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[LobselVith8]

I suppose my real concern is this...

If the Inquisitor totes the Chantry line because of necessity I can live with that, however, it may leave a sour taste in my mouth regarding my main warden who may have wanted to pat Anders on the back and my main Hawke who held pom poms as the Chantry went kaboom. Also, since their stories a still in unfinished pieces, that may taint this new installment for me.

IRL I follow none but embrace all as far as various beliefs are concerned.

But this is fantasy and some of my mages would want to light the revolution bonfire, so to speak. I'd like to think my Inquisitor would have been able to do the same.

And, thanks all, for your responses.

I'm hoping it won't be necessary, given the repeated emphasis on player choice for Inquisition. I'm more interested in mage autonomy and the elven plight than I am in restoring the Chantry and the Orlesian conflict (with my elven Inquisitor), and I think it would be dishonest for the developers to intentionally mislead players about the Inquisition not being beholden to the Chantry, or the player not being a "puppet of the church".

Months ago (at the old BSN board), Gaider even said:

Okay, so. Without going into specifics on the plot of DA3, because I can't do that, I will say the following:

You aren't going to be forced to serve the Chantry or even think it's a good thing. You aren't forced to express belief in the Maker. I said previously we would try to allow options to actively express doubt, if that's your thing, so long as it works in context. You of course will also have the option to do the opposite.

Ultimately, the ability to determine the personality and/or feelings on your own character is one of the fundamental strengths of an RPG, and one that DA is sticking with. Yes, it must also work within the context of the setting and the plot-- you can't do anything-- but that's always been the case with any game, and in the case of DA3 it is not required that you be forced into a certain set of beliefs in order to make it work.

[Ailith Tycane]

Cassandra probably wants something specific. She's a Seeker. It's a possibility she will clash with us about the direction of the Inquisition.

 

Yes, Cassandra is a Seeker and she also has a personal history of hating mages. I would honestly be shocked if a character like her and someone like Vivienne (who is a Circle supporting mage) would not bump heads. That's your job as the Inquisition leader, is to diffuse those situations or handle them in a way that is advantageous to you or whatever cause you personally want to support. 

[thedancingdruid]

@LobselVith8 Well, hopefully you're right and maybe Cameron's fear as he states, "God I hope I get my lore right or else David Gaider will kick my arse..." has already come to fruition.

[thedancingdruid]

@Ailith430 I don't think Cassandra and, as you pointed out, "a Circle supporting mage" would butt heads as much as you think. I'm concerned about the PC wannabes who agree with the Circle's annihilation.

[TheCreeper]

I think what happens is that with the Divine almost certainly gone, the Chantry is leaderless and likely to be more focused on talking about the problem and figuring out who should lead now. Cassandra realizes something needs to be done now and the soon to be Inquisitor offers a way of actually fixing the issue with his/her glowing hand. But I don't really think she had the actual authority to found the Inquisition. Sure it was talked about before the Conference but I think the general idea was that it would answer to the Divine or the Chantry in someway. With Cassandra founding it and merging her Seekers with it, the Inquisition now answers to nobody but itself.Now Sure Cassandra and Leliana were agents of the Divine but they were Agents of a very very liberal Divine, more to the point I think them doing this despite the possible legal issues and the annoyance it's going to cause what's left of the Chantry shows they're more concerned about getting the problem resolved then any religious causes. Also Cassandra and Leliana may help found it and be the ones who original developed but there's little to no implication the Inquisitor herself is any sort of puppet ruler, they make them ruler (judging by the Coronation Ceremony Concept Art) yes but there's nothing that says that came with strings attached.

[LobselVith8]

@LobselVith8 Well, hopefully you're right and maybe Cameron's fear as he states, "God I hope I get my lore right or else David Gaider will kick my arse..." has already come to fruition.

I hope so, too. I'm hoping the player can genuinely shape the Inquisition into the kind of organization the player wants it to be, and not simply be a figurehead of the order. As long as my character can take Cassandra's group and mold it into something he wants it to be, I don't have an issue. I would have preferred the character to be more instrumental in the creation of the organization, but I suppose Cassandra's involvement explains why it's the Inquisition, and not the Emerald Knights.

