Kain...I don't think that's right.
Mages use their natural mana reserve to cast spells, also they can use lyrium or blood to cast spells. When a mage doesn't have enough natural mana supply to cast something they have no choice other than to resort to using lyrium or blood, the only difference is blood is a lot more potent.
why
Because there is a reson why even powerful mages reach for it in tevinter? It only not make your spells stronger but also can be used to make you more powerfull see tevinter slaver in ferelden alienage...
Because there is a reson why even powerful mages reach for it in tevinter? It only not make your spells stronger but also can be used to make you more powerfull see tevinter slaver in ferelden alienage...
It's not the blood magic that makes you more powerful it's the spell that he cast. He used slaves as a resource for that spell, since he isn't powerful enough to cast such a spell without that resource.
Why would that necessarily be true though? I don't think his theory is able to be backed up by lore, at least all of the lore that I have read.
Mages use their natural mana reserve to cast spells, also they can use lyrium or blood to cast spells. When a mage doesn't have enough natural mana supply to cast something they have no choice other than to resort to using lyrium or blood, the only difference is blood is a lot more potent.
It's not the blood magic that makes you more powerful it's the spell that he cast. He used slaves as a resource for that spell, since he isn't powerful enough to cast such a spell without that resource.
Blood magic if fueled by pain greater pain more poweful spell pretty much jowan who couldn't light candle and took few templars with KC and FE gives good look on that it in fact increases the power of the spells...
Not mention mage in asunder who couldn't hurt Evangeline when not on blood magic but with same spell powered by blood magic he seriously hurted her
OK everyone this conversation has run its course its time for the Mages to rise again and for the mundane to take their place at our feet... it is their natural place after all. It isn't evil or malicious its simply evolution. Mages are more than Mundanes are and as soon as both sides realize this all this pointless fighting can end and the world can be at harmony again.
OK everyone this conversation has run its course its time for the Mages to rise again and for the mundane to take their place at our feet... it is their natural place after all. It isn't evil or malicious its simply evolution. Mages are more than Mundanes are and as soon as both sides realize this all this pointless fighting can end and the world can be at harmony again.
Yeah mages are in good way to rule the world (look on their win-lose status) ups they aren't...
Why would that necessarily be true though? I don't think his theory is able to be backed up by lore, at least all of the lore that I have read.
Mages use their natural mana reserve to cast spells, also they can use lyrium or blood to cast spells. When a mage doesn't have enough natural mana supply to cast something they have no choice other than to resort to using lyrium or blood, the only difference is blood is a lot more potent.
That still doesn't explain why Kain thinks blood magic wouldn't make an innately stronger mage much stronger.
OK everyone this conversation has run its course its time for the Mages to rise again and for the mundane to take their place at our feet... it is their natural place after all. It isn't evil or malicious its simply evolution. Mages are more than Mundanes are and as soon as both sides realize this all this pointless fighting can end and the world can be at harmony again.
Of course. It's obvious we're all more powerful than mundanes and have so much power that if we get upset we could destroy the world. I mean if TheKomandorShepard says it then it must be perfectly logically true.
Of course. It's obvious we're all more powerful than mundanes and have so much power that if we get upset we could destroy the world. I mean if TheKomandorShepard says it then it must be perfectly logically true.
That they are dangerous doesn't mean they are powerfull...
That they are dangerous doesn't mean they are powerfull...
EVERYONE CAN BE DANGEROUS GIVEN THE RIGHT CONDITION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE KILL EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY COULD BE DANGEROUS.
Blood magic if fueled by pain greater pain more poweful spell pretty much jowan who couldn't light candle and took few templars with KC and FE gives good look on that it in fact increases the power of the spells...
Not mention mage in asunder who couldn't hurt Evangeline when not on blood magic but with same spell powered by blood magic he seriously hurted her
Blood magic is fueled by blood, not pain.
Yes the mage had a poor natural mana supply and used blood magic instead to give the spell more juice that otherwise couldn't be done.
EVERYONE CAN BE DANGEROUS GIVEN THE RIGHT CONDITION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE KILL EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY COULD BE DANGEROUS.
Nuke is dangerous human as well but danger is different so you treat differently same with cat and bear...
Blood magic is fueled by blood, not pain.
Yes the mage had a poor natural mana supply and used blood magic instead to give the spell more juice that otherwise couldn't be done.
