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[Cobra's_back]

I say give them their own place/salary/family and if you want to police it fine just don't keep them as slaves. Let's face it how many of us want to live the way they do in that cage. I know I don't.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TKS.. How do you function? 

I read this in DBZ Abridged Frieza's voice.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Are you even listening at this point? The Codex states clearly that the Qunari didn't lose territory until they signed the treaty when they agreed to leave most of the territory they conquered except for that eastern country. At that point they still had Tevinter's territory...this is the important part. They had Tevinter's land when the rest of Thedas stopped fighting the Qunari so they DID focus all their military on Tevinter and they still lost all the territory they had taken! So to recap the Qunari were defeated by the Tevinter AFTER they had already made peace with the rest of Thedas and were able to focus all their energy solely on them.

 

I also love how you defend the Qunari losses saying they were tired because they were fighting the rest of Thedas but you refuse to give the same consideration for Tevinter who had just gone through 4 Exalted Marches against them. Nope that had nothing to do with they were just weak.... I love your double standards.

 

oh god tell me when qunari started war and tell me when they signed the Llomerryn accord?

They started war

 

6:32 Qunari invasion begins

 

7:84 Llomerryn accord is sign

 

So well we have war tat lasted more than 100 years well 152 years qunari were fighting with entire continent so well do you think that qunari were not weakened by that hm no?

 

Well lets talk about it so qunari at first conquered tevinter easily so what tevinter was stronger , equal or was much weaker hmm?They couldn't handle qunari only after 40 years (50 from the start of invasion) of war that qunari led with other countries tevinter managed to free themselves so why qunari crushed tevinter on ease first time but after 40 years tevinter suddenly managed to free?

 

Now they took qunari Seheron and fenris said who fought there that tevinter unsuccessfully try get it back and qunari didn't even attacked seriously and if they wanted they would take over tevinter as they did first time... ( probably qunari are waiting on good occasion to attack not only tev but also thedas)

 

No single country can match qunari no tevinter not orlais only thedas united have chance and only if thedas start make technological progress.

 

Do i have to tell that marches were 2 centuries before qunari attacked? And i doubt that every country took part in that.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

oh god tell me when qunari started war and tell me when they signed the Llomerryn accord?

They started war

 

6:32 Qunari invasion begins

 

7:84 Llomerryn accord is sign

 

So well we have war tat lasted more than 100 years well 152 years qunari were fighting with entire continent so well do you think that qunari were not weakened by that hm no?

 

Well lets talk about it so qunari at first conquered tevinter easily so what tevinter was stronger , equal or was much weaker hmm?They couldn't handle qunari only after 40 years (50 from the start of invasion) of war that qunari led with other countries tevinter managed to free themselves so why qunari crushed tevinter on ease first time but after 40 years tevinter suddenly managed to free?

 

Now they took qunari Seheron and fenris said who fought there that tevinter unsuccessfully try get it back and qunari didn't even attacked seriously and if they wanted they would take over tevinter as they did first time... ( probably qunari are waiting on good occasion to attack not only tev but also thedas)

 

No single country can match qunari no tevinter not orlais only thedas united have chance and only if thedas start make technological progress.

 

Do i have to tell that marches were 2 centuries before qunari attacked? And i doubt that every country took part in that.

 

There was also a little thing called the Fourth Blight that started right after the last Exalted March and that one happened right next door to Tevinter but I guess that was also forgotten? So four Exalted Marches and a Blight right on top of that... nah that wouldn't make a country weak at all.

 

However it is nice to see that you do have a double standard when it comes to the Tevinter and the Qunari

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

There was also a little thing called the Fourth Blight that started right after the last Exalted March and that one happened right next door to Tevinter but I guess that was also forgotten? So four Exalted Marches and a Blight right on top of that... nah that wouldn't make a country weak at all.

 

However it is nice to see that you do have a double standard when it comes to the Tevinter and the Qunari

 

 

No it didn't?

 

It started in Rivain and Free marches when tevinter had part in it they mostly said fu*** you to others so blight touched others much more than tevinter and that blight lasted 12 years so well not so so horrible at least not for tevinter... And as i said EM was 2 centuries ago...

 

Besides i hate qunari as well just saying how it was...

[ISpeakTheTruth]

No it didn't?

 

It started in Rivain and Free marches when tevinter had part in it they mostly said fu*** you to others so blight touched others much more than tevinter and that blight lasted 12 years so well not so so horrible at least not for tevinter... And as i said EM was 2 centuries ago...

 

Yes it did the Siege of Marnes Pell was in Tevinter land. They said fu** so they could focus on protecting themselves. A 12 year war is actually horrible look at Fereldan It's Blight only lasted a year tops and the entire south of that country was gutted and its soil destroyed. When Darkspawn are in your land the very act of them being there destroys your land and it takes decades for a country to recover as is stated in the Codex. The war with the Qunari started roughly a century after that and I doubt a country would have fully recovered in that time. Also remember that the war with the Qunari was a surprise attack... the majority of the things they accomplished was completely based on that surprise attack. It took a century for Thedas to fully gather themselves so I'm sure it took Tevinter a good amount of time to gather their strength too.

