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[Inprea]

You said they'd need to get a healer from the Circle, to which I responded may not be the case since some mages are let out. 

 

I said the MOST likely place a mage would be other than a Circle would be a Chantry building. I also said Wynne was allowed to wander about, and Vivienne was in contact with the nobles of Orlais. 

 

You are saying what they are doing is wrong. They do not know that breast milk does what it does. At least you acknowledge nursemaids. And I'm sure in a religion where 95% of the workers are female, none of them will have the same biological clock as the child's mother.

 

That may be possible but it is extremely unlikely. It is far more likely that they will need a mage from the circle especially given their limited medical knowledge. What evidence do you have to support your notion that the chantry could provide the same healing services and protection from sickness the circle could?

 

What evidence do you have that it's even the most likely place? I see your statement but nothing supporting it. I mentioned Wilhelm being no where near a chantry and I saw no sign of Wynne just hanging out there. There is also the lack of any mages hanging out in the chantry from Origins, Awakening or DA2 except for those who pretty much want to kill everyone in there. To me the evidence points far more strongly that the chantry is one of the last places a freed mage is going to hang out. A pub or their own home being far more likely.

 

I never mentioned anything about wrong or right. My statement was that given the danger posed by illness and the ability of healers to diminish that danger the tower is as safe for the child as the chantry and the tower may even be more secure. Sickness was after all the greatest killer of children in the dark ages. We're talking 2/3 children dieing before they hit 4.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

He was killed by tallis but he almost torned veil and summoned army of demons for the hell of it the best nobody besides few peoples who knew about him didn't know about him and his plan it was luck that his plan was destroyed in last moment.Sorry but i failed to see where every country shoots to each other with nukes as far nukes were used as element of intimidation not as active war weapon because everyone knows that using that wouldn't be very smart.So sorry allowing mages to create another blight just to fight previous is just stupid it will left you not with 1 global disaster but with 2 or more and that is point... 

Well, apparently we know how the Blight was caused, and there's no mages with the resources to do that again. So there's little they can do to make things worse than they already have. (If it's even possible for **** to get worse while the world is ending around you.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, apparently we know how the Blight was caused, and there's no mages with the resources to do that again. So there's little they can do to make things worse than they already have. (If it's even possible for **** to get worse while the world is ending around you.)

How they don't have resources to do that blood magic sacrifice and lyrium and we have another group power hungry mages not mention this is only 1 way to end of the world sponsored by mages. And as i mentioned 1 mage was trying to summon army of demons (and he almost succeeded) so he could kill everyone just because (and we have a lot such mages/abomnations).There is a lot ways for mage to cause damge from local to world scale even just for 1 mage... 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

How they don't have resources to do that blood magic sacrifice and lyrium and we have another group power hungry mages not mention this is only 1 way to end of the world sponsored by mages. And as i mentioned 1 mage was trying to summon army of demons so he could kill everyone just because (and we have a lot such mages/abomnations).There is a lot ways for mage to cause damge from local to world scale even just for 1 mage... 

The world scale stuff takes a lot more than one mage. Both causing and ending. Or have you not read the Codex as to what it took to physically get the Magisters into the Fade?

 

Edit: Or do you not know what sort of scale a worldwide apocalypse would have to be on? Hint: Wiping out a city (which is the top-end of what abominations have been known to do so far) is not even close to the same thing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That may be possible but it is extremely unlikely. It is far more likely that they will need a mage from the circle especially given their limited medical knowledge. What evidence do you have to support your notion that the chantry could provide the same healing services and protection from sickness the circle could?

 

What evidence do you have that it's even the most likely place? I see your statement but nothing supporting it. I mentioned Wilhelm being no where near a chantry and I saw no sign of Wynne just hanging out there. There is also the lack of any mages hanging out in the chantry from Origins, Awakening or DA2 except for those who pretty much want to kill everyone in there. To me the evidence points far more strongly that the chantry is one of the last places a freed mage is going to hang out. A pub or their own home being far more likely.

