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[Exaltation]

My favorite part about DAI is that Mage haters will be partially connected to Magic due to The Inquisitor's Fade-hand-thingy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The thread title says it all.

My favorite part is how it implies the Veil causes a lot of problems. The Veil aka the thing that keeps all the demons out and whose absence creates the plot of the game of restoring the Veil.  

[spinachdiaper]

it's totally a situation where enforcement is as much to blame as the ones being enforced upon, in a extreme hypothetical situation if the USA repealed the Emancipation Proclamation no one would willingly tolerate the return of slavery so why would mages not fight for their freedom using any means possible

[Sifr]

Hah and so what it is only excuse and hardly changes damage he caused. Pretty much if you want you can start excuse every abomnation because it wasn't mage fault it always is...

 

You would excuse Quentin as well because he just wanted wife he loved but nope hardly matters...

 

So no mage no abomnation...

 

Not saying it was an excuse, just that there were mitigating factors! Plus, you're arguing that you should kill a six-year-old boy for being stupid enough to get possessed, when he was only untrained because his mother wouldn't admit he was a mage!

 

As I said before, no Demons, no Abominations.

 

You do realise that they can possess people who aren't Mages, right? And even cross over without possessing anyone? They'd still get through, it's just easier to hitch a lift on a Mage due to their stronger connection to the Fade.

 

You're essentially saying that is that it's perfectly safe to be around a hungry lion, if you've killed all the gazelles. That's not how it works. That lion would still eat you, all you did by killing the gazelle was remove it's favourite food from the picture and turned it's attention towards you.

[Exaltation]

The Chantry and Templars should hunt down The Maker instead lol,after all he created Magic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not saying it was an excuse, just that there were mitigating factors! Plus, you're arguing that you should kill a six-year-old boy for being stupid enough to get possessed, when he was only untrained because his mother wouldn't admit he was a mage!

 

As I said before, No Demons, no Abominations.

 

You do realise that they can possess people who aren't Mages, right? And even cross over without possessing anyone? They'd still get through, it's just easier to hitch a lift on a Mage due to their stronger connection to the Fade.

 

You're essentially saying that is that it's perfectly safe to be around a hungry lion, if you've killed all the gazelles. That's not how it works. That lion would still eat you, all you did by killing the gazelle was remove it's favourite food from the picture and turned it's attention towards you.

There will be always mitigating factors if you want found them life have many factors that will make an abomnation better 6 year old than hundreds of peoples or even millions same rule for mages...

 

Not rly remove isolde connor could still become abomnation in another circumstances remove connor from pic there is no abomnation ever at least not connor.

 

And again not rly as demon need to already cross veil in order to possess non-mage which pretty much without mages demon would achieve through torned veil.

[andy6915]

My favorite part is how it implies the Veil causes a lot of problems. The Veil aka the thing that keeps all the demons out and whose absence creates the plot of the game of restoring the Veil.

No, I specfically said that the fade is part of the problem and that veil tearing is the issue. Let me quote part of my own post.
 

Magic and the fade really are just a cobnstant stream of problems.

[Klidi]

That's too much of simplification and generalisation.

 

Soldier's Peak was caused by a Warden Commander who violated one of the basic GW's rules - political neutrality and tried to overthrow a king, ordering the mage to summon demons. The mage had, in fact, kept the demons within the SP and prevented them to cause more damage.

 

Redcliffe problem was caused by a failed assassination attempt on Arl Eamon ordered by Loghain. If Connor didn't try to save his Daddy, he wouldn't become possessed.

 

The Tower problem was caused by a mage, yes - but it was an escalation of long oppression of mages by Templars.%2

[Sifr]

There will be always mitigating factors if you want found them life have many factors that will make an abomnation better 6 year old than hundreds of peoples or even millions same rule for mages...

 

Not rly remove isolde connor could still become abomnation in another circumstances remove connor from pic there is no abomnation ever at least not connor.

 

And again not rly as demon need to already cross veil in order to possess non-mage which pretty much without mages demon would achieve through torned veil.

 

But if he was trained properly, he'd not get possessed. How many Mage children that go to the Circle (or Apostate children with Mage parents) do we hear about getting possessed? It's drilled into them from Day One, "Just Say No!"

 

So you're basically saying that all Mages are Guilty until proven Innocent? And you agree with the Ser Alrik "Final Solution" of Kill or Tranquil them all?

 

It's never been proven that Mages are the only ones capable of tearing the Veil, death on any large scale seems enough to do it. Redcliffe for instance has had a bloody history of conflict, mostly those between warring banns or tribal conflict before Ferelden was united, which was enough for Connor's demon to raise all those Undead.

[andy6915]

That's too much of simplification and generalisation.

 

Soldier's Peak was caused by a Warden Commander who violated one of the basic GW's rules - political neutrality and tried to overthrow a king, ordering the mage to summon demons. The mage had, in fact, kept the demons within the SP and prevented them to cause more damage.

