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[superdeathdealer14]

Genocide is not an answer.

 

You're right, it's not the answer, it's the question and the answer is yes. Just kidding.

 

 

[Sifr]

Bah, I'm done. Either me or BSN have incompatible sense of humor.

 

Having a sense of humour is fine, most of us here enjoy posts that make us laugh.

 

it's just that genocide is not a funny subject. Scratch that, it's never a funny subject.

 

Apologies for being a killjoy, it's just not something I'd like to consider even in jest as being any solution for how the future of Mages should play out in the the series. Having to wipe out the entire Geth in the ME3 Destroy ending was already hard enough and I'd rather not have to suffer having to pick that kind of option again. I only did in ME3 because between Control and Synthesis, it was the lesser of two evils and would end the Reapers permanently.

[Maria Caliban]

Genocide is not an answer.

I agree! Magocide is not an answer.

Magocide is the question. 'Yes' is the answer.
 

Boy, I sure would be excited to be a Mage in the real world with all you folks around.

You know, sometimes I wish we were all transported to DAverse like in one of those anime. I'd like to see people talking about killing mages while gathering statistics then. Better, I would like to see all who say "kill them all" become mages in DAverse, that would be quite intriguing to watch.

My efforts to bring post-enlightenment rationalism and the scientific method to Thedas will likely never be appreciated in my life time. Tragic really.
 

You're right, it's not the answer, it's the question and the answer is yes. Just kidding.

'd.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I agree! Magocide is not an answer.

Magocide is the question. 'Yes' is the answer.

 

Genocide is not really funny.

[katling73]

Genocide is not an answer.

 

I don't know. Do the mages class as a racial or ethnic group? If so, then yes, it'd be genocide, otherwise it's just mass murder.

[Androme]

Magic is too dangerous to be allowed to become ''accepted'' by society.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I don't know. Do the mages class as a racial or ethnic group? If so, then yes, it'd be genocide, otherwise it's just mass murder.

 

Likely. Mages are considered as people of various races and nations, but possessing one common feature. It's like weeping out all albino people or all hmosexuals or something like this. Either way it's disgusting.

[Inprea]

Magic does look pretty bad in DA however how many games show the good uses? For example the mage type that is most in demand is a healer and while it's the hardest school to master you don't need to be a master to use something. Now we're talking about a dark ages setting yet we see a surprising amount of older people and relatively little sickness. Is this reduced sickness because they're simply fewer illnesses in the DA setting or is it because when a plague hits a town they can send for a mage to fix things up?

 

What might happen in a region is once you disallow mage activity in that region a nice plague rips through the area and takes out a third to half the population. Just catching the plague and stopping it in one town so it doesn't spread could save who knows how many people. I wonder how many lives Anders saved by helping prevent the spread of sickness. When we're talking viruses it's more then just the person you're healing that you're helping. It's everyone that would have picked up the sickness from them.

 

I have to say though. It's rather irksome that the codex mentions how in demand mages trained in healing are and yet we so very rarely see them. Then again they're all sorts of behind the curtain things I'd like to see. I'd like to see a detailed record of the chantry's, templars and circle's finances and expenditures. I want a better idea of where the money is coming from and where it is going.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

What might happen in a region is

 

Sooner or later mages would be born in common families, so it's not an option. Are you suggesting we kill all newborn mages throughout history? It's even more disgusting than killing them all in one moment.

[Maria Caliban]

Likely. Mages are considered as people of various races and nations, but possessing one common feature. It's like weeping out all albino people or all hmosexuals or something like this. Either way it's disgusting.

 

Yes, fantasy creatures deserve all the respect and care as real world minority groups who have experienced violence and bigotry.

 

Oppressing mages is just like oppressing gays and albinos.

[Lebanese Dude]

This is a thinly veiled "hate mages" thread.

Hue hue hue

[Sir DeLoria]

I'm a total Templar supporter and agree that mages can be a real problem, but trying to murder every mage will cause more death and destruction than the alternative.

Mages need to be watched over and protected, for their own good and the good of the rest of Thedas. The golden cage that is the Circle, is in my eyes still the best solution.

[Maria Caliban]

This is a thinly veiled "hate mages" thread.

Hue hue hue

<____<

I see what you did there.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Yes, fantasy creatures deserve all the respect and care as real world minority groups who have experienced violence and bigotry.

 

You see, it shows a lot how about a person if it condones genocide, even if it's only theoretical. But I may overreact to such things.

[TTTX]

I'm a total Templar supporter and agree that mages can be a real problem, but trying to murder every mage will cause more death and destruction than the alternative.

