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[TheKomandorShepard]

I hate to break it to you but genocide isn't going to end the mage problem. You can only successfully pull this off if the mages were a different species or race. You must have forgotten that non magic humans produce mages. 

 

For example: If Connor would have died, Arl Eamon would produce another mage. Keep this up and you lose everyone's support. The Arl and others aren't going to give you their child so that you can kill it.

As i said 10000 milions of times but i doubt that stop pro-mages from fan-fiction killing mages will solve problems they present

1) it will remove abomnations (no mage no abomnation)

2)It will remove disasters that mages are causing (and please don't make me laugh it won't)

3)It will slow tering veil

4)It will outright close 2 out 3 ways for demon and that are most common used and easiest for demons.

 

And not rly that just stupid that connor was a mage doesn't mean that another will be mage and third one... mage is mage kill child mage problem solved.Arl eamon is duty guy and belive duty is always right just sell society that killing mages is right problem solved with many individuals like eamon on onther potential troublemakers i have different ways so they will deliver me mage children personally.

 

Not mention that more than 90 % population already hates mages so i don't see problems...

[Cobra's_back]

As i said 10000 milions of times but i doubt that stop pro-mages from fan-fiction killing mages will solve problems they present

1) it will remove abomnations (no mage no abomnation)

2)It will remove disasters that mages are causing (and please don't make me laugh it won't)

3)It will slow tering veil

4)It will outright close 2 out 3 ways for demon and that are most common used and easiest for demons.

 

And not rly that just stupid that connor was a mage doesn't mean that another will be mage and third one... mage is mage kill child mage problem solved.Arl eamon is duty guy and belive duty is always right just sell society that killing mages is right problem solved with many individuals like eamon on onther potential troublemakers i have different ways so they will deliver me mage children personally.

 

Not mention that more than 90 % population already hates mages so i don't see problems...

 

You keep saying it but most of us know you are wrong. Science is against you. What part of this do you not understand:

 

In order to achieve complete genocide you must be able to eliminate a species or race completely. Humans can produce mages and therefore you would never be able to succeed in the complete destruction you want. They only thing you will achieve is to get others to see you as a danger. 

 

Take a good look at history to understand how it is done, and what a dictator needs to do to achieve it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You keep saying it but most of us know you are wrong. Science is against you. What part of this do you not understand:

 

In order to complete genocide you must be able to eliminate a species or race completely. Humans can produce mages and therefore you would never be able to succeed in the complete destruction you want. They only thing you will achieve is to get others to see you as a danger. 

 

Take a good look at history to understand how it is done, and what a dictator needs to do to achieve it.

oh my god another i won't tell who...

 

And what i said 10000 times about anti-mage policy it will kill new-born mages instead taking them to circle so please spare me that it can't be done peoples already gladly throw up to circle where they can be killed or turned into zombie so...

 

No they won't they will see me as hero and protector same as templars were despite methods because they were protecting them from mages they fear and hate... 

 

Uh elves pal? peoples not only accept genocide but also support it so well pal sorry but you are wrong...

 

First you trying naively cling to argument it won't solve anything i curshed it now you tell me that peoples won't accept genocide against people they hate in medieval societies where genocides are accepted no...

[EmperorSahlertz]

ANd how will you detect and find ALL newborn mages? All you do, is force people to hide their children and make sure that mages will NEVER recieve proper education, and thus you have only made everyhting worse. Good job.

 

Now let the adults talk and try to find a REAL solution...

[TheKomandorShepard]

ANd how will you detect and find ALL newborn mages? All you do, is force people to hide their children and make sure that mages will NEVER recieve proper education, and thus you have only made everyhting worse. Good job.

 

Now let the adults talk and try to find a REAL solution...

 

And how templars managed majority of mages pal and drag them to the circles?

Not rly as i said most of peoples hate mages and see as mages as abomnation. little propaganda like "mages are evil" "maker hates mages" it will even strengthen that not mention about anti-mages policy...

 

And now we have every templar being focused on hunting mages instead most on watching them so efficiency of hunting mages and discovery of them will rise drastically.

