for him being alive and a Grey Warden *should* still be set despite Anora's bug of assuming he's dead.  There are a number of bugs for Grey Warden Alistair (mainly dealing with him talking as though he's king) that don't actually change the flags for an import.

 

And, LOL at that picture of Shale melting :P


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 11:22

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^Right, forgot about that. Sorry.
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ArmistanBanes
Posté 24 avril 2014 - 12:27

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Thanks Kalalala and don't worry Blazomancer, it's ok!!

 

When it comes that scene in DA2 (I hope) I will let you know !! Now Awakening time


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 02:15

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I have had that Shale "bug" before. As far as the rest goes, I use Alistair- IRS that includes the bug fixes.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 02:38

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More bugs..... And no, I'm don't have any mods installed. :D

 

Alistair still miss, at least no one speaks about him like a dead man.

 

I had this one happen once. I had to leave the game (shutdown) right at the ending where Alistair was talking to me. When I restarted the game Shale looked like this. It only happened once.


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ArmistanBanes
Posté 24 avril 2014 - 03:12

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Great, now I had problems with origin cloud and 100mb max capacity.... two savegames and four autosaves automatically deleted....

 

Better disable cloud storage on this game don't you think? Works bad :(


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 06:13

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More bugs..... And no, I'm don't have any mods installed. :D

 

Alistair still miss, at least no one speaks about him like a dead man.

 

The problem is that while in theory all these outcomes are good, I think if... then variable are just tricky or maybe devs miss things - having to go back and forth to set things with all these If .... then codes is easy to screw up. You would think they should get it right but if there are too many it is easy to miss it or easy to write code so that it is not recognzied correctly. If... then variables are sometimes a pain in coding as well because they don't always work. Too many of them and certain ones can conflict and I'm fairly sure all of these choices are coded as If... then

 

I remember a project I did with a team in college that had a lot of if.... then variables in it. We had to elimate some because they just didn't seem to always work right and we could never figure out why. Some would trigger while others wouldn't. Individually they would work but as you added more of them, for some reason, some would not get recognized likely due to conflicts we didn't see as conflicting but when it ran, they did.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 06:20

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Alistair has a cameo as a Grey Warden in DA2 (which, IMO, is better than his cameo as king).

 

I'm not entirely certain, but the flag for him being alive and a Grey Warden *should* still be set despite Anora's bug of assuming he's dead.  There are a number of bugs for Grey Warden Alistair (mainly dealing with him talking as though he's king) that don't actually change the flags for an import.

 

And, LOL at that picture of Shale melting :P

 

I much prefer his cameo as grey warden in DA2 especially if you romanced him and both are alive. It's much sweeter and he seems happier.


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Posté 24 avril 2014 - 09:45

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And I think he would be...


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Posté 25 avril 2014 - 04:01

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I much prefer his cameo as grey warden in DA2 especially if you romanced him and both are alive. It's much sweeter and he seems happier.

 

Agreed.  Alistair acts more like his old self too.  It's a cameo but it doesn't feel as forced, IMO.


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Posté 25 avril 2014 - 11:37

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Agreed.  Alistair acts more like his old self too.  It's a cameo but it doesn't feel as forced, IMO.

 

I think that's also why I never feel as fond of seeing him as a lover or husband in Awakening. He's kind of stiff. Becoming King, hardening him makes him less fun. He was always conservative with public displays of affection yet in the slides they say how people loved seeing he adored his wife. But he comes off just barely adoring. Sweet and all, but a bit stiff. No more king for him. Of course I'm back to having fun as a mage but if I ever do the rogue again soon and as a human noble I think I'll just play that the character is thrilled to get away from the noble nonsense as it's why her family got murdered and clearly has a seedy underbelly. The royal wedding looks nice if you have that mod, but it doesn't feel as nice to me for some reason. Feels like you are pushing him toward being king and it's not what he really wants but he'll do it. Yes, it's better than dying in a pit of darkspawn according to his fade dream but his ideal is to be cared for and loved. Give him that and the rest is what he can do. He's fine being a warrior. That's his thing. He actually loved the templar training because of that.


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Posté 25 avril 2014 - 01:08

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IIRC, Alistair's not turning up at the coronation is tied directly to him a) remaining a Grey Warden, and B) being left to guard the gate in Denerim. So if you want him to appear, you need to go back far enough to ensure either of these things is different.

 

But I'm pretty sure Blazomancer is right about it not affecting the plot flags, so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

I'm also on board with Grey Warden Alistair. That's how he ends in my canon and it's not about to change anytime soon. Plus he has a hilarious line in his DA2 cameo if he romanced a living Warden in Origins. When he gives Hawke a pendant: "It belongs to the love of my life, but she seems to find stuff like this wherever she goes. "  :lol:


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Posté 25 avril 2014 - 01:08

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*That should be a b )   not a B)


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Posté 25 avril 2014 - 01:44

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IIRC, Alistair's not turning up at the coronation is tied directly to him a) remaining a Grey Warden, and B) being left to guard the gate in Denerim. So if you want him to appear, you need to go back far enough to ensure either of these things is different.

 

But I'm pretty sure Blazomancer is right about it not affecting the plot flags, so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

I'm also on board with Grey Warden Alistair. That's how he ends in my canon and it's not about to change anytime soon. Plus he has a hilarious line in his DA2 cameo if he romanced a living Warden in Origins. When he gives Hawke a pendant: "It belongs to the love of my life, but she seems to find stuff like this wherever she goes. "  :lol:

 

I love that line. I think it's so Alistair.. a perfect mix of adoration, love, and his own humor.  He really seems happy in that scene. I think that's really where he is best. He's a warrior at heart. He found solace in the templar training and enjoyed it. That's his thing.


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Posté 25 avril 2014 - 02:22

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IIRC, Alistair's not turning up at the coronation is tied directly to him a) remaining a Grey Warden, and B) being left to guard the gate in Denerim. So if you want him to appear, you need to go back far enough to ensure either of these things is different.

 

But I'm pretty sure Blazomancer is right about it not affecting the plot flags, so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

I'm also on board with Grey Warden Alistair. That's how he ends in my canon and it's not about to change anytime soon. Plus he has a hilarious line in his DA2 cameo if he romanced a living Warden in Origins. When he gives Hawke a pendant: "It belongs to the love of my life, but she seems to find stuff like this wherever she goes. "  :lol:

 

Yeah but I want exactly that he remains like a Grey Warden and if that means that he doesn't show his face on the coronation but he appears on DA2 anyway then perfect for me. :P He never like the idea of being a king, and I respect that.

 

Thanks for all the answers ^^


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Posté 26 avril 2014 - 04:06

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Oh my god..... Now I lost all my hero gear in Silverite Mines because a BIG bug... Somebody don't want me to play this game seriously..... And again I don't have any saves BEFORE entes the mines.... holy crap.


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Posté 26 avril 2014 - 04:16

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Oh my god..... Now I lost all my hero gear in Silverite Mines because a BIG bug... Somebody don't want me to play this game seriously..... And again I don't have any saves BEFORE entes the mines.... holy crap.

Well, it's not a bug unless you end up naked-you're supposed to lose all your gear and end up in prison clothes. You have to kill the darkspawn wearing your gear to get it back.


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