Mages need to be watched over and protected, for their own good and the good of the rest of Thedas. The golden cage that is the Circle, is in my eyes still the best solution.

The circle could use a few improvements here and there, but other then that I pretty much agree and I'm a mage supporter.

[luckycooky]

If you look at this way you can say mage's are bad.

 

But is still a action's of some mage's. If you look at the bigger picure mage's are not that bad.

 

It where mage's the make it wappen that grey wardens come to be.

it are mage's where noble man/woman go to when the are sick.

it are mage where kings turn to when the are at war

and so on

 

but al coms down to numbers. 

 

do mage kill more ppl then there magic save them or not.

 

but you can ask the same of the qunn. Whits is in my opion way more worse then the mage's  

[MisterJB]

The circle in Kirwall would not be corrupted if not for corrupted Templars.It's hard to believe that under a Knight Commander such as Meredith, there would be only two corrupted templars.  They abused the mages, raping them, threatening them with tranquility for almost anything - and they would do it, too.

 

Such behaviour unavoidably leads to corruption, conflicts and war. The mages become more lable, and the chance they will turn into abomination increase, if they are under great emotional pressure. Templars know that - yet in Kirkwall, they ignored it for long years.

 

Compare it to Rivain, where mages were allowed to live with their families, where they were respected and treaded like any other people... and we see where the problem is. Not in mages.

 

Maybe the Templars would not be corrupted if the mages were not corrupted. Rogues mages were constantly killing people and they were being protected by the highest echelons of Circle authority.

Such behavior inevitably leads to Templars losing whatever sympathy they might have held for mages when the very first Enchanter is more concerned about keeping a good image than in stopping his buddy who is going around sewing women together. There is evidence for this when, if you side with the Templars, you'll hear some of their members exposing how many people were murdered by mages in Kirkwall which lead to them being more accepting of the Annulment.

 

 

Also, absense of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because we haven't heard much about Rivain doesn't mean the problems aren't there. We do know that they have Abominations problems as everyone, but the Qunari do, but that they view it differently; they compare it to tornados which, in my opinion, is folly because Abominations are intelligent creatures that are the result of conscious actions by mages.

Of course, Seers hold the power in Rivain so, it's entirely possible that it is them who propagate this belief Abominations are an unavoidable aspect of nature like any other natural disaster because it benefits them.

 

And even if Rivain worked like you imagine it does, if it can be used as empirical evidence of where the trouble lies, then I can just use Tevinter as an empirical evidence that the problem lies with mages and use the relatively trouble free Qunari society as evidence that the real reason mages rebel in Southern Thedas is because the Templars aren't strict enough.
 

[Augustei]

Nuclear technology can cause A lot of problems. We should still try to use it to its potential if its beneficial in some way however

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Nuclear technology can cause A lot of problems. We should still try to use it to its potential if its beneficial in some way however

 

Tis true. However nuclear weapons are created by man. Magic is supernatural and divine. There is no way man can control it, they can try, but... the DAI plt shows that magic rules over Thedas, in the end.

[Augustei]

Never put much stock in the tale of Icarus... Man can master anything given sufficient time and someone to smack em' upside the head when they are to foolish (Need that more often though)
Should take advantage of every opportunity afforded us

[TTTX]

Tis true. However nuclear weapons are created by man. Magic is supernatural and divine. There is no way man can control it, they can try, but... the DAI plt shows that magic rules over Thedas, in the end.

pretty much, but to be fair we have no idea what caused the giant veil tear in DA:I.

[Sir DeLoria]

The circle could use a few improvements here and there, but other then that I pretty much agree and I'm a mage supporter.

I agree, the Kirkwall Circle was terrible on both sides for example.

Btw, nice Gray Fox avi

[TheKomandorShepard]

But if he was trained properly, he'd not get possessed. How many Mage children that go to the Circle (or Apostate children with Mage parents) do we hear about getting possessed? It's drilled into them from Day One, "Just Say No!"

 

So you're basically saying that all Mages are Guilty until proven Innocent? And you agree with the Ser Alrik "Final Solution" of Kill or Tranquil them all?

 

It's never been proven that Mages are the only ones capable of tearing the Veil, death on any large scale seems enough to do it. Redcliffe for instance has had a bloody history of conflict, mostly those between warring banns or tribal conflict before Ferelden was united, which was enough for Connor's demon to raise all those Undead.

 

No you don't know that if he went to the cricle he would probably end as one of abomnations in broken circle and then still you don't have absolutely no assurance that he won't end possessed like uldred or other mages for other reasons. Yeas because for Anders it worked same for merril or wynne...