 

You keep saying that the Qunari were tired from the constant war do you not think Tevinter wasn't equally tired after being sieged for all those years? However they did and forced them out of their country and they did so with a ground force that was superior and a ground force that to this day even scares the Divine.

 

This debate is going in circles so I'll wrap it up by saying the only way we're going to know what's going to happen with these two countries isn't going to be resolved until the next game because I doubt they will touch the issue majorly in DA;I and they won't shake the boot by having major change in the comics.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes it did the Siege of Marnes Pell was in Tevinter land. They said fu** so they could focus on protecting themselves. A 12 year war is actually horrible look at Fereldan It's Blight only lasted a year tops and the entire south of that country was gutted and its soil destroyed. When Darkspawn are in your land the very act of them being there destroys your land and it takes decades for a country to recover as is stated in the Codex. The war with the Qunari started roughly a century after that and I doubt a country would have fully recovered in that time. Also remember that the war with the Qunari was a surprise attack... the majority of the things they accomplished was completely based on that surprise attack. It took a century for Thedas to fully gather themselves so I'm sure it took Tevinter a good amount of time to gather their strength too.

 

You keep saying that the Qunari were tired from the constant war do you not think Tevinter wasn't equally tired after being sieged for all those years? However they did and forced them out of their country and they did so with a ground force that was superior and a ground force that to this day even scares the Divine.

 

This debate is going in circles so I'll wrap it up by saying the only way we're going to know what's going to happen with these two countries isn't going to be resolved until the next game because I doubt they will touch the issue majorly in DA;I and they won't shake the boot by having major change in the comics.

 

Oh god like to the child Tevinter hardly felt the blight same for orlais in that blight not mention that tevinter had help.Ferelden was so damaged because:

1)lack of grey wardens

2)Blight focused forces on only 1 country not many

3)Ferelden instead fighting blight was in civil war

4)Loghain paranoia caused lack of allies to help with blight.

5)Ferelden was rather least dangerous country in thedas

 

So no wonder that it was damage for them yet ferelden stands even after archdemon darkspawn were problem.

 

Qunari started invasions on rivain so for them it would be surprise but not for another...

 

As i said Qunari weren't even on their territory and tevinter had help rest of thedas not official at first because everyone was fighting on their own but every country weaken qunai less or more qunari had to divide forces.It is clear that qunari had forcres to conquer any country in thedas they didn't just had enough to conquer whole thedas.

 

Even after signing peace with everyone and 152 years of war with everyone 70 years after qunari still managed conquer seheron and keep it without problems and continually unsuccessful attacks on tevinter side...

 

As i said tevinter won't have chance against Thedas united and i would even argue against of course it was before civil war (we will see how much damage we will have after) neither tevinter have chance against full invasion of qunari.When qunari would take any country in thedas they could take entire thedas at least they couldn't last time now time will tell but i doubt that qunari are invincible as that would mean end of da series.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Fourth Blight ended in 5:24 Exalted. The First Qunari War began in 6:32 Steel. Tevinter had a over a hundred years of peace to rebuild before the Qunari invaded. At the time of the Llomerryn Accord the Qunari had been pushed back to the edge of Rivain and Seheron, by the combined forces of Thedas after 150 years of war, but after signing it they simply withdrew from both places even though they didn't make peace with Tevinter. They didn't return in force until they conquered Seheron from the Imperium again in 8:55 Blessed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Fourth Blight ended in 5:24 Exalted. The First Qunari War began in 6:32 Steel. Tevinter had a over a hundred years of peace to rebuild before the Qunari invaded. At the time of the Llomerryn Accord the Qunari had been pushed back to the edge of Rivain and Seheron, by the combined forces of Thedas after 150 years of war, but after signing it they simply withdrew from both places even though they didn't make peace with Tevinter. They didn't return in force until they conquered Seheron from the Imperium again in 8:55 Blessed.

This pretty much what im saying unsuccessfully....

[lil yonce]

The Fourth Blight ended in 5:24 Exalted. The First Qunari War began in 6:32 Steel. Tevinter had a over a hundred years of peace to rebuild before the Qunari invaded. At the time of the Llomerryn Accord the Qunari had been pushed back to the edge of Rivain and Seheron, by the combined forces of Thedas after 150 years of war, but after signing it they simply withdrew from both places even though they didn't make peace with Tevinter. They didn't return in force until they conquered Seheron from the Imperium again in 8:55 Blessed.

 

Yeah, I've always had the impression that the Qunari could kick Tevinter's ass if they really wanted to.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, I've always had the impression that the Qunari could kick Tevinter's ass if they really wanted to.

Not necessarily. Why prolong the fight if they could indeed swoop in and win?

