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[TheKomandorShepard]

Again please don't spout Chantry propaganda like mages starting the Blight when we know for a fact the tale they tell us is inaccurate. We don't know what caused the Blight period. What we do know is without mages the world would have been destroyed by the Blight. Without the blood magic that was used to make the joining potion there would be no Grey Wardens and without the Grey Wardens the Darkspawn can't be stopped.  So the only thing we know for sure is that mages and blood magic saved the world 7 times. Mages are also the only reason the Qunari didn't concurred all of Thedas and the entire world isn't under a super communist society with no freedoms. So mages saved the world 8 times.

 

I'm not saying that Abominations don't happen in Tevinter I'm saying that they don't occure in a large amount otherwise the Tevinter government would fall apart.  They are capable to having free mages without the risk of their country being destroyed by it or even coming close. Let us not forget Tevinter is the oldest human society on Thedas they didn't last for thousands of years by being a country of Abominations running all over the streets. The Dales is the oldest society in Thedas and their problems with Abomination clearly aren't as grave as you make it otherwise they wouldn't have lasted thousands of years.

 

Play dragon age legacy at least part of it is confirmed by one of magisters that went to golden/black (hardly matters) city and brought taint and whether it was angry maker or just went to place they shouldn't hardly matters as they brought taint... haha please mages created blights and now you paint them as heroes because they extinguished orphanage that set fire in themselves?spare me not mention that i hardly see besides codex that says a lot things mage being big help in qunari wars so nope...

And fenris said otherwise and either common sense says that...

 

 

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So show me any other country that tried blow up entire world or was close to doing that in da universe...

 

 

But wasn't he talking specifically about magisters? And isn't he the same guy who absolutely despises mages and will find fault in the majority of them? Is he not the same person who ratted out Emile de Launcet to Meredith out of spite? 

 

Awfully specific number for such a wild assumption about a place we haven't even been to. Not to mention that the only people we've heard about it from are drinking the Chantry koolaid or dislike mages in general. 

Even circle mages need blood magic well that why his friend (now black divine) reached for blood magic and they laughed lambert for naivety. Well lets be honest when fenris hate mages and speak about how bad they are this guy was right for most of the time about mages so he have point...

 

Well every person speaks about tevinter as villains with black morality as far it has ben proven truth...

 

I don't care who they are, we both see how bad they are. I've also seen strong mages and blood mages that were miles more competent. Hell even Jowan floored the first enchanter, the knight commander and a bunch of templars, he was a better blood mage than those scrubs. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I am an insane powerful psycho, watch out, rawr. Mages will take over the world, and you can't stop us.

 

1.Yeah jowan who catched them off-guard (lol despite that they accused him of being blood mage) yes templars are stupid thats why i want new anti-magical order...

2.That explain a lot just replace mages with demons and will fit...

 

 

The Golden City was already tainted before the Magisters even got there so using our friend basic logic they didn't cause the Blight.

 

Go find the person that made the Golden City black then blame that person like any reasonable person would.
 

Facepalm... who went to black city in power hunger (color of the city doesn't matter) black city would be always black not golden so well and who brought taint to thedas? mages!

 

*cough* Joining Ritual *cough* 

And how do you know that joining is blood magic or even magic not alchemy? Besides even devs said that blood magic being evil.

 

 

To be fair about this particular point:

1) Devs did a really bad job if that was their intention. 

2) Now they go and retcon stuff, which I don't really like,

 

But hey, it's their world. I don't really care. I personally think blood magic is for weak mages anyway, that don't have enough natural power to cast stronger spells without it, though I guess it's a good way to conserve mana. 

 

I have to agree i saw blood magic as rather in grey morality in first game but then they changed series and i started see that as just simple to be evil for psychos recently they confirmed that intention to blood magic being evil...

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I always think that picture when Tevinter and Blight relationship is brought up. It was supposed to not be fully serious. 

 

However, logic dictates that they still brought the Taint back with them, as evidenced by everything about Corypheus, so only the first part of the story isn't true.

 

Sorry I'm not hip with all the pic humor

 

We don't know that they are the ones that brought the Blight to Thedas. Remember that the Blight first started in the Deep Road but if the Magisters are the ones that brought it first then the Darkspawn would have started on the surface. I think the Dwarves found some Red Lyrium did some crazy stuff and got their people infected. That would fully explain why it started in the Deep Roads and why it was so utterly their first.

 

Again if it was the Magisters first it would at least be equal part surface and Deep Roads but it was completely in the Roads first which wouldn't make much sense.

[KainD]

Well every person speaks about tevinter as villains with black morality as far it has ben proven truth...

 

Who's that every person? lol

 

 

1.Yeah jowan who catched them off-guard (lol despite that they accused him of being blood mage) yes templars are stupid thats why i want new anti-magical order...

2.That explain a lot just replace mages with demons and will fit...

 

Oh so you also see scrubs among the ranks of people who train in arts that you otherwise like.

Nah, demons will serve mages as well. 

[Divine Justinia V]

So show me any other country that tried blow up entire world or was close to doing that in da universe...

 

Blowing something up is not the only definition of destructive, if at all.

[Br3admax]

The case study of one Wynne. 

 

She is capable of causing harm, but she is not likely to cause harm. 