 

Mages are nukes consequences of explosion are catastrophic but you can't know or predict who will end as abomnation or creating disaster so well only way to prevent nuke exploding is disarm it what mean kill it.Nope tranquil solution is to expensive and requires more time than it is necessary i go for simple killing them.

 

It has been said many times magic and blood magic is fastest way to torn veil , sure war and brutal deaths weaken but it is slow process very slow as we have pretty much huge number of death in thedas that comes with war hell even with 1 blight.You know that connor/demon used corpses that demon killed in castle and if he destroys village he uses their? And doesn't change fact that 99 % of demon in thedas are work of mages.

 

 

The circle in Kirwall would not be corrupted if not for corrupted Templars.It's hard to believe that under a Knight Commander such as Meredith, there would be only two corrupted templars.  They abused the mages, raping them, threatening them with tranquility for almost anything - and they would do it, too.

 

Such behaviour unavoidably leads to corruption, conflicts and war. The mages become more lable, and the chance they will turn into abomination increase, if they are under great emotional pressure. Templars know that - yet in Kirkwall, they ignored it for long years.

 

Compare it to Rivain, where mages were allowed to live with their families, where they were respected and treaded like any other people... and we see where the problem is. Not in mages.

 

We saw only few so well it wasn't rather huge number of templars rather small corruption just pro-mage low scream about how mages were/are abused by templars nothing more.

 

Such behaviour is and always will be everywhere and always as corruption will always exist you have deal with that as i said with templars it was rather low corruption level.Another trying to throw blame on templars despite guys protect world whem mages want destroy it no it is mage who bring demon not templars.

 

Yes and they are an abomnations not mention probably corruption of mages there is colosal...

 

 

Genocide is not an answer.

 

In that case we can call it reduction of damage and casualties and step towards a more stable world... yep it is an answer and it is best one...

 

 

Ser Varnell

Ser Mettin

the majority of ser Alrik's men that baited Anders with Karl

templars who helped Varnell kidnap and murder Qunari delegates

Ser Mettin's enterouge who was half ready to slay someone who harbored their half-dead relative

An entire troon of templars ready to slay any Dalish for harboring Feynriel

and

Mother Petrice's "Righteous mob"

 

Besides, magic is only dangerous to people who have ****** training and are already evil to begin, it's a tool like a sword or a tongue

1.Ser varnell was qunari heater and what pretty much everyone hates them for good reason pretty much he didn't do anything...

2.His job is deal with insane mages so he did...

3.Few peoples so well... 

4.Petrice had anti-qunari group not with templars but folks belonget to it.

5.Yes because they are holding super nuke and circle mage that escaped how dear they want him back...

6.And what mob have to do with templars?

 

So no alrik and keras were only corrupted templars otheres were doing their job perhaps in not nice way but dealing with mages is not nice from

from the beginning as we can't trust mages same for everyone...

 

Uldred? Avernus? Anders? Janeka? Jowan? Grace? Merril? and much more mages no it isn't tool like a sword as sowrd never created blights or such disasters as mages...

[TTTX]

I agree, the Kirkwall Circle was terrible on both sides for example.

Btw, nice Gray Fox avi

Well I think it was a growing problem over Thedas, probably because templars seems to get away with their crimes at this point and time, because the Seekers seems to be doing something else even the Lord Seeker focused all his attention on mages rather then the Templars he is suppose to keep in line.

 

Why thank you, your avi is awesome too, no idea what it is but it is awesome. 

[TTTX]

No you don't know that if he went to the cricle he would probably end as one of abomnations in broken circle and then still you don't have absolutely no assurance that he won't end possessed like uldred or other mages for other reasons. Yeas because for Anders it worked same for merril or wynne...

 

Mages are nukes consequences of explosion are catastrophic but you can't know or predict who will end as abomnation or creating disaster so well only way to prevent nuke exploding is disarm it what mean kill it.Nope tranquil solution is to expensive and requires more time than it is necessary i go for simple killing them.

 

It has been said many times magic and blood magic is fastest way to torn veil , sure war and brutal deaths weaken but it is slow process very slow as we have pretty much huge number of death in thedas that comes with war hell even with 1 blight.You know that connor/demon used corpses that demon killed in castle and if he destroys village he uses their? And doesn't change fact that 99 % of demon in thedas are work of mages.

Merril isn't possessed and Wynne doesn't have a demon (it's a spirit of Faith which are the good kind of spirits) inside her.

 

You have to kill every human, elf and Qunari in order to prevent mages from being born and people will still die and probably in great numbers because now diseases can't be healed and the Qunari will invade Thedas and cause a great numbers of death.