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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not every chantry is right next door to a circle tower. Given how isolated some circle towers are and how spread out the chantry's can be do you believe they'd summon a healer each time the child became ill? If the child was in the circle tower a healer could be literally within ear shot or already holding the child if the mother or father is a healer. It could take days for the message that the child is sick to reach the tower and by then he or she could already be dead.

 

Would they even call for a healer? We're talking about a culture that fears magic and the chantry encourages that fear. Why summon the mother or father to heal the child when there is someone in town claiming that they just need to drain the "bad" blood out with leeches. There is also the cost to consider after all. The parents or a friend of the parents would likely be willing to heal the child for free. A mage being summoned to leave the tower to go heal a child of unknown origins. What's the going rate for that?

 

If they know the benefits are not isn't the point. The point was that by separating the child from its mother they're depriving the child of the benefits and increases it's likelihood of death or developing improperly. That they don't know about such benefits only makes it even more likely that they'll harm the child.

Not all mages are stuck in a Circle tower. Some that have proved themselves are allowed out. Just look at Wynne or Vivienne. The former was allowed to wander without a Templar escort and the latter was an adviser in Orlais. And if there was anywhere a mage would be besides a Circle, it would be the Chantry. That way they are still watched by Templars. 

 

As for the 'depriving' part, there are still many children who are not breast fed. I'm one of them, for example. And you can't blame people for doing something they don't know they are doing. And this is ignoring the obvious solution of nursemaids. 

[Mockingword]

And then they don't grow up to become Wardens, perform the Joining, blast Qunari clear to hell, or heal important nobles. Seriously everybody, if this was a good idea Thedas would already be doing it.

Lol, as if anyone in Thedas ever had a good idea.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lol, as if anyone in Thedas ever had a good idea.

The Grey Wardens did: Stop the Blights!

[KainD]

Lol, as if anyone in Thedas ever had a good idea.

 

Titus had an excellent idea.

[Hellion Rex]

Titus had an excellent idea.

Bad, Kain, bad! Titus had a very bad plan!

[Inprea]

Not all mages are stuck in a Circle tower. Some that have proved themselves are allowed out. Just look at Wynne or Vivienne. The former was allowed to wander without a Templar escort and the latter was an adviser in Orlais. And if there was anywhere a mage would be besides a Circle, it would be the Chantry. That way they are still watched by Templars. 

 

As for the 'depriving' part, there are still many children who are not breast fed. I'm one of them, for example. And you can't blame people for doing something they don't know they are doing. And this is ignoring the obvious solution of nursemaids. 

 

 

What the heck does some mages being allowed out of the circle have to do with what I said? As for what you said about a mage being in a chantry. That Wilhelm sure stuck close to one didn't he?  I don't remember seeing any mages hanging out inside the chantry in origins, awakening or DA2.  Wynne sure didn't talk about going back to the chantry in origins. From what we've seen those few mages allowed to roam have very little interest in the chantry and may be outright avoiding it. Then there is the issue of has that mage been trained in healing? Given how few mages are allowed such freedom and what we've seen I see far more evidence for a healer not being on hand then one being available should the child come down with ergotism or some other horrible sickness.

 

There is a big difference between you and the children in thedas other then one being fictional. You have modern technology to help you including formula. I never said anything about blame I said harm. Though yes I can blame someone for the harm they caused even if it wasn't intentionally. If you accidentally hit someone with a car you can still be charged with manslaughter. A nursemaid might work though I'm not certain if her biological clock would as well in tune with the child's as the mother but just because one would work doesn't mean they're available.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Titus had an excellent idea.

Bad Kain. Bad.

[Hellion Rex]

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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And then they don't create another blights-like disasters ,won't destroy communities or weaken them badly which will be better for thedas not mention technology progress not mention that death is natural process and humans survived without magic. So basically you creating more disasters for help in disaster they created so instead 1 you are dealing with hundreds disasters, trade progress and stability of Thedas for few walking bombs that can't even win battle and risk end of the world.Also you sacrifice thousands (at best) that are killed by disasters casued by mages for few peoples healed by mages.