 

First you have to prove that she is possessed, which you can't since nothing really supports this besides your opinion. Second, saying that there is an exception does not make it okay to just throw open the floodgates. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Blowing something up is not the only definition of destructive, if at all.

i meant destroying world only insane person would want destroy world peoples sure want power and rule the world but not to destroy it... so last thing we can expect from orlesians is destroying world...

 

 

 

Who's that every person? lol

 

 

 

Oh so you also see scrubs among the ranks of people who train in arts that you otherwise like.

Nah, demons will serve mages as well. 

 

Every person tha ever told us something about tevinter?

 

Templars they would kick mages (not abomnations) but still sadly they are an idiots...

Yeah and it will work as always another disaster pretty much you are prove why mages need to be choped

[EmissaryofLies]

Pffffft.

Templars?

Using Blood Magic?

As if.

 

Next thing you know they'll be slaughtering the Dalish to enter the fade!

 

Oh I despair! Where did we go wrong, Justinia!?

[KainD]

First you have to prove that she is possessed/

 

Erm, she says it herself. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Magic has caused problem in Thedas, but I think the questions posed by the narrative repeat to the same theme in the mage vs Chantry issue.

 

A.) Should an entire demographic be punished for the choices of a minority inside of their ranks?

B.) If you answered yes, can you effectively punish them? Will they submit to your plan and, if they do not, what then?

[KainD]

i meant destroying world only insane person would want destroy world peoples sure want power and rule the world but not to destroy it... so last thing we can expect from orlesians is destroying world...

 

As if Tevinter wants to destroy the world.. 

[Divine Justinia V]

First you have to prove that she is possessed, which you can't since nothing really supports this besides your opinion.

 

?except she tells us and we have the ability and we visibly see it aid her?

[EmissaryofLies]

First you have to prove that she is possessed, which you can't since nothing really supports this besides your opinion. Second, saying that there is an exception does not make it okay to just throw open the floodgates. 

 

What the hell are you even talking about?

 

I said nothing of opening floodgates, you got me mixed up, champ. 

[Divine Justinia V]

i meant destroying world only insane person would want destroy world peoples sure want power and rule the world but not to destroy it... so last thing we can expect from orlesians is destroying world...

 

Okay but where's your source that all Mages want to destroy the world?

 

Next thing you know they'll be slaughtering the Dalish to enter the fade!

 

Oh I despair! Where did we go wrong, Justinia!?

 

Perhaps it started when we decided to lobotomize living people, but I digress!

[KainD]

Magic has caused problem in Thedas, but I think the questions posed by the narrative repeat to the same theme in the mage vs Chantry issue.

 

A.) Should an entire demographic be punished for the choices of a minority inside of their ranks?

B.) If you answered yes, can you effectively punish them? Will they submit to your plan and, if they do not, what then?

 

A) If the entire demographic doesn't share the same views on basic life principals and don't agree with the said minorities, and wouldn't do the same choices, then that's a crappy demographic and it needs some purging until they can co-exist together properly. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

As if Tevinter wants to destroy the world.. 

Yeah because insane blood mages like tarohne (that was her name), grace , magisters that went to the black city and many other abomnations didn't...

as i said tevinter was only country that was close to destroying world just in their power hunger and thats what they have a lot just take your time before they will want reach for power in another destructive way like most of mages...

 

 

 

Okay but where's your source that all Mages want to destroy the world?

 

 

Perhaps it started when we decided to lobotomize living people, but I digress!

 

Oh my god when i did say all mages? If we exclude potential of doing that in disaster like magisters and blight we have demonic possession and pretty much 1 mage can tear veil and summon army of demons and 1 almost did it for the hell of it...

 

There can be nice mages but still they can become abomnation as well as "evil" mages and well i doubt that even "evil" mages want destroy world unless they end insane thanks to blood magic and/or possession but both nice and good mage can cause disaster (and we saw a lot of them) that may destroy world or become abomnation...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

How did anyone try to "blow up the world"? I don't think we've ever gotten any impression that the world was in danger of exploding. lol

[Divine Justinia V]

How did anyone try to "blow up the world"? I don't think we've ever gotten any impression that the world was in danger of exploding. lol

 

lmfao noooo I'm out of likes but this made me lol

[EmissaryofLies]

The beatings will continue until morale improves. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Okay but where's your source that all Mages want to destroy the world?

In his

[KainD]

Yeah because insane blood mages like tarohne (that was her name), grace , magisters that went to the black city and many other abomnations didn't...

 

No they didn't. You are correct. 

 

 

as i said tevinter was only country that was close to destroying world just in their power hunger and thats what they have a lot just take your time before they will want reach for power in another destructive way like most of mages...

 

Doesn't matter. World still stands, destroying it wasn't their intention. Heck Tevinter made the first wardens to fix their mistakes. 

[MrMrPendragon]

Yes I do agree that they cause a lot of problems.

But I guess normal people can cause big problems too, if they wanted to. Loghain and Howe for example.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@TKS

 

Tevinter doesn't want to destroy the world. Tevinter wants to rule the world. Big difference.

[EmissaryofLies]

How did anyone try to "blow up the world"? I don't think we've ever gotten any impression that the world was in danger of exploding. lol

 

I don't know about that. 

 

That mad bomber in Awakening was nothing to trifle with. 

[KainD]

Yes I do agree that they cause a lot of problems.

But I guess people can cause big problems too, if they wanted to. Loghain and Howe for example.

 

Mages are not people. 

[MrMrPendragon]

Mages are not people.

Sorry I edited it to "normal people". I guess the edit came too late.