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[MisterJB]

...what?

We have obviously read different books.

Apparently: 1- Lambert was keeping mages in the Circle as he is supposed to. Justinia sent Leliana to get them out and she killed some Templars along the way.

Therefore, Lambert decided to take the Templars and Seekers way after the Divine sent her agents to kill his people and prevent him from fulfilling his duty.

 

2-Justinia agreed to hold a summit to discuss the Rite of Tranquility. Fiona used it to discuss rebellion which is treasonous and thus illegal; plus, any changes to the matter discussed at a summit must be presented to all involved at least three days before the day of the summit. Lambert was within his rights to end it and arrest Rhys for murder; not the smartest move he ever made but he was in the right.

[Cobra's_back]

So, he obeyed the Divine and thus followed the rules which you were claiming he didn't.

And if you had an inmate go to the basement when he is supposed to be in his quarters and start firing a gun down there, you'd be against imprisioning him?

 

Read the book and you will find out what the Seeker planned to do. The person was not an inmate and technically wasn't charged and nothing was proven.

[Cobra's_back]

Apparently: 1- Lambert was keeping mages in the Circle as he is supposed to. Justinia sent Leliana to get them out and she killed some Templars along the way.

Therefore, Lambert decided to take the Templars and Seekers way after the Divine sent her agents to kill his people and prevent him from fulfilling his duty.

 

2-Justinia agreed to hold a summit to discuss the Rite of Tranquility. Fiona used it to discuss rebellion which is treasonous and thus illegal; plus, any changes to the matter discussed at a summit must be presented to all involved at least three days before the day of the summit. Lambert was within his rights to end it and arrest Rhys for murder; not the smartest move he ever made but he was in the right.

 

 

Read the book again. You got it wrong.

[MisterJB]

Read the book and you will find out what the Seeker planned to do. The person was not an inmate and technically wasn't charged and nothing was proven.

He was breaking curfew and throwing destructive spells around after a member of his political group attempted to assassinate the Divine.

Anyone in Thedas would have locked him up.

[MisterJB]

Read the book again. You got it wrong.

Your argument-free declaration has swayed my mind and showed me the error or my ways.

If I got it wrong, point out how so and please include the number of the pages that prove me wrong.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I have trouble believing that all mages are so susceptible to temptation, possession and blood magic. It seems a bit forced. I have expressed this before, if I were in a position to learn magic, I would gladly just spend a few years toiling away mastering fireballs. Why do so many mages take the lazy route of using blood magic? If they are so afraid of being possessed, you would think they would exercise more caution and be intent on mastering their power, rather than deliberately sabotaging themselves with blood magic. 
 
Anyway, yes, mages do cause a lot of trouble, but it doesn't seem very realistic to me. I would like to see more mages who are responsible and confident in their mastery of their power. Not every mage should be some lazy coward who just happened to stumble upon a book of blood magic.

Why do so many people take the lazy way out? I don't know, why do so many academic students use the internet to find answers, essays, and easy to pass teachers/classes? Why are so many "get results with no work in just days" plans, item, and lifestyles out there with a hugely successful market behind them? Why do people prefer abbreviations to full length readings?

Humans are lazy, its just a fact of life. When humans find a way to take a shortcut without consequences, we take it. And since mages are just humans/elves with 24/7 access to super powers, it makes them very prone to taking much more shortcuts simply because you can't disarm them of the means to take that shortcut like you could with an academic or drug test.

[Cainhurst Crow]

>2014
>Plato
 
Oh wow...

When you major in political science, you learn about Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, and Aquinas. You learn them again, and again, and again, every quarter, for at least 1 course your taking, more so then even thomas hobbes, machiavelli, or john locke, until you can recite their political philosophies in your sleep.

And then you take upper division law and political classes on Marxism or Nietzsche, and learn about why its all bullshit.

[Vasyl]

I have trouble believing that all mages are so susceptible to temptation, possession and blood magic. It seems a bit forced. I have expressed this before, if I were in a position to learn magic, I would gladly just spend a few years toiling away mastering fireballs. Why do so many mages take the lazy route of using blood magic? If they are so afraid of being possessed, you would think they would exercise more caution and be intent on mastering their power, rather than deliberately sabotaging themselves with blood magic. 

 

Anyway, yes, mages do cause a lot of trouble, but it doesn't seem very realistic to me. I would like to see more mages who are responsible and confident in their mastery of their power. Not every mage should be some lazy coward who just happened to stumble upon a book of blood magic. 

I agree with you but I see most mages who turn to blood magic turn to it out of fear and desperation. There are a few innocent blood mages like Marrill who just veiw it as another form of magic and fail to see the danger asociated with demons. Most of the Kirkwall circle turned to it because they were afraid of the templars and being made Tranquill. Orsino was depressed and angry over the deaths of his mages when he turned to blood magic. It seems to me that the problem is the templars being too harsh at times.

[Cobra's_back]

He was breaking curfew and throwing destructive spells around after a member of his political group attempted to assassinate the Divine.

Anyone in Thedas would have locked him up.