And yet he used same spell as he before and this time spell was much more powerfull so it increases of the spell so well...
Nuke is dangerous human as well but danger is different so you treat differently same with cat and bear...
Mages are still people you ... I don't know magist.
Yeah mages are in good way to rule the world (look on their win-lose status) ups they aren't...
Mages are the only people that ever unified Thedas. Mages are the only thing keeping the Qunari from enslaving you all. Mages are the reason the mundane aren't still hunting with sharp sticks. The Imperial highway that your kind rely on was built by us. All the meaningful structures in every mundane society that we've ever seen in the game was built by us (Every Magi Tower, Ostegar, The Gallows ect) Your governments are so incapable of making anything that their capitals are built on the very greatness of our infrastructure.
Without mage rule the mundane have done nothing but war against themselves and fight over scraps of land in a mad dash for power. The chaos of the sheep ruling themselves has to end.
Mages are still people you ... I don't know magist.
So what if nuke person showed goverment would treat it in different way and i can tell less nice way despite it being person...
Mages are the only people that ever unified Thedas. Mages are the only thing keeping the Qunari from enslaving you all. Mages are the reason the mundane aren't still hunting with sharp sticks. The Imperial highway that your kind rely on was built by us. All the meaningful structures in every mundane society that we've ever seen in the game was built by us (Every Magi Tower, Ostegar, The Gallows ect) Your governments are so incapable of making anything that their capitals are built on the very greatness of our infrastructure.
Without mage rule the mundane have done nothing but war against themselves and fight over scraps of land in a mad dash for power. The chaos of the sheep ruling themselves has to end.
Pff do i have to tell you that tevinter was pretty much one of first human cultures and only empire in thedas their only enemies were elves or pretty much wild barbarians rather not much to handle now tevinter couldn't even have chance to conquer thedas.So yeah have how it looks in reality for mages
Right pls don't get too worked up about the numbers, just try to understand the principle:
That still doesn't explain why Kain thinks blood magic wouldn't make an innately stronger mage much stronger.
It would, I just said not a lot, unless many blood vessels are involved. Imagine that a mage has 100 mana, but if he cuts himself he can draw 500 more mana from his blood. Now imagine he has 10 people to sacrifice, so he can draw 5000 more mana from those bodies. 5000 vs 100, that's a freaking huge power-spike. Of course I believe that a mage has to be somewhat powerful on their own as well to draw power from blood, I believe that logically some mana has to be used to establish the link between the blood and the caster. So say 10 mana for every 500 blood mana, so the mage wouldn't be able to go beyond 5000, unless he had a bigger natural reserve of say 150, then his blood limit would be say 7500 etc, etc.
Now imagine that a mage is a ridiculously powerful mage, and has a natural mana supply of 10000. And from his blood he can draw 500 more.
10000 vs 10500, not a big difference eh? Unless of course again there are hundreds of slaves around to sacrifice.
You are right that potentially a powerful blood mage could be infinitely more powerful, but that infinite power comes from from the supply of blood that they have access to.
I was talking to TKS basically about magister vs magister, but realistically, what magister is going to sacrifice 1000+ fine slaves in every fight? And if not, and if they are powerful, they don't even really need to.
And yet he used same spell as he before and this time spell was much more powerfull so it increases of the spell so well...
Facepalm..
How does that contradict what I have said? What does your ''and yet'' stand for?
Facepalm..
How does that contradict what I have said? What does your ''and yet'' stand for?
Because you said all it gives you is mana and not make spell more powerful? What was pretty much my point and thats why it doesn't matter because it make you much stronger and that how it works in tevinter and thats why most powerful magisters in tevinter are blood mages to kepp their power...
Because you said all it gives you is mana and not make spell more powerful?
Mana makes spells more powerful...
Mana makes spells more powerful...
which pretty much kills point of what you have said arguing me over that...
which pretty much kills point of what you have said arguing me over that...
Huh?
So i haven't checked this thread in a while, last time i was here it was 3 pages.
Have any progress been made in any way? Has people changed their opinion, or acknowledged that both sides have positives and negatives?
No? Carry on 
So i haven't checked this thread in a while, last time i was here it was 3 pages.
Have any progress been made in any way? Has people changed their opinion, or acknowledged that both sides have positives and negatives?
No? Carry on
This thread is like a trainwreck, you don't want to look but you can't help but rush in to collect some piece of flaming debre to take home as a sovenir.
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