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[ladyoflate]

I'm gonna say killing all mages is not necessary. Like, Rivain and the Dalish overall seem to be doing pretty okay. Possibly because they don't tell a certain group of people that they're horrible sins (chantry) or totes awesome better than everyone else (tevinter) from a young age. Like, that's going to give that group of people problems. That's been proven. So too it's been proven that when you give one group life or death power over another group with no otherwise connections, it's also going to turn out badly. Even before you add in all the horrible sin stuff. There are entirely sensible solutions to the problems, but they mostly involve ignoring the visceral/emotional response to situations so they're mostly ignored.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

And the fun part is that the demons in all likely hood did have such a conversation.

 

From now on I'm giving every Demon I encounter in DA a Valley Girl/Frat Boy/Surfer Dude inner monologue.

 

It will be most enjoyable.

[Divine Justinia V]

 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes kain you can do that what usually which means twist my words so it could sound illogically i gave reason behind everything all you did "not every mage is same" which i didn't even said they were...

 

 

 

The Inquisitor can be a nonmage yet can close the Breaches. It is only logical that a nonmage could have that power but in reverse so it opens the Breaches.

 

Pretty much it is caused by explosion not natural possible possession involved thats why that theory is so popular...

[DKJaigen]

The Inquisitor can be a nonmage yet can close the Breaches. It is only logical that a nonmage could have that power but in reverse so it opens the Breaches.

 

Not to mention that their are normal people that become spirit warriors. .perhaps dragons did it. perhaps the veil tears are a natural occurrence. Perhaps sandal did it the sneaky little bastard

[Hanako Ikezawa]

From now on I'm giving every Demon I encounter in DA a Valley Girl/Frat Boy/Surfer Dude inner monologue.

 

It will be most enjoyable.

So they will basically be like the evil robot clones of Bill and Ted? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Pretty much it is caused by explosion not natural possible possession involved thats why that theory is so popular...

Or the explosion was a result of the action. You know, like what every single explosion is in science. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So they will basically be like the evil robot clones of Bill and Ted? 

 

Exactly! It will be most excellent.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not to mention that their are normal people that become spirit warriors. perhaps the dragons did it. perhaps dragoans did it. perhaps the veil tears are a natural occurrence. Perhaps sandal did it the sneaky little bastard

"Although spirit warriors employ magical abilities, they are not mages; instead, they flirt with inhabitants of the Fade who agree to augment mortal abilities in exchange for a glimpse of the physical world."

 

Spirits and demons involved which mean that non-mage made contact with them so well mage had to be involved as well...

[Dean_the_Young]

It's really too bad that you have absolutely no proof of these assertions. Thrask and Cullen were not 'protecting' them, or they were doing so rather badly. Illegally tranquiled mages, rapes and beatings do not equivocate 'protection'. Your misinformation is rampant here. Show me where they were being protected and I'll show you exactly where they failed.

 

Illegally tranquilized mages, rapes, and beating to not equivocate the norm either, and yet you are using that as the standard.

 

More than that, you are using the existence of abuses as the proof of personal failure- a standard of argument that can just as well be turned around on mages.

 

The mage underground and Anders were assisting in the 'misbehavior' that you seem to find reprehensible, yet you claim it to be protection when it suits your purposes.

 

I don't believe I've ever called the mage underground reprehensible, but whether they are or not it doesn't change that they are trying to act on the behalf of mages. Anders can be crazy and try to destroy threats to the mages- the two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

The problem is that you have not a shred of proof that he "maintained correspondence with a known serial killer". A letter with no date does not constitute proof.

 

 

When the letter in question references a continued correspondence and exchange of information, and enables the transfer of an advanced ritual, it rather does.

 

My dear friend,

I have obtained the books you requested. I'll leave them at our usual hiding spot. Please collect them as soon as possible. I would hate to see them in the wrong hands!

Your last letter was fascinating! You have proven me wrong, once again, by doing the impossible. I shouldn't have doubted your resolve, and I hope you will keep me apprised of further progress.

Your friend and colleague,

 

 

As I said, I do not begrudge mages(circle mages, whom I've been referring to in this entire discourse) from fleeing their probable demise in Kirkwall's circle. Unless of course you mean Grace and her ilk of the Starkhaven circle. Whom only one, Grace was a practicing Malificar. You can say Alain, but I would fervently disagree. Nothing about his characterization supports such a notion. I suppose you have Huon. Who only lost it as a by product of his time in the circle.

 

 

So basically there are no misbehaving mages if we categorically dismiss various forms of misbehavior as counting, especially on the bases of an exaggerated fear of 'their probable demise.'

 

Unless that last part was must metagaming, but that makes little sense for the rationals of the characters involved.

 
 

Meredith defending Kirkwall was a matter of self preservation, not some noble deed. She had a gun to her head and she acted. By all intents and purposes Meredith essentially was Kirkwall. From the shadows in the previous acts to outright declaring it in Act III

 

 

Except she doesn't claim that in Act III. Nor does anyone else claim she's only out for herself. You have assigned a motivation without proof to support it, that no one in the game (herself or Anders) claims she takes.

 

Meredith having a self-interest in defending Kirkwall is not exclusive with her helping other people by defending Kirkwall. Everyone in Kirkwall has a self-interest in defending Kirkwall.

