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[andy6915]

I am largely pro mage, anyone who has read my posts or threads on that subject and remembers me will know that. But playing through DAO again... Mages really are trouble. My city elf is pretty okay with mages and magic early on, partly because she doesn't trust the Chantry to begin with because of their racism against elves and so their words about magic are disregarded by her. But she starts to get it over time. Soldier's peak's problems? Caused by a mage and a veil tear. Redcliffe's problems? Caused by a mage and a veil tear. Circle Tower? Caused by a mage and a veil tear. Brecilian Forest's problems? Caused by a mage cursing humans and a veil tear caused by an ancient war. Blackmarsh's problems? Caused by a mage and a veil tear.

 

Most of DAO's problems with the treaty's being upheld are caused by a mage (only things that aren't are the sacred ashes place and the Deep Roads). Even pro mage people like me have to admit... Magic and the fade really are just a constant stream of problems.

[Just My Moniker]

Not to mention that EVERY mage in Kirkwall in DA2 was a blood mage. That Circle deserved to get Annulled. I totally agree with you Andy.

[Maria Caliban]

I'm not saying 'kill them all.' I'm just saying we could kill all the mages in a province and see if over the next twenty to thirty years there isn't a smaller net loss of life.

There's nothing wrong with gathering statistical data.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Pretty much that is what im saying and why i want remove them for good a ton of problems and little help...

 

also you forgotten that main problem (blight) was caused by mage and that are only main quests and 1 person perspective...

[Divine Justinia V]

Oh my god

[Ricky Rozay]

This thread will go places tbh

[Sifr]

I'd say that it's the Demons that like to swarm through those tears and possess everyone that causes most of the problems... get rid of all the demons and we'd have far less of these kinds of incidents!

 

Mages in general just tend to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Or doing the wrong things, at the absolutely worst time.

[Just My Moniker]

Dragon Age Mage logic: "Templars are really mean to me because I might use blood magic,get possessed by a demon. and start killing people. Might as well go slit my wrists and get possessed. That'll show those Templars!"

[Vit246]

Veil tears have also been caused by wars and mundane mass deaths in the Brecilian Forest, Marnas Pell, and even the Ferelden Alienage.

[andy6915]

Uh... I didn't say to kill all mages or anything. I said I'm pro mage. This thread was just to provide some context about how magic can be trouble, you guys took it way too far.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Veil tears have also been caused by wars and mundane mass deaths in the Brecilian Forest, Marnas Pell, and even the Ferelden Alienage.

Brecilian Forest was battle between mages tevinter and elves so no wonder that veil is thin there.As far only demon that was non-mages fault was in ferelden alienage 99 % was possessed mages or summoned by mages or just came with torn veil by mages.

 

 

 

Uh... I didn't say to kill all mages or anything. I said I'm pro mage. This thread was just to provide some context about how magic can be trouble, you guys took it way too far.

Can be and it is are 2 different things.Magic is trouble pretty much at this point we have a lot examples in fact magic is little more than trouble as fact there is little positive things that comes with magic.  

[Mister Gusty]

 

I'm not saying 'kill them all.' I'm just saying we could kill all the mages in a province and see if over the next twenty to thirty years there isn't a smaller net loss of life.

There's nothing wrong with gathering statistical data.

 

Loooooooool, well as long as it's for science!! 

[The Qun & the Damned]

So do psychopathic zealots with swords, a god-complex, and access to highly addictive minerals that can damage them in the long run.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So do psychopathic zealots with swords, a god-complex, and access to highly addictive minerals that can damage them in the long run.

You mean red templars? if you do i agree they need to die. If you mean normal templars answer is nope.

[Ymirr]

Oh no...

[Sifr]

You are forgetting that the Redcliffe storyline was due to Connor trying to help his father, he was just too young and untrained to know what he was doing and ending up getting possessed for his trouble. The kid's only about six, give him some slack.

 

Redcliffe was Isolde's fault really, if she'd had given him over to the Circle and they'd been allowed to train him properly, all that death and destruction would have probably never happened. If Connor was in the Circle, there'd have been no Jowan to be his tutor. No Jowan, no poisoning of Arl Eamon. No poisoning, no Desire Demon with an offer. It was Isolde's pioty, her hatred for her own family's predisposition towards magic and stubborn refusal to send her son to the Circle that ultimately damned Redcliffe.

[Just My Moniker]

Tbh I can sympathize with the mages, they shouldnt be exterminated just because of who they are. But its really hard to feel anything for them when you look at the damage and destruction they can cause when Templars are just trying to do their job and protect people.

[Maria Caliban]

Uh... I didn't say to kill all mages or anything. I said I'm pro mage. This thread was just to provide some context about how magic can be trouble, you guys took it way too far.

Of course not! No one wants to wipe every mage off the face of Thedas. That would be very sad. You would only want to do that if you'd already gathered substantial and rigorous evidence that this might be for the best in the long term.

This is just a brainstorming session.

And the important part of a brainstorming session is that we're all open to ideas.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You are forgetting that the Redcliffe storyline was due to Connor trying to help his father, he was just too young and untrained to know what he was doing and ending up getting possessed for his trouble. The kid's only about six, give him some slack.

 

Redcliffe was Isolde's fault really, if she'd had given him over to the Circle and they'd been allowed to train him properly, all that death and destruction would have probably never happened. If Connor was in the Circle, there'd have been no Jowan to be his tutor. No Jowan, no poisoning of Arl Eamon. No poisoning, no Desire Demon with an offer. It was Isolde's pioty, her hatred for her own family's predisposition towards magic and stubborn refusal to send her son to the Circle that ultimately damned Redcliffe.

 

Hah and so what it is only excuse and hardly changes damage he caused. Pretty much if you want you can start excuse every abomnation because it wasn't mage fault it always is...

 

You would excuse Quentin as well because he just wanted wife he loved but nope hardly matters...

 

So no mage no abomnation...

[Mistress9Nine]

I think it's pretty much fueling itself now. Hatred and fear of mages -> harsh treatment of mages -> mages more willing to do anything to escape this fate -> mage troubles -> more hatred and fear of mages. Rinse and repeat.

[metalfenix]

This thread will go places, yeah, it will.

 

So do psychopathic zealots with swords, a god-complex, and access to highly addictive minerals that can damage them in the long run.

 

And I love to hunt them down on any dragon age game

[The Qun & the Damned]

You mean red templars? if you do i agree they need to die. If you mean normal templars answer is nope.

The majority in Kirkwall seemed incredibly insane without the red lyrium

[TheKomandorShepard]

The majority in Kirkwall seemed incredibly insane without the red lyrium

Haha please who? We have 2 corrupted templars who are worst kind of templars arlik and karas with few loyal peoples that alrik had worst thing they did was raping few mages and that was only that 2 in most corrupted circle in thedas. So no insane templars and well rape of few mages isn't comparable with blights or other disasters sponsored by mages... pretty much only insane templar was meredith and thats because she was red templar...

[superdeathdealer14]

The thread title says it all.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Mages should be free, that's for sure. Maybe all beings should be mages, really Like the ancient Elvhen were.