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[Johnnie Walker]

If you want both nudity and violence so bad then just go to http://www.bad-dragon.com/

 

Get to sleep with and slay dragons. Wow. Goes perfect with the Dragon Age fantasy theme tbh.

[Johnnie Walker]

When Sun goes hyper everyone will...

We're more likely to get hit by a gamma ray before that happens though. Which is 10 times more dangerous than a nuclear bomb.

[Eternal Phoenix]

"History now says the dark age wasn't so dark" This is a minor movement on my eyes and its, on my honest opinion, move by christians which refuse to see the dark age as a gigantic backwards movement. Which I find childish, because of this events christians are not monsters who put humanity under ignorance. The Roman where christians as well during all this period and they did kept knowledge and advance on it.

 

It will be as If I try to make the Spanish Inquisition look better because I'm Spanish and I refuse to see such tragic events as part of Spanish history.

 

 

Minor movement? It's a "movement" from numerous academic sites and universities which all refute your assertions. It's not a move by Christians. I'm a Christian deist and in the past, deists were persecuted (even killed) by the church so what reason would I have to defend them when I'm still a heretic in their eyes with arianism condemned by all major Christian sects? I'm destined to Hell according to most churches so seriously, why would I be lying for them? 

 

There are many things I'll call the church out for in history (i.e witch hunts, Spanish Inquisition, persecution of arians, persecution of deists) but the idea that they suppressed all knowledge during the "dark ages" just because Galileo was persecuted for his ideas is garbage. As both Academia.edu and BBC said in their articles, the dark ages occurred after the collapse of Rome. It was the Church that was actually keeping the records in this time whilst the pagans (vikings) decided it fitting to raid settlements during this time raping and pillaging towns and villages, destroying churches/monasteries/libraries and thus books...

 

Indeed is was Rome (and thus Christians) who brought civilization to England whilst the vikings thought it funny to attack the anglo-saxon tribes afterwards in full scale invasions of more rape and pillaging destroying anglo-saxon records and the Library of Lindisfarne. During this time, the original Lindisfarne Gospels (one of the greatest manuscripts of the Middle Ages) went missing leading to a replacement (thankfully) being made.

 

So yeah, blame the vikings for the loss of records and books during this time. Thankfully the Lindisfarne Gospels were recreated but I'm sure many other manuscripts and works weren't. Those gospels reveal the peak of Middle age art and literature, much of what was lost thanks to the vikings. The last link above leads to the British Library's online gallery for some pages from those gospels (one image of which I have included above).

 

So that's the reason much knowledge from this age is lost, that along with the destruction of the Library of Alexandria however, during this time, there was also a revolution known as the Islamic Golden Age where many Muslim scientists and mathematicians made great leaps in these subjects, two scholars actually proposed an early form of the evolution theory (see Al-Jahiz and Ibn Khaldun).

 

So it was the Muslims and Christians responsible for keeping things going during the middle ages. Pagans (at least the vikings) were only thinking with their swords and willies,   with their only contributions to the arts being their poetry and craftsmanship of weaponry and boats.

 

As the links should reveal, all sources used here are academic and secular so there is no bias here.

 

Thank you. I actually enjoyed this discussion. It's not often I get to debate and discuss history with someone.

[Raizo]

Hello and thank you for coming by,
 
I would like to speak and present one matter which can be resume on the next line:
 
How can sex and nudity be a tabu and blowing up a mans head off be a "cool thing"?
 
I create this topic to discuss this matter and seek opinions rather than sending a message to game developers or on this case, BioWare. As I'm sure this matter is probably chose from EA, a business decision.
 
Going back to the matter; The human body is treated as if it was a terrible thing along with sex, where the scenes avoid the male/female parts yet we see the animation of a head turning into peaces with all detail when getting shot with a sniper.
 
I think this is clearly a social thought remain from the dark age when the church on power did pursue the classic ways and "pagan believes", however I'm yet amaze how a beautiful thing such as sex is presented in all media as a terrible tabu and killing other people is acceptable. 
 
Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying that fights are terrible thing to be presented, a mature history must be presented as it will be on life it self(what will a video-game be with out it!?). But accepting this on violence and not on nudity and sex is childish.
 
In my opinion, if this tabu will be defeated all related to it will feel natural as it should be. Any scene of nudity or sex in any video-game or other media feel extremely artificial this days.
 
What do you think about it?

Nudity and sex are natural things. In theory every man and woman on the planet knows what they look like naked and knows what opposite sex looks like naked as well. As for the young ones, well eventually puberty will happen, hormones will do their thing and in theory when they come of age sex will be had by all individuals involved, as I said this is natural.

Violence on the other hand should not be a natural thing. Shooting another person in the head with a gun should not be a normal thing, a thing that is acceptable in society.

So bearing that in mind I agree with you. Americans in particular are really hung up on the nudity thing. I'm not saying I want more ****** and ass in my video games because I can do without but I do wonder why it is more acceptable to show extreme scenes of violence in gore in games but if you show a boob people in the media suddenly start to loose thier ****.

[Derpy]

Hazmat suits in Chernobyl?
 
B**** pls who needs it Chernobyl is my playground.

[Zubi Fett]

@Raizo, my thanks for commenting on the topic, your thoughts are exactly mines, I can't say much more! 

 

To Eterlan Phoenix,

 

Of course, likewise. It is a very rare chance to have such an enriching conversation(I hope this term is also use in English).

 

But ones more, I disagree.

 

I'm aware that the church did keep old books/documents, I did not say otherwise. I stated there oppression over the people and the denial to this one to knowledge. Believes where impose and to believe otherwise was heresy. This old documents/books where exclusive to the cleric.

 

The knowledge was denied to the people, certain books forgiven, the great majority of the people illiterate and so on. I'm sorry, but this age is dark in all of those territories(explained on my post above).    

 

I knew of the Viking invasions, however I did not look in detail into the matter of destruction of books, but I'll use this conversation as an excuse to do so. Yet, this tragedy is somehow "independent" from how things where at this time, prior to there invasions this problems where strong and real.

 

They way you've use the word pagan to refer the Vikings; when I used this word(used from its origins to refer to the non christian believes) I was speaking on the age of Hypatia as well as the beginning of the establishment of the church, prior to this invasions. It is right to use this word with the Vikings, however you've give me the feeling of using it to perhaps, disprove the pagans I mentioned above? Although I think is clear, the pagans I've refer to in my prior post are those who followed the old ways and believes(Greco-Roma), far away in time from the Viking invasions.

 

It is a minor and quite recent movement. As I said above, that this movement is mainly originated by christian believers is my solo personal opinion, true that I've express my self more aggressively and avoid originated, my apologizes. However, I'm not stating this movement to be a minor one as my solo personal opinion. It is a recent movement and focus mainly on using the Romans and Arabian civilizations as the "light" that disproves the dark age, named due to the status of society on the old eastern Roman Empire territories. And it is this why I'm in the other size, this civilizations are "out" of the dark age territory and therefore are not to be used as the counter measure of the status of the occidental size.

 

Currently the majority of historians are on this size(I know you think otherwise, I respect it and it will be pointless to discuss this for eternity).

 

 

As for the source of the BBC, truly the last name to be use to prove ones data. This entity as been caught so many times on fraude/corruption. The only one I can remember with detail now is there documental about the Canary Islands to blow up and cause a massive wave to the USA coast. A Spanish documental disprove this one and in fact left clear some pure garbage this documental was saying. But more interesting is the fact that one of the mayor investors was an insurance company located on the east coast of the USA. Look into it if you're interested, I remember there where more incidents such as this one but I can't remember the details to tell you anything accurate.

 

In any case, it is been great having this discussion. I'm looking forward to read about Al-Jahiz and Ibn Khaldun and I thankful for this reveal, I'll look deeply into your link and the sources I may find after(always vital to check the same thing on varios places, in my opinion). I'll also look deeper into the Viking invasions, a event that even if I had studied I did not look deeper into its details.