 You need to read the book better. Why the murders? How did Cole happen to be invisible? Why was Evangeline really looking  for Rhy? Mages seek to be alone not worth straving them to death. What was Rhy actually doing? What did they actually charge him with?

 

 

Page 78: First Enchanter said, " So are mages now confined to our chambers? Traditionally wehave always been given the run of the tower. 

 

What does that mean? It means they were and it also means that the punishment should not be starvation. 

 

 

I'm not going to give you anymore. I suggest you read it again. There was nothing fair in their treatment of mages.

 

 

Edit find this one on your own clearly in the book: 

 

The Seeker orders were private and secret: Should Pharamond's research disprove the effectiveness of the Rite of Tranquility, Evangeline was to destroy the research and murder all involved in the mission so that there would be no proof and the Divine wouldn't know. 

[MisterJB]

 You need to read the book better. Why the murders? How did Cole happen to be invisible? Why was Evangeline really looking  for Rhy? Mages seek to be alone not worth straving them to death. What was Rhy actually doing? What did they actually charge him with?

 

 

Page 78: First Enchanter said, " So are mages now confined to our chambers? Traditionally wehave always been given the run of the tower. 

 

What does that mean? It means they were and it also means that the punishment should not be starvation. 

 

 

I'm not going to give you anymore. I suggest you read it again. There was nothing fair in their treatment of mages.

Maybe you should read the book again. Tensions were high in the tower after Anders' terrorism and the attempt on the Divine's life. Rhys had already been summoned by the Lord Seeker and found suspicious due to his connection to the Libertarians. (as it turned out, he was right because Rhys ponders at the end of the book that Cole was, most likely, using him to commit the murders.)

Then he leaves the rooms at night, deliberately distracts a Templars which implies he didn't want them to see what he was doing, releases destructive spells in the basements of the tower and refuses to answer the Knight Captain's questions when confronted.

The only reasonable thing to do was to confine him.

[Cainhurst Crow]

You know I often wonder why I can't bring m-80 and roman candle fireworks into an airport, distract the TSA staff so I can start setting them off left and right in the bathrooms, a few days after someone called in a bomb threat, in 2014. They have no right to detain and question me for my actions because at some point in time this stuff was less frowned upon then it is now.

 

I thought I was living in a country that gave me rights.

[Faerlyte]

There's too much imbalance in the representation of mages in Dragon Age. Very few are shown to have moral standards when it comes to the use of blood magic and an overwhelming majority are shown to be abusing their power, which is not accurate of the nature of people. Most of us in the real world are inherently decent folk, though we might not all agree on anything. In reality, the majority of mages would not resort to blood magic - apostate or not - because they would have some moral standards. That is simply flawed writing. 

 

It's anyone's right to be a free person. Anytime there is freedom someone can abuse it, - that's just something we accept as free people - but most of us aren't going to because we enjoy our freedoms and we'd like to keep them. Having magical abilities doesn't change the nature of the individual. They have just as much right to freedom as anyone else, and the vast majority of them are not going to abuse it. You cannot subjugate the whole over the wrongs of a few. It is entirely unethical. And doomed to fail. 

 

This reminds me of gun ownership arguments. 

[EmissaryofLies]

 

There's too much imbalance in the representation of mages in Dragon Age.  

 

 

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the uneven presentation of the mage/templar conflict, would you?

[KainD]

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the uneven presentation of the mage/templar conflict, would you?

 

No imbalance. That's correct. Different sources portray mages in different ways, inconsistent, but nowadays everything is like that. 

[EmissaryofLies]

No imbalance. That's correct. Different sources portray mages in different ways, inconsistent, but nowadays everything is like that. 

 

Tongue in cheek, mon ami.

 

Was referring to the odd hundred something page thread. 

[Faerlyte]

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the uneven presentation of the mage/templar conflict, would you?

 

No imbalance. That's correct. Different sources portray mages in different ways, inconsistent, but nowadays everything is like that. 

I'm referring to bad writing. 

[Divine Justinia V]

I'm moving to Tevinter.

[EmissaryofLies]

Say hello to Feynriel for me. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Will do

[KainD]

I'm referring to bad writing. 

 

Yep. 

[KainD]

I'm moving to Tevinter.

 

You're sure taking your time. 

[EmissaryofLies]

I agree with you but I see most mages who turn to blood magic turn to it out of fear and desperation. There are a few innocent blood mages like Marrill who just veiw it as another form of magic and fail to see the danger asociated with demons. Most of the Kirkwall circle turned to it because they were afraid of the templars and being made Tranquill. Orsino was depressed and angry over the deaths of his mages when he turned to blood magic. It seems to me that the problem is the templars being too harsh at times.

 

Oh most assuredly so. 

 

The mages with ill intent who use blood magic are as bad as any other cutthroat or miscreant.

 

The mages who turn to blood magic when they are facing their death sget a pass in most circumstances, I'm speaking specifically of what we've seen in the narrative. 

 

To blame mages for 'fighting dirty' is amongst the most arrogant bs I've seen spewed on this forum.