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[Heimdall]

I'm talking about their viewpoints, not just their affiliations. A hard-liner is someone like Lambert, Meredith, Alrik, Petrice. All these ones you mentioned seem like they would at least be open to compromise (except Vivienne since we don't really know anything about her personality, but she is a mage, so I doubt she would be hard-line in that sense...)

Vivienne sounds like she's pretty self centered. Not an ideologue at any rate, unlike Meredith, Lambert and Petrice (Alrik was more of a sociopath taking advantage of the system to exercise his cruelty I thought)

[LobselVith8]

Your organization is called Inquisition, I think that is a clue. During the game you probably going to have some room to side with this or that faction but it does seems to be more connect with the chantry and templars.

This came up months ago. The developers said the player won't be forced to work for the Chantry or believe in the Maker. The developers also said the Inquisition is formed "in opposition" to the Chantry, and that the protagonist isn't a "puppet of the church".

[thedancingdruid]

@Maria Caliban http://social.biowar...ndex/12890819/5

 

DG said "This is the point where I rub my temples and wonder why I even bothered at all.

There was no "proof" of God, and yet in medieval Europe the fact that He existed was beyond question. A given person might hate Him or reject Him, but that does not mean He didn't exist. Sure, there might be exceptional individuals, but it was not a thing.

This is also the case in Thedas. And the idea of getting into a discussion of what Morrigan or the Qunari is irrelevant in the context of how it should impact the player-- which, from the perspective of the writing team, is not at all. It's not one of the possible viewpoints that we offer, though we also don't go out of our way to do the opposite either, and we've no intention of changing that.

And that's where I'm going to leave it. If someone wants to take this as "but this was clearly a theme of the entire story whether you meant it or not and if you are changing that approach even though you just said you weren't then CLEARLY ALL IS LOST"... well, knock yourselves out."

[thedancingdruid]

@Puddikoma Fair enough, agreed. Though, in my defense, I did put hard-line in air quotes to signify varying perceptions.

[Heimdall]

This came up months ago. The developers said the player won't be forced to work for the Chantry or believe in the Maker. The developers also said the Inquisition is formed "in opposition" to the Chantry, and that the protagonist isn't a "puppet of the church".

Wait, did they actually say "in opposition"

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well since the explosion killed "thousands" of people, Dalish or Vashoth Inquisitors may not even be at the Peace conference. Maybe they just happened to be close by.

[thedancingdruid]

@LobselVith8 That is what I remember as well. Hence, why, with all this new info, I'm questioning the validity of that previous info, though I didn't spell it out that way.

[LobselVith8]

Wait, did they actually say "in opposition"

Yes. Laidlaw said (about the Inquisition), "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will." Mark Darrah said, "In the chaos surrounding the beginning of the game, you're reforming the Inquisition, not as part of the church, not a part of the Chantry, you actually stand apart from it, in fact, based on these events, actually in opposition to it."

[Maria Caliban]

@Maria Caliban There was a thread regarding whether one could or could not be an atheist and DG chimed in when someone stated that Morrigan was a good example of an atheist, that while that may indeed be true it doesn't mean the Maker doesn't exist. The PC can choose not to believe in the Maker but the Maker still existed in the DA universe.

I believe you're misreading what David said.

Because of the socio-cultural climate in Thedas, modern atheism doesn't exist. That doesn't mean the Maker is real. Moreover, choosing not to believe in the Maker isn't the same as not believing in any gods or divine beings.

@Maria Caliban http://social.biowar...ndex/12890819/5

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DG said "This is the point where I rub my temples and wonder why I even bothered at all.

There was no "proof" of God, and yet in medieval Europe the fact that He existed was beyond question. A given person might hate Him or reject Him, but that does not mean He didn't exist. Sure, there might be exceptional individuals, but it was not a thing.

This is also the case in Thedas. And the idea of getting into a discussion of what Morrigan or the Qunari is irrelevant in the context of how it should impact the player-- which, from the perspective of the writing team, is not at all. It's not one of the possible viewpoints that we offer, though we also don't go out of our way to do the opposite either, and we've no intention of changing that.

And that's where I'm going to leave it. If someone wants to take this as "but this was clearly a theme of the entire story whether you meant it or not and if you are changing that approach even though you just said you weren't then CLEARLY ALL IS LOST"... well, knock yourselves out."

Yeah, that in no way confirms or denies the existence of the Maker.

[thedancingdruid]

@JediMasterofOrion From the PC being a "leader" which one article pointed out was very different than the previous two installments...to well, a leader because he/she was the only schmuck walking by at the time. I, for one, would hope not.

[thedancingdruid]

@MariaCaliban I was really actually looking specifically at this line..."A given person might hate Him or reject Him, but that does not mean He didn't exist. Sure, there might be exceptional individuals, but it was not a thing.This is also the case in Thedas."

 

Though, for brevity, which I already destroyed, I'll concede.

[Heimdall]

Yes. Laidlaw said (about the Inquisition), "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will." Mark Darrah said, "In the chaos surrounding the beginning of the game, you're reforming the Inquisition, not as part of the church, not a part of the Chantry, you actually stand apart from it, in fact, based on these events, actually in opposition to it."

Well, there you go then.

It doesn't sound like there's an institution left in Orlais that hasn't been ripped in at least two pieces.

[LobselVith8]

@LobselVith8 That is what I remember as well. Hence, why, with all this new info, I'm questioning the validity of that previous info, though I didn't spell it out that way.