 

From my size, I think the discussion can come to an end. You've shown your ideas and made some good points. I do see why you think that and I respect it. But it is clear that we both are holding tight our thoughts/places(another term I hope is used in English).

 

Therefore is clear our interpretations of the dark age derived.

[Johnnie Walker]

"Sex is just as natural as death." -Stephen King.

[Newschmoo]

I have enjoyed reading the historical conversations on this thread.  Maybe there should be a thread to discuss different historical periods.  Anyway I digress.

 

In answer to "How can sex and nudity be a tabu and blowing up a mans head off be a "cool thing"?"  It depends on the culture/society you live in.

 

In the UK, I would say that violence is more of an issue than sex and nudity.   I grew up with parents who read tabloid newspapers, where there were always topless women on page 3.  We still have Page 3 girls to this day.  So seeing a bare breasted woman on a daily basis is the norm for some people.

 

If there is anything negative that is raised about video games (particularly in the non-gaming media), it is the violence aspect.  I have read articles about some terrible incident and then it is linked back to perpetrator playing Call of Duty.  The media does pick up on things like that.  

 

I have always had more of an issue with graphic violence than sex.  FPS games such as Battlefield and Doom have never appealed to me.  Which is why I tend to play more RPG/action/adventure (story based) type of games.  I can deal with the violence in those.  

 

The only time I have an issue with sex and nudity is if it is there for titillation (the Page 3 girl being a good example). If a sex scene or nudity is necessary for the story, then I have no issue at all.

 

If there is anything that does annoy me in gaming, it is the portrayal of female characters.  I know it is getting better, but if I see another slim female with huge boobs with just a slither of armour on (that in no way would protect them)  I just   !

[Zubi Fett]

I have enjoyed reading the historical conversations on this thread.  Maybe there should be a thread to discuss different historical periods.  Anyway I digress.

 

In answer to "How can sex and nudity be a tabu and blowing up a mans head off be a "cool thing"?"  It depends on the culture/society you live in.

 

In the UK, I would say that violence is more of an issue than sex and nudity.   I grew up with parents who read tabloid newspapers, where there were always topless women on page 3.  We still have Page 3 girls to this day.  So seeing a bare breasted woman on a daily basis is the norm for some people.

 

If there is anything negative that is raised about video games (particularly in the non-gaming media), it is the violence aspect.  I have read articles about some terrible incident and then it is linked back to perpetrator playing Call of Duty.  The media does pick up on things like that.  

 

I have always had more of an issue with graphic violence than sex.  FPS games such as Battlefield and Doom have never appealed to me.  Which is why I tend to play more RPG/action/adventure (story based) type of games.  I can deal with the violence in those.  

 

The only time I have an issue with sex and nudity is if it is there for titillation (the Page 3 girl being a good example). If a sex scene or nudity is necessary for the story, then I have no issue at all.

 

If there is anything that does annoy me in gaming, it is the portrayal of female characters.  I know it is getting better, but if I see another slim female with huge boobs with just a slither of armour on (that in no way would protect them)  I just   !

 

Glad to hear that!

 

For one size I agree with you, from the other I do not.

 

I agree that in Europe violence is not as pursue as it is in the US, but it is far from being rejected. I play multiplayer games from people from every where, a lot of them Europeans as of course we share the time line(GMT+1 or GMT+0 mostly) and all of them are okey with it. When I used to play far more Gears of War I also played with people from EU and absolutely every one was fine with it. Of course it might be a bad example as this violence is part of the GoW saga and we all know thats part of what we're finding when buying the game, therefore some one who dislikes it won't be in it.

 

In any case, I do agree that depending where you live on it is different but I do think the majority of Europeans are more than fine with it.

 

And the problem you bright up is very very true. Although developers avoid nudity it is very true that a lot of games do sexualize the female characters a lot and leave the males untouched on this matter. It is definitely ridiculous(or perhaps it is an elaborate strategy to distract the male opponents ) and when taking to an extreme specially, because as you said... where is she going with those few armor peaces?