[thedancingdruid]

I hope so, too. I'm hoping the player can genuinely shape the Inquisition into the kind of organization the player wants it to be, and not simply be a figurehead of the order. As long as my character can take Cassandra's group and mold it into something he wants it to be, I don't have an issue. I would have preferred the character to be more instrumental in the creation of the organization, but I suppose Cassandra's involvement explains why it's the Inquisition, and not the Emerald Knights.

 

Exactly. I too would have preferred to be instrumental in founding the new order and not simply a survivor of a major catastrophe, however, maybe the opening will show otherwise.

 

I still, however, don't have a happy feeling regarding the details revealed and seeing the Seeker symbol plastered all over the "Choose Your Inquisitor" concept art armor is certainly problematic, but what's done is done I suppose.

[TheCreeper]

Exactly. I too would have preferred to be instrumental in founding the new order and not simply a survivor of a major catastrophe, however, maybe the opening will show otherwise.

 

I still, however, don't have a happy feeling regarding the details revealed and seeing the Seeker symbol plastered all over the "Choose Your Inquisitor" concept art armor is certainly problematic, but what's done is done I suppose.

Those are symbols of the Inquisition, Seekers have the old Inquisition symbol just with the Sword Removed. 

[azarhal]

This came up months ago. The developers said the player won't be forced to work for the Chantry or believe in the Maker. The developers also said the Inquisition is formed "in opposition" to the Chantry, and that the protagonist isn't a "puppet of the church".

 

And nothing was changed from what the dev said. It fit perfectly with Lee's interview.

 

The "in opposition" is about Cassandra using a loophole (Lee's own word) to bring back the Inquisition behind the remains of the Chantry's back. Add that the PC will be seen by some as a divine agent that the Chantry do not control, working on an issue that Templars or the Chantry should be dealing with and you get a really antagonist relationship on the making there.

 

As for Cassandra handing out the leadership, I guess we will have to wait, but I'm still thinking that that the Inquisitor start as a figure head (being able to close the mini-Breaches makes for a good PR) and learn to lead over time. Cassandra might even fill in as a mentor in this case.

[xarthas2]

I remember (correctly, I think) how Leliana was very flexible with my very "anti-Maker" Warden: she always found a way to tolerate my bigotry and sour (yeah, you dont belive in Him, but He belive in you, mumble, the ways of the Maker are inscrutable, mumble, ...). So, I would expect a very similar approach with an anti-Maker Inquisitor .

[thedancingdruid]

@TheCreeper Well it's hard to see the sword on the crown, gauntlet or lapel, but maybe you are correct.

[TheCreeper]

I remember (correctly, I think) how Leliana was very flexible with my very "anti-Maker" Warden: she always found a way to tolerate my bigotry and sour (yeah, you dont belive in Him, but He belive in you, mumble, the ways of the Maker are inscrutable, mumble, ...). So, I would expect a very similar approach with an anti-Maker Inquisitor .

Yeah Leliana has very unothrodox views and is open minded while Cassandra seems to favor a pragmatic approach to getting this crisis resolved judging from that gameplay footage from last year.Both of these women strike me as people who would rather have a heathen who can get this crisis resolved, even if it means weakening the church, over someone who's Pious but lacks the Strength their Position as leader requires.

[wcholcombe]

In another interview I think Gaider or Laidlaw make a comment about one choice in the game being possibly allying with the templars which would antagonize the Dalish.

The only example I have seen so far about faction relations.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

In another interview I think Gaider or Laidlaw make a comment about one choice in the game being possibly allying with the templars which would antagonize the Dalish.

The only example I have seen so far about faction relations.

 

Really? Where? That sounds important.

[TheCreeper]

Okay look at it this way, if the Inquisitor is non-human. Elven: IS explicitly Dalish. That can't be overstated Qunari: Born outside the Qun yes but have we ever heard of a Qunari converting to the Chant, heck would the Chantry even accept one considering how feared and hated they are by both the General Populace and the Chantry. Dwarf: Yes there are converts but their don't seem to be a lot of them and there's no world yet on if they've been up on the surface for a long time or are some of Ambassador from Ozammar or what have you. Even if they're human, if they're a mage and not a loyalist like Vivienne. They stand a good chance of wanting to increase mage's freedom from the Chantry. So unless they're human Rogue or Warrior, they're made the head of the entire Inquisition despite their being a fairly strong chance they're not Believer in the Maker at all.

