TIM says that Cerberus is an idea and ideas cannot be killed. I pondered his words and realized there will always be a xenophobic lunatic and like-minded people. Maybe under a different name or mantle or form but Cerberus will be always be there.
What do you think is the future of Cerberus? Personally I think Cerberus is converted into a Human Preservation Society/Party by the Alliance and used as a defence ( similar to S.H.E.I.L.D in the Marvel Universe)
Discuss!
Yeah, the Alliance wants nothing to do with Cerberus. Really, post-war, chances are most of the galaxy is brought together, with the Salarians leading the way.
Yes, you will always have some rascist, xenophobic, incompetant, and idiotic terrorists ****. Doesn't mean they can do anything significant.
And Cerberus can't be converted into anything; it's destroyed. There really aren't any remains.
Using your "SHIELD" analogy, I'd say Cerberus would be more like HYDRA. Sure they are defeated and their leader dead, but there are still plenty of competent members in the vein of Petrovsky, who could keep the organization alive and on the down low. Only the science division seems to be incompetent, their spies are incredibly effective, what with being able to steal and improve the Normandy design, and there are plenty of humans who are probably sympathetic to the cause.
I could certainly see the Cerberus remnant operating in the shadows in a post ME3 world. They wouldn't be able to reach the Sith Empire levels of power they magically got in ME3, but they could easily manipulate politics in the background while slowly building support.
Whatever happens to them, I think:
1)They'll be softened (like ME2 compared to ME1)
2)They'll be smaller (not the focus of 1/2 the combat in the game)
3)They'll be more morally grey (at least like ME2 compared to ME1 again)
4)They may change their name, be restructured in some sense
If they're going to exist at all.
Can we please skip Cerberus for a game or two?
Can we please skip Cerberus for a game or two?
The return of Cerberus would show that Bioware have really run out of ideas for the MEU.
The Illusive Man is the Old God Baby in an alternate universe.
As such his soul will live on as the male child of Booker DeWitt, who isn't sold to Booker DeWitt
and travels back in time to become Commander Shepard who becomes a giant blue reaper and travels through a wormhole and ends up in the Black City
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The return of Cerberus would show that Bioware have really run out of ideas for the MEU.
In any way? Would the return of the Alliance mean that too?
I'm sure it will be back... unfortunately. This is the organization that has after all that has managed to entrench itself into almost every single facet of the story.
I'm sure it will be back... unfortunately. This is the organization that has after all that has managed to entrench itself into almost every single facet of the story.
Metastasis.
We have a dire case of plot cancer here.
TIM says that Cerberus is an idea and ideas cannot be killed. I pondered his words and realized there will always be a xenophobic lunatic and like-minded people. Maybe under a different name or mantle or form but Cerberus will be always be there.
What do you think is the future of Cerberus? Personally I think Cerberus is converted into a Human Preservation Society/Party by the Alliance and used as a defence ( similar to S.H.E.I.L.D in the Marvel Universe)
Discuss!
My Shepard is one of such individuals who will carry on the ideology of Cerberus. He will also allow for the same methodology to be used. He'll be more quiet about it, but post-war, his reborn group (with Miranda also leading with him) will be in the shadows, influencing the galaxy and making humanity the political, economic, and even militarily dominant species while using Reaper tech to keep humanity ahead of the curve (they'll be more advanced with it, and willing to use it in unethical and immoral means). My Shepard will ensure that TIM's legacy, and the legacy of Cerberus, continues to push forward and prosper. It's out for the same gains as the prior Cerberus: for better or worse, to ensure the preservation and advancement of humanity in the universe, with or without the cooperation of aliens. They aren't xenophobic or racist or speciesist (and TIM's Cerberus wasn't either). They're well-intentioned extremists who believe that utopia justifies the means, regardless of the means used to get there. The galaxy will believe Shepard is dead, having died a hero. Shepard will use that goodwill to make the galaxy what it needs to be.
Yeah, the Alliance wants nothing to do with Cerberus. Really, post-war, chances are most of the galaxy is brought together, with the Salarians leading the way.
Yes, you will always have some rascist, xenophobic, incompetant, and idiotic terrorists (this is for you, Massively). Doesn't mean they can do anything significant.
And Cerberus can't be converted into anything; it's destroyed. There really aren't any remains.
That's a personal attack. Reported.
To ME, there will always be idiots. Remember they are good for test experiments and trolling.
To ME, there will always be idiots. Remember they are good for test experiments and trolling.
That's acting a little too much like TIM.
To ME, there will always be idiots. Remember they are good for test experiments and trolling.
Yep. Hell, if there's science to be had, and it's worth the trouble to go through with, experimentation et al. is on the table if its practical. I guess I should say that since I often expound the utility of such philosophy, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to go through with the methods every time. It's got to be worth the resources, and I'm not a guy who, despite my image here, really believes in pointless violence. I'm not going to burn 30 people just to figure out how to make a 3% increase in output from a starship reactor using Reaper tech - it's rather senseless.
Don't know if you're addressing me, yourself (as in the word 'me'), the games, or some combination of the 3.
That's acting a little too much like TIM.
Beyond being hyper-reckless with his technology and lacking oversight over his subordinates who got too messy and were noticed, I'm not really trying not to be like TIM.
Beyond being hyper-reckless with his technology and lacking oversight over his subordinates who got too messy and were noticed, I'm not really trying not to be like TIM.
I was really just joking.. in my head.
Test experiments - Sanctuary.
Trolling - "Diplomacy is good when it works, but not when everyone already perceives you as a threat." --> Proceeds to lie lie lie about stuff
I was really just joking.. in my head.
Test experiments - Sanctuary.
Trolling - "Diplomacy is good when it works, but not when everyone already perceives you as a threat." --> Proceeds to lie lie lie about stuff
In my eyes, Sanctuary had justifiable utility.
As for diplomacy, the whole point of it is the exact same as violence. You use it to get what you want and/or need. Doesn't matter how you do it.
Nowhere near enough to account for the cost, as I see it.In my eyes, Sanctuary had justifiable utility.
Agreed. Violence is an escalation of the same. To borrow from Heinlein:As for diplomacy, the whole point of it is the exact same as violence. You use it to get what you want and/or need. Doesn't matter how you do it.
This is where I realize my headcanon still pales compared to some others.
In any way? Would the return of the Alliance mean that too?
Why would you expect the Alliance to be absent? I mean, it if a dead supervillian randomly returns to life for the sequel then you could argue that the franchise is past it's prime but an arbitrarily picked organisation not disappearing between titles isn't nearly as bad.
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