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[AlanC9]

Wow. Only on page 3...... how dumb can the thread get?

[Hydromatic]

Also Schmooples is actually the maker.

[spinachdiaper]

Morrigan is actually Flemeth from the past in an alternate timeline, who Flemeth time traveled through the Fade to kidnap and raise as her daughter. Everything is simultaneously happening with an infinite amount of variations in an infinite amount of alternate realities, and they're also crossing over to each other. The game ends with the realization that your LI is actually your daughter/son from a different timeline, you fight and kill the big bad that's actually alt-universe Inquisitor, effectively killing yourself. Alt-universe Flemeth (who is male) is actually the Yellow King and delivers a cardboard box with your significant other's head in it. Thedas was actually Earth all along and Morrigan was always dead. Time is a flat circle.

 

Makes. Perfect. Sense.

I already thought that Bioware would make a Morrigan is Flemeth, Flemeth is Morrigan statement but without the idiocy of Alternate Dimensions or Time Travel, just that she is a all powerful being that exists in many forms and likes to screw with people's heads

[IAMTHEOVERLORD]

By the power of Grayskull! I can feel my brain cells shriveling just reading this. Morrigan becoming pregnant with the OGB was OPTIONAL the child was MALE and would be TEN at this point.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I sort of wish BioWare would make a 'the Inquisitor is not the OGB' statement, but somehow I doubt it would cut down on threads like this. If people still believe it in the face of so much evidence to the contrary, well, I don't think anything is going to help.

[IAMTHEOVERLORD]

True. A friend of mine is still convinced Duncan is alive. I'm pretty sure at this point he just says it to irritate me and doesn't really believe it anymore but still.

[Spectre slayer]

Sigh yet another ogb is the inquisitor thread huh, nope, the ogb only exists if you did the ritual and he can only be male.

David Gaider

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame

David Gaider

I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from.

Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused.

There is no Old God Baby.

David Gaider

The problem here is that people have a strange idea of what "canon" means-- almost a paranoia, really.
We have a default canon, which applies if you import nothing.

So if someone comes to DAI with no import of previous games, they get a certain set of previous decisions being presumed-- and those tend to be ones that don't promise future content.

The Warden of DAO is dead, because why would someone who's importing no save (and is possibly a brand new player) care about their Warden still being alive and involved in the plot?

There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?

As for things which don't involve future content, like the sex and race of the Warden, yes-- those we just decided on at some point.

So the default Warden who died was a female Dalish elf.

A default should not concern you in the slightest, however, if you intend on importing-- which I assume everyone who's hanging around on these forums a year before release likely is.

How we'll do that importing is the subject of a future reveal, it's true, but I'm uncertain why a fan would be concerned about the default settings of a version of the story they'll never use.

And if your version of the definition of canon is "it overrides my previous story", then rest assured that will not happen.

The story may not go exactly as you want/expect (as in Leliana being alive, if you killed her in DAO), but that's not the same as those previous actions being treated as if they never happened at all.

If we ever decide to move Dragon Age over to one canonical story in-between games, I'm almost positive we would give lots of advance notice to allow fans time to rend garments, burn effigies, and send cupcakes.

Until that point, just wait for news on the import feature.

David Gaider

If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.

David Gaider
Depends on the timeline-- as of the end of DA2, Morrigan's child would be, what? 8 years old? He also might not exist.

Those are pretty dicey qualifications for a main character.

David Gaider

Loose plot threads do not constitute an entire story, short of those people who feel their personal plot thread of "I had a child with Morrigan" or "I'm ruling Ferelden at Alistair's side" should be the basis for an entire game, regardless of whatever anyone else did

There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that."

Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that.

So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet.

It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations

David Gaider

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see

David Gaider
"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental.

So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely.

That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote".

http://social.biowar...ndex/16842817/4

Everything you said has been refuted time and time again, him being completely optional, gender locked, player choice, the fact there's 3 possibilities no child, normal child, ogb, the fact we can play as a dwarf, qunari, and elf makes this even more impossible. Not to mention the inquisitor is in between 21-39 years old and has their own backstories welll before the child was even born, the ogb is only 10-13 years old and grows at a normal rate.

Even the youngest possible inquisitor has 8-10 years on the ogb, the oldest is 26-29 years older than the ogb, the timeline itself makes it impossible aswell, please just drop it, and the inquisitor doesn't have dragon power it's a representation of the series that's all.

[spinachdiaper]

True. A friend of mine is still convinced Duncan is alive. I'm pretty sure at this point he just says it to irritate me and doesn't really believe it anymore but still.

Heck it could be Duncan's Spirt coming from the Fade taking form in the Inquisitor's body

[IAMTHEOVERLORD]

Specter you sir...are a saint!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@ Mercury Elf, the darkspawn can produce children.   They turn any female from any race into broodmothers and mate with them. 

No, the Darkspawn are asexual. The Broodmothers do not mate with the Darkspawn but simply pump them like akin to how insect queens do.

[Andraste_Reborn]

No, the Darkspawn are asexual. The Broodmothers do not mate with the Darkspawn but simply pump them like akin to how insect queens do.

 

That's ambiguous - Hespith says that the process of becoming a Broodmother involves being 'violated' which could easily mean raped. Or maybe it doesn't. We don't actually know for sure.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's ambiguous - Hespith says that the process of becoming a Broodmother involves being 'violated' which could easily mean raped. Or maybe it doesn't. We don't actually know for sure.

I'm ignoring the conversion process, since as you said there is no evidence that rape is involved or not since the poem can be taken different ways.

I'm saying that once converted, a broodmother does not need to have sex with Darkspawn to reproduce but reproduces asexually.