I understand. For anyone who is curious, it's from this video: A Look Inside Dragon Age. This is where Laidlaw said the Inquisition would be standing in "opposition to the Chantry will".

Darrah's comments about standing in opposition to the Chantry can be found here. Darrah also said: "This is very important to me. We're not... forcing you to any sort of stance in terms of what you think about mages, what you think about Templars, what you think about the role of magic in Dragon Age. That's going to be left to the player to decide."

I like the emphasis on giving the player choice in defining who the protagonist is, but I understand the hesitancy about the role of the Inquisition when Cassandra is the one who is actually forming the Inquisition (and apparently handpicking her own people).

[Heimdall]

I like the emphasis on giving the player choice in defining who the protagonist is, but I understand the hesitancy about the role of the Inquisition when Cassandra is the one who is actually forming the Inquisition (and apparently handpicking her own people).

I'm forming the theory now that somebody who's support Cassandra needs for the Inquisition won't accept her as leader and the Inquisitor ends up being the compromise.

[Mihura]

I understand. For anyone who is curious, it's from this video: A Look Inside Dragon Age. This is where Laidlaw said the Inquisition would be standing in "opposition to the Chantry will".

Darrah's comments about standing in opposition to the Chantry can be found here. Darrah also said: "This is very important to me. We're not... forcing you to any sort of stance in terms of what you think about mages, what you think about Templars, what you think about the role of magic in Dragon Age. That's going to be left to the player to decide."

I like the emphasis on giving the player choice in defining who the protagonist is, but I understand the hesitancy about the role of the Inquisition when Cassandra is the one who is actually forming the Inquisition (and apparently handpicking her own people).

 

Hum that actually is what I was trying to say, I mean Cassandra has an important role in the organization, so in a way you have connections with the chantry.

And there is the former inquisition too.

"The first Inquisition was a group of people who, following the First Blight, rose up to defend Thedas from the dangers of magic and heretics. The Inquisition later joined with the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth and the Templar Order.[4] The Inquisition is reformed late in the Dragon Age to investigate a new threat to Thedas."

[Heimdall]

Hum that actually is what I was trying to say, I mean Cassandra has an important role in the organization, so in a way you are connections with the chantry.
And there is the former inquisition too.
The first Inquisition was a group of people who, following the First Blight, rose up to defend Thedas from the dangers of magic and heretics. The Inquisition later joined with the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth and the Templar Order.[4] The Inquisition is reformed late in the Dragon Age to investigate a new threat to Thedas.

Well, the old Inquisition was explicitly disconnected from the chantry.

[Mihura]

Well, the old Inquisition was explicitly disconnected from the chantry.

 

No but the new one is. 

[Heimdall]

No but the new one is.

Not in any official capacity,

[thedancingdruid]

I suppose my real concern is this...

 

If the Inquisitor totes the Chantry line because of necessity I can live with that, however, it may leave a sour taste in my mouth regarding my main warden who may have wanted to pat Anders on the back and my main Hawke who held pom poms as the Chantry went kaboom. Also, since their stories are still in unfinished pieces, that may taint this new installment for me.

 

IRL I follow none but embrace all as far as various beliefs are concerned.

 

But this is fantasy and some of my mages would want to light the revolution bonfire, so to speak. I'd like to think my Inquisitor would have been able to do the same.

 

And, thanks all, for your responses.

[LobselVith8]

I'm forming the theory now that somebody who's support Cassandra needs for the Inquisition won't accept her as leader and the Inquisitor ends up being the compromise.

I think it's the religious connotations surrounding the survivor of a catastrophe at the site of the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Otherwise, a heretical Vashoth or a Dalish mage who follows a criminalized religion would be bigger issues than the Hero of Orlais.

[BobZilla84]

I think Cassandra and the Inquisitor will clash on the choices and direction you take the same can be said about Leliana and Cullen as well but in the end they will fall in line because your the only one that can seal the tears so yeah there will definitely be issues but they will drop quickly imo.

[smoke and mirrors]

@Maria Caliban There was a thread regarding whether one could or could not be an atheist and DG chimed in when someone stated that Morrigan was a good example of an atheist, that while that may indeed be true it doesn't mean the Maker doesn't exist. The PC can choose not to believe in the Maker but the Maker still existed in the DA universe.

 

 

 The Elf / Dwarf / Qunari Inquisitor might not believe in the Maker or the Chantry .

[Heimdall]

I think it's the religious connotations surrounding the survivor of a catastrophe at the site of the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Otherwise, a heretical Vashoth or a Dalish mage who follows a criminalized religion would be bigger issues than the Hero of Orlais.

I was thinking more about why Cassandra and the other initial members of the Inquisition would hand the leadership to the Inquisitor, though there's a good chance you're right about why the populace accepts it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

@JediMasterofOrion From the PC being a "leader" which one article pointed out was very different than the previous two installments...to well, a leader because he/she was the only schmuck walking by at the time. I, for one, would hope not.

 

Well, I figure it's likely that the Inquisitor being the only one who can close the Veil is the main reason they're the leader. I'm not sure a Dalish Elf, for example, would garner significantly more respect from Cassandra or the rest of the world on the basis of being a Dalish authority figure rather than a Dalish random shmuck. A little maybe, but I have to think the Veil closing is what gains them the universal respect needed to lead the Inquisition.

[Mihura]

I still think you will be limited in some ways, just like you cannot quit being a warden and skip the blight but you sure could decide to help or not people on your way.