 

Dont mention that indication of mage to new anti-mages will be rewarded and protecting such will be punished so we will feed not only on hate and fear but also on greed.

[Mockingword]

I like your sense of humor.

 

Remember this guy:

 

"KANSAS CITY, Mo. — In an effort to explain his stance on abortion, Representative Todd Akin, the Republican Senate nominee from Missouri, provoked ire across the political spectrum on Sunday by saying that in instances of what he called “legitimate rape,” women’s bodies somehow blocked an unwanted pregnancy.  

 

A crazy man in government

Well I mostly meant because they spend all day debating about a fantasy world on an internet forum.

[Cobra's_back]

oh my god another i won't tell who...

 

And what i said 10000 times about anti-mage policy it will kill new-born mages instead taking them to circle so please spare me that it can't be done peoples already gladly throw up to circle where they can be killed or turned into zombie so...

 

No they won't they will see me as hero and protector same as templars were despite methods because they were protecting them from mages they fear and hate... 

 

Uh elves pal? peoples not only accept genocide but also support it so well pal sorry but you are wrong...

 

First you trying naively cling to argument it won't solve anything i curshed it now you tell me that peoples won't accept genocide against people they hate in medieval societies where genocides are accepted no...

 

Back to your favorite word Naively . LOL

 

 

 

Go read history and find an example where a population was okay and successful with a genocide policy that included killing there own families.

 

 

 

Your comment: "you tell me that peoples won't accept genocide against people they hate in medieval societies where genocides are accepted no..."

 

 

You didn't read my post did you. That is not what I said.

 

 

"You keep saying it but most of us know you are wrong. Science is against you. What part of this do you not understand:

 

In order to complete genocide you must be able to eliminate a species or race completely. Humans can produce mages and therefore you would never be able to succeed in the complete destruction you want. They only thing you will achieve is to get others to see you as a danger. "

 

 

Yes Genocide did happen. Some crazy person may decide to commit genocide on the Elves. They are a different race.

 

You stated in several post you want to kill all mages, but no one was successful with a genocide policy of killing their own race or family. Your missed the point completely. The mage birth is random. In order to completely end any possible mage birth you must kill all babies. You delusional plan requires families to tell you if they have a mage baby.

 

Find a successful genocide policy that fits this category to prove your point. 

[Cobra's_back]

Well I mostly meant because they spend all day debating about a fantasy world on an internet forum.

 

I love your post.

 

You got a point there.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Back to your favorite word Naively . LOL

 

 

 

Go read history and find an example where a population was okay and successful with a genocide policy that included killing there own families.

 

 

 

Your comment: "you tell me that peoples won't accept genocide against people they hate in medieval societies where genocides are accepted no..."

 

 

You didn't read my post did you. That is not what I said.

 

 

"You keep saying it but most of us know you are wrong. Science is against you. What part of this do you not understand:

 

In order to complete genocide you must be able to eliminate a species or race completely. Humans can produce mages and therefore you would never be able to succeed in the complete destruction you want. They only thing you will achieve is to get others to see you as a danger. "

 

 

Yes Genocide did happen. Some crazy person may decide to commit genocide on the Elves. They are a different race.

 

You stated in several post you want to kill all mages, but no one was successful with a genocide policy of killing their own race or family. You missed the point completely. The mage birth is random. In order to completely end any possible mage birth you must kill all babies. You delusional plan requires families to tell you if they have a mage baby.

 

Find a successful genocide policy that fits this category to prove your point. 

 

Oh god like to child... another one...

 

No pal genocides are common in Thedas Even RoA is one and still is accepted by society which kill your point ...

 

Most peoples see mages as abomnation thus no longer part of their family reason HATE AND FEAR

 

Sorry but i didn't saw every non-mage runing to save mages when templars were killing them all 20 times in circle history... well in fact no one cared...

 

No i don't need to all i need is kill new-born mages wake up because you are ignoring what im saying... i don't want just kill mages and nah i just killed them they won't come back i want kill current mages and then with new policy instead taking them to the circle kill done...