 

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I'm not hearing an alternate solution to the one they already caused. Unless it's "better darkspawn than abominations," in which case you've sunk to a new low as far as how obvious you are. Seriously, the Blights are attempted apocalypses. And barring the Fifth they give it a really good go.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What the heck does some mages being allowed out of the circle have to do with what I said? As for what you said about a mage being in a chantry. That Wilhelm sure stuck close to one didn't he?  I don't remember seeing any mages hanging out inside the chantry in origins, awakening or DA2.  Wynne sure didn't talk about going back to the chantry in origins. From what we've seen those few mages allowed to roam have very little interest in the chantry and may be outright avoiding it. Then there is the issue of has that mage been trained in healing? Given how few mages are allowed such freedom and what we've seen I see far more evidence for a healer not being on hand then one being available should the child come down with ergotism or some other horrible sickness.

 

There is a big difference between you and the children in thedas other then one being fictional. You have modern technology to help you including formula. I never said anything about blame I said harm. Though yes I can blame someone for the harm they caused even if it wasn't intentionally. If you accidentally hit someone with a car you can still be charged with manslaughter. A nursemaid might work though I'm not certain if her biological clock would as well in tune with the child's as the mother but just because one would work doesn't mean they're available.

You said they'd need to get a healer from the Circle, to which I responded may not be the case since some mages are let out. 

 

I said the MOST likely place a mage would be other than a Circle would be a Chantry building. I also said Wynne was allowed to wander about, and Vivienne was in contact with the nobles of Orlais. 

 

You are saying what they are doing is wrong. They do not know that breast milk does what it does. At least you acknowledge nursemaids. And I'm sure in a religion where 95% of the workers are female, none of them will have the same biological clock as the child's mother.

[KainD]

Bad Kain. Bad.

 

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[Cobra's_back]

What the heck does some mages being allowed out of the circle have to do with what I said? As for what you said about a mage being in a chantry. That Wilhelm sure stuck close to one didn't he?  I don't remember seeing any mages hanging out inside the chantry in origins, awakening or DA2.  Wynne sure didn't talk about going back to the chantry in origins. From what we've seen those few mages allowed to roam have very little interest in the chantry and may be outright avoiding it. Then there is the issue of has that mage been trained in healing? Given how few mages are allowed such freedom and what we've seen I see far more evidence for a healer not being on hand then one being available should the child come down with ergotism or some other horrible sickness.

 

There is a big difference between you and the children in thedas other then one being fictional. You have modern technology to help you including formula. I never said anything about blame I said harm. Though yes I can blame someone for the harm they caused even if it wasn't intentionally. If you accidentally hit someone with a car you can still be charged with manslaughter. A nursemaid might work though I'm not certain if her biological clock would as well in tune with the child's as the mother but just because one would work doesn't mean they're available.

 

 

I'm all for mages taking care of their own babies. It worked for Wilhelm and for his mage son who also had a child.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I have no problems with children going to the circle as soon as magic manifests. I think it is the right thing to do for the safety of those kids and those around them. Until ofcourse they passed their harrowing ( but I think there has to be a better way than harrowing)

What I have problems with is taking them to the circle and parents not given any access to them. There is just no happy medium and that is why I can understand parents would rather hide their kids and screw up in the process.

For those old enough to remember a happy family life it would be even harder. Now I just wonder what kind of sick things the chantry tell those kids why they dont see their family anymore.

And for marriage it is sometimes a business deal. Like my boyfriend telling me "honey now that we got kids , why dont we get married for tax reduction" :-o Needless to say im still single.

 

It's not about the parents not being allowed to visit, it's about either the parents being unable to make the trip to the circle, given the distance and that children from the whole region, and beyond, are all sent to this one place, sometimes from other countries, or that the parents simply don't want to visit their children because they don't see them as their children anymore, which we have seen, and heard about, happening.

 

We don't got modern means of travel here, its all on foot or on mounted riding, which takes training some folks just wouldn't have. It might take weeks to months for some to make the trek and back again, and thats a lot of time to just assume your property or your business or whatever else have you will be a-okay. And for those who don't it wouldn't matter what distance there was, they wouldn't want to visit at all.

 

Look at finn, http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Finn, he still has a good relationship with his folks, because they got the money to actually facilitate travel and constant communication. Is it unfair? yeah, but what are you gonna do about it?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

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[Cobra's_back]

Infants and toddlers cannot care for themselves though. Meanwhile children the age of 8 and above while still needing supervision are much more self-sufficient. So in the event of say, an abomination, a child of 8 can run and hide while an infant or toddler is surely doomed. 