 

The same would apply for Orsino if he had a semblance of power, the only power he had was the power that Knight Commander Crazy allotted him. Which wasn't much at all.

 

 

Orisino does have power and influence- unless you intend to argue that Meredith allotted him the power to prevent her from searching mage quarters, and other policies.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Or the explosion was a result of the action. You know, like what every single explosion is in science. 

Well it is clear that villain is responsible for that and after explosion inq have power so pretty much it was caused by that so not natural... and as i said possible possession (but i hope it isn't in case).

[DKJaigen]

"Although spirit warriors employ magical abilities, they are not mages; instead, they flirt with inhabitants of the Fade who agree to augment mortal abilities in exchange for a glimpse of the physical world."

 

Spirits and demons involved which mean that non-mage made contact with them so well mage had to be involved as well...

 

And once again this is subjective and just theory. And your wrong once again because we see plenty of normal people coming into contact with spirits.

[EmissaryofLies]

It is the only logical conclusion. He went to an outside party because, according to him, the Templars would place the blame for those blood mages and Abominations on every mage. Therefore, it does not make sense for him to approach Meredith afterwards and confess that yes, there were mages from the Circle of Kirkwall practicing blood magic but they are gone now, please don't be mad at us when he could simply keep his mouth shut and avoid taking responsability for his charge's actions.

Yes, but the word conceal seems like he's merely trying to cover it up and that he is unconcerned about blood mages. When in fact, by his word alone he is concerned. He himself hadn't even practiced blood magic until the immortal Hawke and nutjob Meredith were coming to cut him down. That all depends on whether you believe him or not, but he has no reason to lie in his final moments. Despite his mysterious connection with Quentin, I've little reason to believe that Orsino is a fan of blood magic or maleficarum in general.
 

Which, BTW, brings us to a point I don't often see adressed. Everyone, rigthfully, blames Meredith for failing to control templars like Karras but no one seems to do the same for Orsino when his charges are the ones breaking the law.

I can understand that, especially in the previous acts. The problem is that Meredith was pulling Kirkwall's strings. Orsino did not have any real power. If Orsino and Meredith had a relationship like Irving's and Greagoir's, I could agree.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well it is clear that villain is responsible for that and after explosion inq have power so pretty much it was caused by that so not natural... and as i said possible possession (but i hope it isn't in case).

I know, but what we don't know is who caused it. Could be mages, could be demons directly, could be a nonmage possessed by a demon, or could be a nonmage who set off an explosion and that due to all the lyrium in the area had so much magic involved it punched through the Veil. Could even be all of the above. There is no evidence to start casting blame on anyone yet. 

[AresKeith]

Mages man....

[TheKomandorShepard]

And once again this is subjective and just theory. And your wrong once again because we see plenty of normal people coming into contact with spirits.

Like?just as I thought...

 

 

I know, but what we don't know is who caused it. Could be mages, could be demons directly, could be a nonmage possessed by a demon, or could be a nonmage who set off an explosion and that due to all the lyrium in the area had so much magic involved it punched through the Veil. There is no evidence to start casting blame on anyone set. 

As i said it end on mage or demon (and here end on mage as well) So either it is mage so well mage blame , demon well demon somehow must end in thedas (so mages thanks) , and nonmage possessed by demons so demon again would have to be drag to thedas by mage and still as non-mage demon don't have magic . so every scenario involves mage...

[Hellion Rex]

 

Mages man....

 

...are freaking awesome!

[AresKeith]

...are freaking awesome!

 

Na na chill

[mikeymoonshine]

Like?just as I thought...

 

 

As i said it end on mage or demon (and here end on mage as well) So either it is mage so well mage blame , demon well demon somehow must end in thedas (so mages thanks) , and nonmage possessed by demons so demon again would have to be drag to thedas by mage and still as non-mage demon don't have magic . so every scenario involves mage...

 

You are equating mages with demons just because demons can possess mages but if it's demons that doesn't mean mages are to blame. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Na na chill

 

Na, you chill

 

using my quote & ******

[Hellion Rex]

Na na chill

Na na na, come on

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Like?just as I thought...

 

 

As i said it end on mage or demon (and here end on mage as well) So either it is mage so well mage blame , demon well demon somehow must end in thedas (so mages thanks) , and nonmage possessed by demons so demon again would have to be drag to thedas by mage and still as non-mage demon don't have magic . so every scenario involves mage...

So you have nothing but your opinion to back this up? Good to know. 

 

Now let me try.

Mages: Self-explanatory.

 

Demons directly: There are spirits, and thus demons, who have existed on our side of the Fade. Look at the Lady of the Forest. She was the spirit of the Brecilian Forest, not from the Fade. Plus a powerful enough demon or spirit can cross the Veil from their side just as easily as we can cross from our side. 

 

Nonmage possessed by demon: Same as 2, not all spirits are in our realm due to mages, and thus possinly possessed by one of them.

 

Explosion: With enough lyrium, which the caves around the Ashes are brimming with, enough magic is released to punch through the Veil. And anyone can set up that blast. 

 

So of the 4 I listed, only 1 involves a mage. So your theory of 'has to involve mage' is inaccurate. 

[AresKeith]

Na, you chill

 

using my quote & ******

 

I do what I want

[KainD]

Na na na, come on

 

You called? 

 

Spoiler

[Divine Justinia V]

ugh look w you did Keith