 

Not some crazy person it is what entire populations are pulling that on elves not mention that mages are seen as outcasts by majority it is tortured theme in series so well if you refuse to see that your problem...

 

And again facepalm i don't need to kill all children i need kill those who are mages templars don't take every children to circle after all so please stop saying dumb things and put them into my solution... And as i said many times majority don't see mages as member of their flock and they are now anyway taken to the circle so any of them will never see them again....

 

Anyway genocide is only part of the plan creating system removing mage population is another step...

[DKJaigen]

And how templars managed majority of mages pal and drag them to the circles?

Not rly as i said most of peoples hate mages and see as mages as abomnation. little propaganda like "mages are evil" "maker hates mages" it will even strengthen that not mention about anti-mages policy...

 

And now we have every templar being focused on hunting mages instead most on watching them so efficiency of hunting mages and discovery of them will rise drastically.

 

Dont mention that indication of mage to new anti-mages will be rewarded and protecting such will be punished so we will feed not only on hate and fear but also on greed.

 

Your not a parent yourself i take it? Mate if anybody would threaten my 2 children , even if i know its not serious, i would not hesitate to beat them an inch from their worthless lives . if i believe that they where serious i would not hesitate to kill them on the spot. you speak of hatred but you do not know the hatred a parent would feel when their offspring is in danger/

[TheKomandorShepard]

Your not a parent yourself i take it? Mate if anybody would threaten my 2 children , even if i know its not serious, i would not hesitate to beat them an inch from their worthless lives . if i believe that they where serious i would not hesitate to kill them on the spot. you speak of hatred but you do not know the hatred a parent would feel when their offspring is in danger/

Yeah right and you are member of theodasian society nope? Peoples did worse thing for more trivial reasons... As i said my plan involves hate , fear and greed well you can also count duty.

 

As i said majority of population hate mages and see mages and monsters i would doubt that you would "love" your children if you saw them as monster thats what you think is wrong may be in thedas or other society seen as right or normal...

 

Settle certain traditions in society and most will follow it rest who don't want to will follow it as well just of convenience.

 

To be honest if you were pushed enough you would quickly forget about love thats why i want introduce punishment for helping mage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh god like to child... another one...

You know, TKS. When everyone else is saying the same thing, maybe it is you that are the wrong one. You love throwing logic around, so here's some: It is a lot more likely 1 person is wrong than everyone but 1 person being wrong.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You know, TKS. When everyone else is saying the same thing, maybe it is you that are the wrong one. You love throwing logic around, so here's some: It is a lot more likely 1 person is wrong than everyone but 1 person being wrong.

Yeah almost the entire population belived that gods control weather ,so were they right becaus most peoples belived in that?

And don't think about 3 peoples as about everyone...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah almost the entire population belived that gods control weather ,so were they right becaus most peoples belived in that?

And don't think about 3 peoples as about everyone...

A lot more than 1 person believed otherwise.

You've argued with a lot more than 3. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

A lot more than 1 person believed otherwise.

You've argued with a lot more than 3. 

Yeah most didn't in fact small percent of poulation didn't belived in that...

With ghost and DKJ sorry then 2 i was wrong...

 

To be honest your lbelief in that if most belive in something that it is right fits to what im saying about peoples...

[Cobra's_back]

Oh god like to child... another one...

 

No pal genocides are common in Thedas Even RoA is one and still is accepted by society which kill your point ...

 

Most peoples see mages as abomnation thus no longer part of their family reason HATE AND FEAR

 

Sorry but i didn't saw every non-mage runing to save mages when templars were killing them all 20 times in circle history... well in fact no one cared...

 

No i don't need to all i need is kill new-born mages wake up because you are ignoring what im saying... i don't want just kill mages and nah i just killed them they won't come back i want kill current mages and then with new policy instead taking them to the circle kill done...

 

Not some crazy person it is what entire populations are pulling that on elves not mention that mages are seen as outcasts by majority it is tortured theme in series so well if you refuse to see that your problem...