[KainD]

Yeah, I've always had the impression that the Qunari could kick Tevinter's ass if they really wanted to.

 

Yeah, they really don't want to. The Qunman needs his Majoker.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Not necessarily. Why prolong the fight if they could indeed swoop in and win?

 

The Qunari developed a strong aversion to swooping following an unspecified incident involving a demonically possessed nug, Sandal, and a Orlesian named Chauncey.

 

To this day they refuse to comment on it.

[lil yonce]

Not necessarily. Why prolong the fight if they could indeed swoop in and win?

 

Well, I think they're playing chess and not checkers, so to speak. I think they're gearing up for another attack on all of Thedas, not just Tevinter. The Imperium is going to be the first domino to fall when the Qunari have all of the pieces they want in place for an unstoppable invasion of the continent.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not necessarily. Why prolong the fight if they could indeed swoop in and win?

Because it would end as last time they probably they want to be prepared to attack continent otherwise everyone will go against them and so much for invasion...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not necessarily. Why prolong the fight if they could indeed swoop in and win?

Because Qunari are trolls? Just look at Sten.

[OctagonalSquare]

Why prolong the fight if they could indeed swoop in and win?

Swooping is bad.

[Augustei]

I hope you're not being serious over here, are you? You must be pulling my leg.

 

Loghain Mac Tir (none mage) betrayed his entire country by walking out during an active battle.

So your saying Loghain is a hero, Yes, I think I understand.
Lucky he saved half the ferelden army with that tactical withdrawl otherwise my warden would have had much less forces to fight with..He sure likes his army as big as possible he does

[Mockingword]

Yeah, that half an army came in really useful for selling people into slavery. I'm glad Loghain kept it around.

[Lord Raijin]

So your saying Loghain is a hero, Yes, I think I understand.
Lucky he saved half the ferelden army with that tactical withdrawl otherwise my warden would have had much less forces to fight with..He sure likes his army as big as possible he does

 

I like to know where you'd figure out that I was trying to label Loghain as some kind of hero? Which section of my posts that even brought this up in the first place? No hes no hero. He might of been in the Stolen Throne novel, but he became far worst. He became a mad man who betrayed his King and lust for power. He almost had his entire country ransacked by the Darkspawn by hiring assassins to take care of the surviving grey wardens so that he doesn't get exposed for who he truly is.

[EmperorSahlertz]

He betrayed his king, because if he had not, he would have betrayed his country.

[Lord Raijin]

He already betrayed his country. Look at how much he did.

[shodiswe]

Non-mages can become abominations and get posessed.

The thing is, when a demon/s finds a weakpoint in the "weil" they look for the most powerful host they can find.

Preferences are Mage>non-mage>corpse

If they can't find a mage, they take a "normal non-magical and stupid person"! If they can't fidn anyone alive they will even try to posess a corpse or skeleton. Anythign to get soem kind of physical form.

Mages can usualy resist such things if they got decent willpower, unless they are bloodmages that welcome the demon, or someone who's been weakened by actualy getting attacked, beatenup and brought to the brink of death where they are no longer capable of resisting.

Mages seems both tastier, but they are also more resistant, unless they are hurt and weakened or exposed to some kind of ritual that makes it easier for the demon to gain entry.

The real problem is the demons. The other is that people are born special, rather than training to gain their magical powers. Either they can use magic and can train and improve their ability or they can't.

Things would have been so much better if only people who choose to study magic became mages. That way only those with the willpower and drive to suceed would become mages.
Now people who would have liked it better working on a farm or something that isn't too mentaly taxing, are forced to train to become mages and learn to build up their willpower against demons, because how they were born.

I think it's a very unfair world.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The only way for a mundane to be possessed is if a demon has passed through the Veil, and in these cases ANYTHING is under threat of possession, from trees and rocks, to cats and dogs, to corpses and living. The thing is, once a demon passes through the Veil, it gets confused and can no longer distinguish easily between the living and the dead, the animate and the inanimate, so they will possess the first thing they believe to be a living thing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Non-mages can become abominations and get posessed.

The thing is, when a demon/s finds a weakpoint in the "weil" they look for the most powerful host they can find.

Preferences are Mage>non-mage>corpse

If they can't find a mage, they take a "normal non-magical and stupid person"! If they can't fidn anyone alive they will even try to posess a corpse or skeleton. Anythign to get soem kind of physical form.

Mages can usualy resist such things if they got decent willpower, unless they are bloodmages that welcome the demon, or someone who's been weakened by actualy getting attacked, beatenup and brought to the brink of death where they are no longer capable of resisting.

Mages seems both tastier, but they are also more resistant, unless they are hurt and weakened or exposed to some kind of ritual that makes it easier for the demon to gain entry.

 

Nope they can't first abomnation is possessed mage so it throw out non-mage from here at worst non-mage can be possessed when demon already crossed veil unless we involve mage like tarohne with her rituals.

 

No as series shows mages usualy most can't resist such things so it is lottery and price is becoming abomnation.