[Little Princess Peach]

Some here will argue that it's not possible but this theory has a couple points:

 

1. Box art clearly shows a Dragon soul coming out of the Main Character

2. Morrigan isn't a party member or love interest- why she's the Main Character's mother

 

Disputable point- counter point

 

1.The natural age of Morrigan's Child- but since the Old God's soul is a tremendous power why couldn't it change the host's age, gender and/or race when awakened

the warden was not a Qunari aand we can pick this race as the main pc so morrigan can not be the pc#s mother

[spinachdiaper]

Sigh yet another ogb is the inquisitor thread huh, nope, the ogb only exists if you did the ritual and he can only be male.




David Gaider

If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.

David Gaider
Depends on the timeline-- as of the end of DA2, Morrigan's child would be, what? 8 years old? He also might not exist.

Those are pretty dicey qualifications for a main character.

David Gaider

Loose plot threads do not constitute an entire story, short of those people who feel their personal plot thread of "I had a child with Morrigan" or "I'm ruling Ferelden at Alistair's side" should be the basis for an entire game, regardless of whatever anyone else did

There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that."

Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that.

So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet.

It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations

David Gaider

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see

David Gaider
"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental.

So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely.

That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote". 

http://social.biowar...ndex/16842817/4

Everything you said has been refuted time and time again, him being completely optional, gender locked, player choice, the fact there's 3 possibilities no child, normal child, ogb, the fact we can play as a dwarf, qunari, and elf makes this even more impossible. Not to mention the inquisitor is in between 21-39 years old and has their own backstories welll before the child was even born, the ogb is only 10-13 years old and grows at a normal rate.

Even the youngestpossible inquisitor has 8-10 years older than the ogb, the oldest is 26-29 years older than the ogb, the timeline itself makes it impossible aswell, please just drop it, and the inquisitor doesn't have dragon power it's a representation of the series that's all.

I take everything Bioware says about a game and it's lore with a grain of salt after DA2 and ME3, i'm not going to dig up the quotes but they have had contradictory statements to how the ME3 ending wasn't going to be a choice of ABC and look how that ultimately transpired

 

It's looking indisputable that the Inquisitor has some power that isn't normal and just being the Inquisitor isn't just a title and potion

[Hanako Ikezawa]

in a game series with Dragons in abundance it's more than a little suspicious that they use a energy that emanates out of the main character and looks like a dragon they rather than having random dragon in the background

Not really. They didn't use actual dragons on the cover of Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'm ignoring the conversion process, since as you said there is no evidence that rape is involved or not since the poem can be taken different ways.

I'm saying that once converted, a broodmother does not need to have sex with Darkspawn to reproduce but reproduces asexually.

 

Oh, right, sorry! Yes, she does it on her own. If there even is sex involved, she's like a bee or an ant and can reproduce for the rest of her lifespan with no further, uh, input.

[spinachdiaper]

Not really. They didn't use actual dragons on the cover of Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2.

I do prefer the blood red dragon outline in DA:O over the DA2 and DAI covers, but it still looks like a magic or power coming out of the Inquisitor's hand

[Setiweb]

I'm just going to vote "present" and hit the Eject button.

[Mister Gusty]

 

I do prefer the blood red dragon outline in DA:O over the DA2 and DAI covers, but it still looks like a magic or power coming out of the Inquisitor's hand

 

It is a type of power/magic, it has been stated in one of the recent interviews that when the veil tear originally happens and the inquisitor is left as the soul survivor, the Inquisitor gets a brand/mark on his/her hand that gives them the power to close the veil tears. That is the energy shooting out of his/her hand on the cover art that you posted earlier.

[spinachdiaper]

 

 

 

It is a type of power/magic, it has been stated in one of the recent interviews that when the veil tear originally happens and the inquisitor is left as the soul survivor, the Inquisitor gets a brand/mark on his/her hand that gives them the power to close the veil tears. That is the energy shooting out of his/her hand on the cover art that you posted earlier.

 

that's likely the non OGB version

[AlanC9]

I take everything Bioware says about a game and it's lore with a grain of salt after DA2 and ME3, i'm not going to dig up the quotes but they have had contradictory statements to how the ME3 ending wasn't going to be a choice of ABC and look how that ultimately transpired

It's looking indisputable that the Inquisitor has some power that isn't normal and just being the Inquisitor isn't just a title and potion

My god--- this really is IT all over again.

[cronshaw]

Dragon souls?

what is this Skyrim

0/10 OP

[dlux]

I'm ignoring the conversion process, since as you said there is no evidence that rape is involved or not since the poem can be taken different ways.

I'm saying that once converted, a broodmother does not need to have sex with Darkspawn to reproduce but reproduces asexually.

Can't have a good game without any Darkspawn lovin'.

 

BioWare should fix this ASAP.

[Spectre slayer]

that's likely the non OGB version

There is no ogb version, the mark and green power is something every single inquisitor has and will get the same way everytime, and in no way does it look like a dragon.

What you're seeing on the cover and missing is only part of the hidden dragon image that you aren't seeing.



This is the negative version that shows the whole dragon instead of the head and outline that you aren't seeing.



This is what the inquisitors power actually looks like, there is no dragon head, it's just a stream of energy that flows from our hand that closes the rifts that we can use due to the mark we get from getting thrown into the fade and surviving the explosion.

[Steppenwolf]

OP is obviously trolling. Stop indulging him.

That's ambiguous - Hespith says that the process of becoming a Broodmother involves being 'violated' which could easily mean raped. Or maybe it doesn't. We don't actually know for sure.

I'm pretty sure the women the Darkspawn capture are fed Darkspawn flesh until they become Broodmothers. That's what that creepy monologue in the Deep Roads suggested anyhow...