 

And again facepalm i don't need to kill all children i need kill those who are mages templars don't take every children to circle after all so please stop saying dumb things and put them into my solution... And as i said many times majority don't see mages as member of their flock and they are now anyway taken to the circle so any of them will never see them again....

 

Anyway genocide is only part of the plan creating system removing mage population is another step...

 

 

I'm convinced you don't read any post in detail. Genocide does occur. What did I ask you to prove? I asked you give an example that fits this case.

 

Let's make this easy for you. An example Hilter a dictator noted for industrialized mass murder:

 

"Although the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II is well known, the concurrent Nazi genocide of psychiatric patients is much less widely known. An attempt was made to estimate the number of individuals with schizophrenia who were sterilized and murdered by the Nazis and to assess the effect on the subsequent prevalence and incidence of this disease. It is estimated that between 220 000 and 269 500 individuals with schizophrenia were sterilized or killed. This total represents about 80% of all individuals with schizophrenia living in Germany between 1939 and 1945. Postwar studies of the prevalence of schizophrenia in Germany reported low rates, as expected. However, postwar rates of the incidence of schizophrenia in Germany were unexpectedly high. "

 

He was one of the most efficient mass murderer in history and even he was unsuccessful. The gene is still present.

 

 

Now let's look at Dragon Age. Your example of the Templars. There were many mages the Templars didn't even catch under their own noses. Lady Harimann was very successful living in Kirkwall and not a single Templar knocking on her door. 

 

You haven't proven your plan. Even Dragon Age gave examples of people hiding their kids which you seem to ignore. Now i don't have time for you anymore. Don't post again I won't reply.

 

Nor do I have time for stupid uneducated comments like your it doesn't work and doesn't change my mind at all:

 

Your comment: "Oh god like to child... another one..."

 

This is useless and add nothing. 

[Aremce]

I really hope some people on here aren't serious. Or ... at least think of Thedas as something completely abstract, populated by lifeless pixels (which is of course totally true), and only discuss theoretical concepts just for the hell of it ...

 

My opinion on the whole thing for what it's worth: Genocid, slavery and oppression are NEVER the way to go. These ideas are where the problems come from, actually. The really serious problems are always (and in every world) where people are oppressed, unhappy, have nothing - because those are the people who have nothing to loose. People who have somewhat equal chances and are allowed to live their lives, however, will very likely just mind their own business and not support any trouble makers. That's human nature. By adding pressure you may make it better short term - but long term you make it much worse. By introducing moderate concepts and trying to get the whole population more educated and open minded, you may cause some chaos short term ... but it might bring the long-term solution.

 

In short: Mages aren't going to vanish. Therefore, they need to be integrated into society in a way both mages an non-mages can live with. Mages need to understand they're dangerous and that some means of control are needed. But the other side needs to understand that mages are also people like them, and that they should be treated as such. As long as this middle ground cannot be established, there will always be the same problems.

[Cobra's_back]

You know, TKS. When everyone else is saying the same thing, maybe it is you that are the wrong one. You love throwing logic around, so here's some: It is a lot more likely 1 person is wrong than everyone but 1 person being wrong.

 

Sadly the person doesn't use logic. He just uses insults. Statistics matter when we discuss a complete genocide plan.

[Chari]

While blaming mages for everything is pretty wrong, plus some of these problems were caused by greedy folk, rather than magic folk...

...Yeah, magic is a source of troubles. But, hey, life is chaotic. That's what life is about

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm convinced you don't read any post in detail. Genocide does occur. What did I ask you to prove? I asked you give an example that fits this case.

 

Let's make this easy for you. An example Hilter a dictator noted for industrialized mass murder:

 

"Although the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II is well known, the concurrent Nazi genocide of psychiatric patients is much less widely known. An attempt was made to estimate the number of individuals with schizophrenia who were sterilized and murdered by the Nazis and to assess the effect on the subsequent prevalence and incidence of this disease. It is estimated that between 220 000 and 269 500 individuals with schizophrenia were sterilized or killed. This total represents about 80% of all individuals with schizophrenia living in Germany between 1939 and 1945. Postwar studies of the prevalence of schizophrenia in Germany reported low rates, as expected. However, postwar rates of the incidence of schizophrenia in Germany were unexpectedly high. "

 

He was one of the most efficient mass murderer in history and even he was unsuccessful. The gene is still present.

