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[Dean_the_Young]

If Justice lives, he deserves to be subdued and delivered to Kirkwall for accounting. I'd advise imprisonment over banishment back to the fade if making it a wisp isn't possible. I understand there's an empty spirit prison up on ye old sundermount.

[darkiddd]

Justice got a taste of the real world and couldn't handle it. He freaked out so much that at this point I consider him a demon, a perversion of the ideal he embodied. So if he appears and is still vengeance then I kill him.

[Black Jimmy]

i wonder if that's why we're sieging the Warden fort? To capture and execute Anders/Vengeance?

 

If Anders is killed, it's not completely impossible that Justice will revert back to his old affable self.

 

Or the breach just mutates him into full blown vengeance demom.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I would love to see Justice again. He should be in every DA game.

[leaguer of one]

He did. Spirits can't die. Anders made a point on that only he would die.

[leaguer of one]

I actually like Justice, it's Anders I was angry at. Justice was a spirit and he was sweet in Awakening. Anders anger is what turned Justice into Vengeance. He knew not to let a spirit inside him and he did it anyway. People need to stop making Justice into a scapegoat, all of this mess was Anders fault for being weak. 

Do you not understand that everything Anders did wrong was at the fault of Justice?

[Former_Fiend]

Do you not understand that everything Anders did wrong was at the fault of Justice?

 

Everything Anders was doing was his own fault because Anders is the one who chose to have, and encouraged, Justice possess him in the first place. The consequences of that decision are on his head.

 

Besides, it was Anders' anger at the templars and the circle that corrupted Justice. It wasn't Justice's influence that corrupted Anders.

[Cobra's_back]

Everything Anders was doing was his own fault because Anders is the one who chose to have, and encouraged, Justice possess him in the first place. The consequences of that decision are on his head.

 

Besides, it was Anders' anger at the templars and the circle that corrupted Justice. It wasn't Justice's influence that corrupted Anders.

 

He should not have had Justice in his head that is true.

 

Justice also means the administering of deserved punishment or reward.A spirit that doesn't have other emotions (empathy) and history to guide its understanding is problematic to me.

 

Remember the gauntlet Lady Vasilia stated she was vengeance and justice. Blood had to be paid with blood. I'm not big on having companions that are unpredictable. It seems as if they would get in my way. 

[leaguer of one]

Everything Anders was doing was his own fault because Anders is the one who chose to have, and encouraged, Justice possess him in the first place. The consequences of that decision are on his head.

 

Besides, it was Anders' anger at the templars and the circle that corrupted Justice. It wasn't Justice's influence that corrupted Anders.

1. Justice Encouraged Ander's to let him posses him. Not Ander's convinced Justice to possess him.

 

2.And you're forgetting Justice lack of concept of time that made him want to do everything immediately.

 

It was still mostly Justice's fault.

[Former_Fiend]

1. Justice Encouraged Ander's to let him posses him. Not Ander's convinced Justice to possess him.

 

2.And you're forgetting Justice lack of concept of time that made him want to do everything immediately.

 

It was still mostly Justice's fault.

 

It's been a while, but I recall Anders claiming it was his idea. I don't remember any implication that Justice suggested it.

 

More to the point, even if he did, that still makes it Anders fault because he shouldn't have been so stupid as to agree to it. He should have known better. He should have realized there would/could be consequences.

[leaguer of one]

It's been a while, but I recall Anders claiming it was his idea. I don't remember any implication that Justice suggested it.

 

More to the point, even if he did, that still makes it Anders fault because he shouldn't have been so stupid as to agree to it. He should have known better. He should have realized there would/could be consequences.

Ander's makes as point that is was Justice's.

 

But you're right to say Anders should of never let him do that. Merril points that out brutally. I never said that Anders never had any fault in it. My point is that Justice is more at fault.

[Iakus]

If Justice survived the murder knife to Ander's back, then the Inquisitor is just going to have to get a bigger murder knife...

[Former_Fiend]

Ander's makes as point that is was Justice's.

 

But you're right to say Anders should of never let him do that. Merril points that out brutally. I never said that Anders never had any fault in it. My point is that Justice is more at fault.

 

So, watching this video, Anders doesn't say it was Justice's idea, just that Justice needed a host, and Anders offered. Might have been a different dialogue option that made it clear, though. Anders also makes it clear that it was his own anger at the plight of mages that turned Justice in to what he became; prior to that, Justice wasn't nearly so brutal. He was appreciative of beauty, he was noble in his defense of those who had been wronged. Justice didn't turn Anders into an abomination, Anders turned Justice into Vengeance.