 

I never mentioned anything about wrong or right. My statement was that given the danger posed by illness and the ability of healers to diminish that danger the tower is as safe for the child as the chantry and the tower may even be more secure. Sickness was after all the greatest killer of children in the dark ages. We're talking 2/3 children dieing before they hit 4.

All I'm saying is it is possible.

 

Because besides the Circle, Chantry buildings are where the most Templars are and their job is to watch mages. Wilhelm again is a rare case, Wynne you hear about in Asunder, You never enter the Chantry in Origins, Awakening I'll grant you, and in Kirkwall there is no need since there is a Circle next door in the harbor.

 

You seemed to be arguing that keeping the child with the mother would somehow reduce the risk of death or health problems. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

The world scale stuff takes a lot more than one mage. Both causing and ending. Or have you not read the Codex as to what it took to physically get the Magisters into the Fade?

Not rly as i said 1 mage spare for few mercenaries with him summoned (almost) army of demons alone.And he would succeed if not tallis and well you have your end of the world... As far i renember few magisters went to the fade all it took were slaves and large amount of lyrium and there is many other ways for end of the world. 

 

Like for example army of undead and abomnations just because 1 mage turned into it and created more abomnations...

[Cobra's_back]

Here's a scenario: An infant or toddler is crawling or walking around because that's what they do. They wander into a room where mages are practicing spells. They don't recognize the danger these spells are and continue crawling or walking. The apprentice mage, so focused on their spells so they don't lose control, accidentally strikes the infant or toddler. Child dies.

 

That's bad enough, but then there is the possibility of this as well: Either mage who killed it or parents of child are thrown into an emotional wreck. Demon takes moment of weakness and possesses said mage. An abomination is born.

 

This is why the circle needs to change into something else. You can't even have a family if you want one just because you are a mage. The whole system stinks if you can't have some basic rights. 

 

Wynne was dying and was given the spirit of Faith. Who would think that Wynne of Faith wanted the civil war to rage on in Orlais so that mages would be called on to help. She saw this as the only option for improvements to the mage situation.  That was found in pg. 125 Asunder. It sounded pretty desperate to me.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Not rly as i said 1 mage spare for few mercenaries with him summoned (almost) army of demons alone.And he would succeed if not tallis and well you have your end of the world... As far i renember few magisters went to the fade all it took were slaves and large amount of lyrium and there is many other ways for end of the world. 

 

Like for example army of undead and abomnations just because 1 mage turned into it and created more abomnations...

I sincerely doubt that any of that (barring the Blight, and you are massively understating the amounts of both lyrium and blood required) was world scale. You seem to have problems with the idea of world scale.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is why the circle needs to change into something else. You can't even have a family if you want one just because you are a mage. The whole system stinks if you can't have some basic rights. 

 

Wynne was dying and was given the spirit of Faith. Who would think that Wynne of Faith wanted the civil war to rage on in Orlais so that mages would be called on to help. She saw this as the only option for improvements to the mage situation.  That was found in pg. 125 Asunder. It sounded pretty desperate to me.

I think most of us agree that the Circle needs changes. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I sincerely doubt that any of that (barring the Blight, and you are massively understating the amounts of both lyrium and blood required) was world scale. You seem to have problems with the idea of world scale.

Yeah, continent scale maybe. And we don't even know how big Thedas is compared to the other continents. It could be the Australia of the world it is on.

[KainD]

Wynne was dying and was given the spirit of Faith. Who would think that Wynne of Faith wanted the civil war to rage on in Orlais so that mages would be called on to help. She saw this as the only option for improvements to the mage situation.  That was found in pg. 125 Asunder. It sounded pretty desperate to me.

 

Wynne is coming back in DA:I, and she will be possessed by a Demon of Despair this time. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yeah, continent scale maybe. And we don't even know how big Thedas is compared to the other continents. It could be the Australia of the world it is on.