 

 

Now let's look at Dragon Age. Your example of the Templars. There were many mages the Templars didn't even catch under their own noses. Lady Harimann was very successful living in Kirkwall and not a single Templar knocking on her door. 

 

You haven't proven your plan. Even Dragon Age gave examples of people hiding their kids which you seem to ignore. Now i don't have time for you anymore. Don't post again I won't reply.

 

Nor do I have time for stupid uneducated comments like your it doesn't work and doesn't change my mind at all:

 

Your comment: "Oh god like to child... another one..."

 

This is useless and add nothing. 

 

I gave you example many examples (that you simple ignore) removing genes isn't my goal removing mage population by constantly killing new-born mages as policy that replace current that locks mages as outcasts it shouldn't be hard in already anti-mage setting... And as i most peoples don't think about mages as family just as about danger... (so please don't compare walking nukes to crazy peoples who aren't even object of hate well not in that matter)

 

As i said most templars don't hunt mages they watch them and rest of them hunt on mages pretty much most forces is focused on watching now and still majority of mages are in circle now instead watching all forces will hunt on mages will increase the effectiveness drastically.Sadly that shows that you completly ignore what im saying focusing on inventing stupid things to put into my mouth that aren't even part of the plan or ridiculus things like "killing mages won't solve problem that mages present".

 

I proven my plan sadly you you come up with things with stupid things as part of my plan... as i said i have ways on many types of peoples and as i said i will use fear hate and greet along with duty... and as i said most mages are detected and taked to the circle now when as i said most templar deal with watching them not hunting i want to change that so even more mages will be detected hell rules i want bring are to increase of efficiency.

 

 

 

Sadly the person doesn't use logic. He just uses insults. Statistics matter when we discuss a complete genocide plan.

 

Yeah shame you didn't hear my plan just ignore that and speak what hitler did to a completely different group of people...

Oh also your killing won't solve problems with them sorry but i gave you reason why that was stupid pro-mage argument that isn't in case...

[Cobra's_back]

Your not a parent yourself i take it? Mate if anybody would threaten my 2 children , even if i know its not serious, i would not hesitate to beat them an inch from their worthless lives . if i believe that they where serious i would not hesitate to kill them on the spot. you speak of hatred but you do not know the hatred a parent would feel when their offspring is in danger/

 

True. Dragon Age also had parents that hid their mage child. Some mages were nobles living in populated areas without detection. Even a tyrant would have trouble finding all mages.

[Xetykins]

Yeah right and you are member of theodasian society nope? Peoples did worse thing for more trivial reasons... As i said my plan involves hate , fear and greed well you can also count duty.
 
As i said majority of population hate mages and see mages and monsters i would doubt that you would "love" your children if you saw them as monster thats what you think is wrong may be in thedas or other society seen as right or normal...
 
Settle certain traditions in society and most will follow it rest who don't want to will follow it as well just of convenience.
 
To be honest if you were pushed enough you would quickly forget about love thats why i want introduce punishment for helping mage.

And that worked so well even on a devout andrastian and noble like isolde? She actually was willing to let probably the whole arling burn for a chance to help her son. I wonder how the common people would feel about that...
And I think you are extremely young or... em... (i dont wanna be rude) to think that love and loyalty within family circles is THAT fragile.


But to keep on topic, I think that mages should be judged according to their deeds like normal people. I think they'd be less prone to making deals with demons if they have families and friends. Than being treated as leppers all their lives.

[Cobra's_back]

I really hope some people on here aren't serious. Or ... at least think of Thedas as something completely abstract, populated by lifeless pixels (which is of course totally true), and only discuss theoretical concepts just for the hell of it ...