 

Why would the infant need to care for itself? Did it not have parents? I can't see Wynne only protecting an 8 year old and not an infant. I seriously think a parent can take care of their own. These mages were trained and they passed their test.

[Hellion Rex]

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Wrong gif, Hinata. Try this one

 

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Ah, much better.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm not hearing an alternate solution to the one they already caused. Unless it's "better darkspawn than abominations," in which case you've sunk to a new low as far as how obvious you are. Seriously, the Blights are attempted apocalypses. And barring the Fifth they give it a really good go.

As far we don't know even if joining require mage so well even so all it needs is few mages. And no you don't fight nuclear apocalypse threat with nukes pretty much you allow creating another blights like disasters or possible even worse.We have a lot insane mages and all it tooks is 1 to torn veil and summon army of demons in 1 way or another in fact this is what happens now. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would the infant need to care for itself? Did it not have parents? I can't see Wynne only protecting an 8 year old and not an infant. I seriously think a parent can take care of their own. This mages were trained and they passed their test.

Here's a scenario: An infant or toddler is crawling or walking around because that's what they do. They wander into a room where mages are practicing spells. They don't recognize the danger these spells are and continue crawling or walking. The apprentice mage, so focused on their spells so they don't lose control, accidentally strikes the infant or toddler. Child dies.

 

That's bad enough, but then there is the possibility of this as well: Either mage who killed it or parents of child are thrown into an emotional wreck. Demon takes moment of weakness and possesses said mage. An abomination is born.

[Hellion Rex]

 

That's bad enough, but then there is the possibility of this as well: Either mage who killed it or parents of child are thrown into an emotional wreck. Demon takes moment of weakness and possesses said mage. An abomination is born.

Abomination is born, starts wrecking havoc. In the panic, a few more mages turn into abominations. Bam, instant Annulment called down on a Circle.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Abomination is born, starts wrecking havoc. In the panic, a few more mages turn into abominations. Bam, instant Annulment called down on a Circle.

Exactly.

[Cainhurst Crow]

As far we don't know even if joining require mage so well even so all it needs is few mages. And no you don't fight nuclear apocalypse threat with nukes pretty much you allow creating another blights like disasters or possible even worse.We have a lot insane mages and all it tooks is 1 to torn veil and summon army of demons in 1 way or another in fact this is what happens now. 

 

Where was this army of 1 you are even talking about? And yeah you do fight nukes with other nukes, its the entire reason we have peace in the world that  we do now. Mutually Assured Destruction has dettered larger nations from sending millions of people to the death against each other over petty ideological differences, and is continuing to reduce the amount of wars globally.
 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Abomination is born, starts wrecking havoc. In the panic, a few more mages turn into abominations. Bam, instant Annulment called down on a Circle.

 

Pretty much how it goes. The things people will give in an "I don't want to die" wish fullfillment is high.

[Hellion Rex]

Pretty much how it goes. The things people will give in an "I don't want to die" wish fullfillment is high.

Exactly. When you are seconds from being killed by a creature, morals kind of go out the window. You would fight to survive, to live.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Where was this army of 1 you are even talking about? And yeah you do fight nukes with other nukes, its the entire reason we have peace in the world that  we do now. Mutually Assured Destruction has dettered larger nations from sending millions of people to the death against each other over petty ideological differences, and is continuing to reduce the amount of wars globally.
 

Or as Joshua so simply yet eloquently put:

[TheKomandorShepard]

Where was this army of 1 you are even talking about? And yeah you do fight nukes with other nukes, its the entire reason we have peace in the world that  we do now. Mutually Assured Destruction has dettered larger nations from sending millions of people to the death against each other over petty ideological differences, and is continuing to reduce the amount of wars globally.
 

 

He was killed by tallis but he almost tore veil apart and summoned army of demons for the hell of it the best nobody besides few peoples who knew about him didn't know about him and his plan it was luck that his plan was destroyed in last moment.Sorry but i failed to see where every country shoots to each other with nukes as far nukes were used as element of intimidation not as active war weapon because everyone knows that using that wouldn't be very smart.So sorry allowing mages to create another blight just to fight previous is just stupid it will left you not with 1 global disaster but with 2 or more and that is point...