 

 

Edit: I'm almost postive it was Orlais vs Dalish, not Templars vs Dalish.

[wcholcombe]

I think it's the religious connotations surrounding the survivor of a catastrophe at the site of the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Otherwise, a heretical Vashoth or a Dalish mage who follows a criminalized religion would be bigger issues than the Hero of Orlais.

In one of the interviews they said that Cassandra moves forward with starting the inquisition because she gets mad that the Chantry leadership runs back to val royeux with their tail between their legs to solve the problem rather than address the situation. So its coming from an Andrastian background but it isn't directly associated with the chantry.

Also, I am pretty sure you become the leader because you can close the rifts.

[smoke and mirrors]

Yes, Cassandra is a Seeker and she also has a personal history of hating mages. I would honestly be shocked if a character like her and someone like Vivienne (who is a Circle supporting mage) would not bump heads.

 

I hope they do bump heads with each other and with my Inquisitor too , oh the banter

[TheCreeper]

In one of the interviews they said that Cassandra moves forward with starting the inquisition because she gets mad that the Chantry leadership runs back to val royeux with their tail between their legs to solve the problem rather than address the situation. So its coming from an Andrastian background but it isn't directly associated with the chantry.

Also, I am pretty sure you become the leader because you can close the rifts.

Also now that I think about it, haven't the devs said her conversation with Varric left her a bit doubting her faith because of how poorly the Templars and Chantry handled Kirkwall? If her faith in the Chantry is in doubt, losing the only voice of reason in the Chantry and having what's left of the leadership refuse to take action against this crisis would probably make her very willing to consider a full break from it.

[thedancingdruid]

@TheCreeper Thank you for that hint of sunshine. I would look forward to this type of scenario actually. I applaud the questioning of beliefs especially if it leads eventually to a deeper personal understanding of one's universe.

[TheCreeper]

Not to overpost but the devs have mentioned multiple times that the Inquisition is Separate from the Chantry and could have anti-Chantry Positions. Now admittedly having so many people who work with the Chantry makes that claim a bit hard to believe but recent interviews give a pretty good picture of why they might be against what's left of the Chantry. So I think some concern is understandable,but  you shouldn't be that worried.

[Heimdall]

@TheCreeper Thank you for that hint of sunshine. I would look forward to this type of scenario actually. I applaud the questioning of beliefs especially if it leads eventually to a deeper personal understanding of one's universe.

I'm not sure what sort of understanding you mean, but I'd caution against assuming doubt in the Chantry leadership equates to doubt in Andrastrianism or a fundamental shift in the character.

[wcholcombe]

Really? Where? That sounds important.[/quote]

It was actually forming a treaty with Orlais. Had the part about meeting with the twmplars from a different interview.

" The Inquisitor may build an alliance with Orlais but fall out of favor with the Dalish as a result."
http://www.mmorpg.co...ame=1028&ismb=1

[wcholcombe]

Also now that I think about it, haven't the devs said her conversation with Varric left her a bit doubting her faith because of how poorly the Templars and Chantry handled Kirkwall? If her faith in the Chantry is in doubt, losing the only voice of reason in the Chantry and having what's left of the leadership refuse to take action against this crisis would probably make her very willing to consider a full break from it.

Not really, people keep inferring it, but I haven't seen any quotes.

Seeing as she is acting out on the continuance of one of Justinia's plans. She is just ticked at the frozen state of the chantry leadership.

[TurretSyndrome]

I think Inquisition is going to be neutral, much like the Grey Warden group. The only focus in this game is to find out who the perpetrator is and how to solve the Rift problem so there will be no one being forced to join one side or the other. It just doesn't work out especially for non-human races, so I'm sure the story will be written in a way that our alignment will not matter with respect to the task at hand.

 

Even in the old times, Inquisition was only about fighting and protecting the people from the dangers of magic, so if they are trying to bring that back, it means that there will be no political pressure on the order itself. From this, one can say that the Grey Wardens and the Inquisition are going to be very similar in what they do, they are above the world's politics and problems of kingdoms and empires, and only have one threat they concentrate on. One being the Darkspawn and the other being magic. 

[wcholcombe]

Except for when they are killing each other because the grey wardens are willing to use demons/rifts to end future blights.