I sincerely doubt that any of that was continent scale. No matter how elite, you're not going to take down a continent with a hundred people. Nor will you do so with a hundred lesser demons, though maybe a Despair Demon would have a chance. Uldred probably didn't, since even if he took down Ferelden Orlais would have thrown most of the Templar order at him. Much of the reason I think the darkspawn have a chance is because of how efficiently they breed. We are not talking hundreds there: even thousands is probably a gross understatement.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Do we have evidence it has effected anywhere else but Thedas? 

We have very little evidence that anywhere but Thedas exists, so we probably have no evidence the darkspawn have reached it.

[Hellion Rex]

I sincerely doubt that any of that was continent scale. No matter how elite, you're not going to take down a continent with a hundred people. Nor will you do so with a hundred lesser demons, though maybe a Despair Demon would have a chance. Uldred probably didn't, since even if he took down Ferelden Orlais would have thrown most of the Templar order at him. Much of the reason I think the darkspawn have a chance is because of how efficiently they breed. We are not talking hundreds there: even thousands is probably a gross understatement.

Definitely agree. In one of the novels, it mentioned that it would take plowing through tens of thousands of Darkspawn to reach one of the Old Gods. The darkspawn are numerous beyond calculation.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I sincerely doubt that any of that was continent scale. No matter how elite, you're not going to take down a continent with a hundred people. Nor will you do so with a hundred lesser demons, though maybe a Despair Demon would have a chance. Uldred probably didn't, since even if he took down Ferelden Orlais would have thrown most of the Templar order at him. Much of the reason I think the darkspawn have a chance is because of how efficiently they breed. We are not talking hundreds there: even thousands is probably a gross understatement.

I misunderstood what you were talking about. I thought you were saying the Blight wasn't world scale, to which I was agreeing.

 

 

We have very little evidence that anywhere but Thedas exists, so we probably have no evidence the darkspawn have reached it.

The Qunari come from another continent. 

[Hellion Rex]

The Qunari come from another continent. 

And they are the only ones who probably hold data on that land, and it doesn't look like they'd be keen on sharing.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Qunari come from another continent. 

Yes, but apart from that and the fact that humans are supposed to have done so I don't think we have any evidence that there's anything apart from Thedas. So, we have some evidence that Thedas isn't everything, but we know nothing apart from that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And they are the only ones who probably hold data on that land, and it doesn't look like they'd be keen on sharing.

Sure they are. Just join the Qun and they'll tell you everything you wish to know.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I sincerely doubt that any of that (barring the Blight, and you are massively understating the amounts of both lyrium and blood required) was world scale. You seem to have problems with the idea of world scale.

LoL... And what blights are local scale nope blight is danger for entire world and there is reason why most countries unite during blights... so yep it is world-scale as it is threat for entire world...

 

And still you fail to see that there are other ways even for single mage to bring end of the world or other devastating disasters...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

LoL... And what blights are local scale nope blight is danger for entire world and there is reason why most countries unite during blights... so yep it is world-scale as it is threat for entire world...

... try re-reading the post you just responded to. (Or think you just responded to.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

... try re-reading the post you just responded to. (Or think you just responded to.)

oh you didn't mean blights nope still curshed as i said army of demons....

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And still you fail to see that there are other ways even for single mage to bring end of the world or other devastating disasters...

I have yet to see any one mage even bring about the risk of an apocalypse. Yes, they've brought about horrible things, but since they're used to combat a potential doomsday scenario I really don't see how they can make things worse.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I have yet to see any one mage even bring about the risk of an apocalypse. Yes, they've brought about horrible things, but since they're used to combat a potential doomsday scenario I really don't see how they can make things worse.

hmmm here...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

hmmm here...

I pin that more on the artifact of the Elven gods than the mage himself. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I pin that more on the artifact of the Elven gods than the mage himself. 

Blood magic combined with mask end of the world which mean that even 1 mage can destroy world...