 

Either way, if someone drinks, drives, and kills someone, I don't put the blame on the alcohol, I put the blame on the idiot who didn't think to call a cab.

[Iakus]

So, watching this video, Anders doesn't say it was Justice's idea, just that Justice needed a host, and Anders offered. Might have been a different dialogue option that made it clear, though. Anders also makes it clear that it was his own anger at the plight of mages that turned Justice in to what he became; prior to that, Justice wasn't nearly so brutal. He was appreciative of beauty, he was noble in his defense of those who had been wronged. Justice didn't turn Anders into an abomination, Anders turned Justice into Vengeance.

 

Either way, if someone drinks, drives, and kills someone, I don't put the blame on the alcohol, I put the blame on the idiot who didn't think to call a cab.

 

If you complete his ACt 3 mission, including talking to the Grand Cleric, a fully rivaled Anders after blowing up the chantry tells Hawke that Justice took over and did it.  He blames himself for it, though "I turned my friend into a demon" and begs for death before he loses control again.

[Spectre slayer]

Pure speculation on my part, but what if Justice survives Anders' (possible) death, and decides he needs to complete what he started with Anders? What if his solution is to kill the heads of the Chantry and the Circle because he finds them incapable of making change he wants?
If he's still haunting Anders' body, then I could see him hiding in the ranks of the Wardens after such an attack, or the Wardens capture him since he's still one of them, and containing him.

While Justice may be alive if you killed Anders, he will not be in Anders body possessing his corpse because that was ruled out by Gaider in a few threads. Who knows what kind of shape Vengeance is in after what Anders and him did, how much of an effect the taint had on him, and if there are any after effects of getting thrown out of Anders body back into the fade if you killed Anders or what it thinks of Hawke if you romanced or had a friendship with him.

Nor is Justice responsible for the veil tear and the subsequent blast that killed everyone but us in the temple of sarced ashes where the leaders of the chantry and the mages, that was the antagonist whose been involved in a lot of things going back quite awhile.

Not sure what kind of role it would have if it appeared in DAI.

[Former_Fiend]

If you complete his ACt 3 mission, including talking to the Grand Cleric, a fully rivaled Anders after blowing up the chantry tells Hawke that Justice took over and did it.  He blames himself for it, though "I turned my friend into a demon" and begs for death before he loses control again.

 

Anders never really denies responsibility for it; even when Justice takes over, he accepts that it's his fault for taking in Justice in the first place and his anger turning Justice into Vengeance.

 

I just have an issue with Anders' fans trying to absolve him by putting the blame on Justice. 

[fhs33721]

It would be highly unlikely that Justice is dead. As far as I know there is no way to actually kill/destroy/permanently get rid of any sort of spirit or demon. You can scatter their essece but they will eventually form themselves anew and the cycle continues.

[Arachlia]

Technically, if the party banter at DAA is to believed, it was iniatially Nathaniel Howe's idea to get Justice possess living body. And if Hero of Ferelden was also Warden Commander, she/he could have talked about Wynne, who is also possessed by the spirit, making idea even more attractive. So in the end, there are lot of people to blame for Anders/Vengeance.

 

As for Justice/Vengeance being alive, it is rather unlikely that he would be dead in light of known facts. But would he be converted to his previous state as Justice if Anders was killed, or is Vengeance-state permanent? Hard to say.

[General TSAR]

Justice can't die unfortunately, so it will be spent back into the fade to recuperate and then return to Thedas to find another emo tool to carry out its nefarious plans. 

[Panda]

I wonder if Justice is turned to demon if he's in DAI. Then he's probaply villain too. I kinda hope not though it's likely, I really liked him : / Also I wonder the difference about dead Anders and living Anders in the DAI if this would happen. Would Justice have new host, would he be in fade or would he still be in Anders.. hmm idk. Probaply there is no happy endings for either of them no matter what way it'd go.

[leaguer of one]

Anders never really denies responsibility for it; even when Justice takes over, he accepts that it's his fault for taking in Justice in the first place and his anger turning Justice into Vengeance.

 

I just have an issue with Anders' fans trying to absolve him by putting the blame on Justice. 

No one is trying to absolve him. We are just pointing out it's more Justices fault the Anders. That still mean Anders has some fault in it.