 

My opinion on the whole thing for what it's worth: Genocid, slavery and oppression are NEVER the way to go. These ideas are where the problems come from, actually. The really serious problems are always (and in every world) where people are oppressed, unhappy, have nothing - because those are the people who have nothing to loose. People who have somewhat equal chances and are allowed to live their lives, however, will very likely just mind their own business and not support any trouble makers. That's human nature. By adding pressure you may make it better short term - but long term you make it much worse. By introducing moderate concepts and trying to get the whole population more educated and open minded, you may cause some chaos short term ... but it might bring the long-term solution.

 

In short: Mages aren't going to vanish. Therefore, they need to be integrated into society in a way both mages an non-mages can live with. Mages need to understand they're dangerous and that some means of control are needed. But the other side needs to understand that mages are also people like them, and that they should be treated as such. As long as this middle ground cannot be established, there will always be the same problems.

 

I agree. These genocide and slavery plans cause more abominations. They are a knee jerk reaction and not a real plan. Finding a middle ground is the only way to fix this problem.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yeah almost the entire population belived that gods control weather ,so were they right becaus most peoples belived in that?

And don't think about 3 peoples as about everyone...

On this point I think you're actually right, though if this the "mages parents will cooperate in the destruction of their children" idea again I'd have to say you're wrong there. The Templars are trying every trick in the book to get mages parents to cooperate with quarantining and training those children, and people like Isolde, the Stannards and the Hawkes are still resisting. Ignoring for a second that magic is pretty well necessary against some threats (which you refuse to see anyway, despite it being established as fact in the setting) this is going to be a step in the wrong direction as far as cooperation among parents goes.

 

Edit: And then there's the fact that if mages go untrained, stuff apparently gets... weird. Mages who don't learn how to control their magic apparently go mad and get powers that shouldn't be possible. At least with the Circle the Templars had some idea what any particular mage could do.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And that worked so well even on a devout andrastian and noble like isolde? She actually was willing to let probably the whole arling burn for a chance to help her son. I wonder how the common people would feel about that...
And I think you are extremely young or... em... (i dont wanna be rude) to think that love and loyalty within family circles is THAT fragile.


But to keep on topic, I think that mages should be judged according to their deeds like normal people. I think they'd be less prone to making deals with demons if they have families and friends. Than being treated as leppers all their lives.

 

And was my solution implemented? Nope as i said i have a many ways to deal with peoples like isolde not mention that isole was an idiot and rare case as her stupidity. Well ask wynne , jowan and common peoples in ferelden that ask why templars didn't killed those damn mages.

 

Yes love is fragile that why so often and so easily ends or peoples forget about that survival instinct always wins with emotional attachment and peoples love to hate...

 

It doesn't matter "good" mage can be as destructive as "evil" abomnation don't possess evil , neutral or good mage they don't look on your morality...

 

 

On this point I think you're actually right, though if this the "mages parents will cooperate in the destruction of their children" idea again I'd have to say you're wrong there. The Templars are trying every trick in the book to get mages parents to cooperate with quarantining and training those children, and people like Isolde, the Stannards and the Hawkes are still resisting. Ignoring for a second that magic is pretty well necessary against some threats (which you refuse to see anyway, despite it being established as fact in the setting) this is going to be a step in the wrong direction as far as cooperation among parents goes.

 

Edit: And then there's the fact that if mages go untrained, stuff apparently gets... weird. Mages who don't learn how to control their magic apparently go mad and get powers that shouldn't be possible. At least with the Circle the Templars had some idea what any particular mage could do.

 

It is in fact that templars and chantry didn't do anything so peoples could hate mages i would say mages did everything so peoples could hate them and people don't need an excuse to hate.In fact chantry says that magic is gift (yeah right) from maker but also curse o chantry did nothing... Isolde was an idiot and that templars are wasting time watching instead hunting on mages.Hawke faimly existed only because malcolm hawke escaped from circle which in my system would be killed pretty much another reason why it is better kill mages than imprison them so they could escape and cause damage like anders or other mages...