 

Redcliffe problem was caused by a failed assassination attempt on Arl Eamon ordered by Loghain. If Connor didn't try to save his Daddy, he wouldn't become possessed.

 

The Tower problem was caused by a mage, yes - but it was an escalation of long oppression of mages by Templars.%2

 

 

No, he would have summoned demons regardless of his orders.

 

 

33:07

 

"She have the order. I would have summoned them anyway."

 

Besides, yeah he held the demons back... And was the one who caused demons to need to be held back in the first place.

[renfrees]

Right, burn all the mages! Onward!

 

I'm with you, OP. Magic is a curse.

[andy6915]

Right, burn all the mages! Onward!

How 'bout no?

[Klidi]

Haha please who? We have 2 corrupted templars who are worst kind of templars arlik and karas with few loyal peoples that alrik had worst thing they did was raping few mages and that was only that 2 in most corrupted circle in thedas. So no insane templars and well rape of few mages isn't comparable with blights or other disasters sponsored by mages... pretty much only insane templar was meredith and thats because she was red templar...

 

The circle in Kirwall would not be corrupted if not for corrupted Templars.It's hard to believe that under a Knight Commander such as Meredith, there would be only two corrupted templars.  They abused the mages, raping them, threatening them with tranquility for almost anything - and they would do it, too.

 

Such behaviour unavoidably leads to corruption, conflicts and war. The mages become more lable, and the chance they will turn into abomination increase, if they are under great emotional pressure. Templars know that - yet in Kirkwall, they ignored it for long years.

 

Compare it to Rivain, where mages were allowed to live with their families, where they were respected and treaded like any other people... and we see where the problem is. Not in mages.

[Ricky Rozay]

[renfrees]

How 'bout no?

No? Well, then you have a problem - Soldier's Peak, Redcliffe, Brecilian forest etc.

[TurretSyndrome]

Boy, I sure would be excited to be a Mage in the real world with all you folks around.

 

You know, sometimes I wish we were all transported to DAverse like in one of those anime. I'd like to see people talking about killing mages while gathering statistics then. Better, I would like to see all who say "kill them all" become mages in DAverse, that would be quite intriguing to watch.

[andy6915]

No? Well, then you have a problem - Soldier's Peak, Redcliffe, Brecilian forest etc.

Genocide is not an answer.

[Sifr]

Amusingly, it's the Maker's fault if you look at the Chantry lore, since he created a Veil to separate the Fade and Thedas.

 

I submit that he either didn't built it properly or called some cowboy builders in and got screwed by the deal. He was also not happy with the decorating job he asked them to do on his city, since it was the wrong colour. He's not gone, he's just been busy trying to hunt them down to get his money back.

 

[renfrees]

Genocide is not an answer.

What is your solution then?

[The Qun & the Damned]

Haha please who? We have 2 corrupted templars who are worst kind of templars arlik and karas with few loyal peoples that alrik had worst thing they did was raping few mages and that was only that 2 in most corrupted circle in thedas. So no insane templars and well rape of few mages isn't comparable with blights or other disasters sponsored by mages... pretty much only insane templar was meredith and thats because she was red templar...

Ser Varnell

Ser Mettin

the majority of ser Alrik's men that baited Anders with Karl

templars who helped Varnell kidnap and murder Qunari delegates

Ser Mettin's enterouge who was half ready to slay someone who harbored their half-dead relative

An entire troon of templars ready to slay any Dalish for harboring Feynriel

and

Mother Petrice's "Righteous mob"

 

Besides, magic is only dangerous to people who have ****** training and are already evil to begin, it's a tool like a sword or a tongue

[Sifr]

What is your solution then?

 

Anything is better than wiping them out on the pretext of something they might do.

 

By that logic, anyone in Thedas with a sword should be killed because they might use it to kill someone. Or you should castrate everyone, because otherwise they might have children who grow up to kill someone. Punishing people for things they might do is ridiculous.

[Noxis6]

Genocide is not an answer.

Its not event a sollution that would work unless you kill every human,elf and qunari in Thedas there will always be new mages,seems kind of impractical to me

[andy6915]

What is your solution then?

Mine? Check my thread from January, I outlined my solution there.

 

http://forum.bioware...emplar-problem/

[DKJaigen]

YeaaaahHHHHH !!!!!! righteous genocide on those mage fuc'''! what is righteous genocide? you can kill a lot of people and feel totally good for it!

But seriously killing the mages will not solve nothing and will strip you of the most powerful defence you against the tevinters, qunuari, dragons , darkspawn and demons who all will be laughing at you when you have killed all mages.

[renfrees]

Anything is better than wiping them out on the pretext of something they might do.

 

By that logic, anyone in Thedas with a sword should be killed because they might use it to kill someone. Or you should castrate everyone, because otherwise they might have children who grow up to kill someone. Punishing people for things they might do is ridiculous.

Bah, I'm done. Either me or BSN have incompatible sense of humor.