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[sunnydxmen]

Mages are born even if you kill all of them .new ones will be born so its a stupid plan that due nothing but fuel future hatred for those people.

[KainD]

in one word: yes.

Ironically makes our statements about stupid people stupid as well.

[EmissaryofLies]

I'd like to go old testament on Thedas. The place really needs a clean slate. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mages are born even if you kill all of them .new ones will be born so its a stupid plan that due nothing but fuel future hatred for those people.

And what will stop me from killing another generations of mages while they are still kids?

[TTTX]

Ironically makes our statements about stupid people stupid as well.

Yep.

 

But at least we acknowledged it, some people don't realize they are being well stupid.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yep.

 

But at least we acknowledged it, some people don't realize they are being well stupid.

We're as wise as... I think this one was Socrates?

[MisterJB]

Mages are born even if you kill all of them .new ones will be born so its a stupid plan that due nothing but fuel future hatred for those people.

 

A plan that requires the continued killing of a subsect of the population for eternity is not that different, speaking from a purely practical viewpoint, from the Circle which required the continued imprisionment of a subsect of the population for eternity. In fact, it would probably be more easily sustained due to not requiring the mantenaince of the Circles and because dead mages can't rebel.

 

Now, I'm not saying I actually support it, but if you are going to argue against it, do it because it's "morally wrong" not because it's "stupid".

[EmissaryofLies]

Mages are born even if you kill all of them .new ones will be born so its a stupid plan that due nothing but fuel future hatred for those people.

 

I wonder just how many Connors would slip through the cracks if such a policy were to be put into place. I wonder what happens when the other super powers covet a mage free state.

 

Removing the mages is an idiotic play as is removing anit-magical forces or Templars. 

[MisterJB]

Anders was brought from the Anderfels to Ferelden; I doubt his parents ever saw him again. All the Templars would have to say is that they're taking the kid to another country's Circle and the parents will be none the wiser when they just slit his throat in the woods. This would mantain the ilusion that they are being taken care of elsewhere which would reduce the number of "Connors" to little more than the already existing number of parents who hide their children and end up dead at an Abomination's hands.

[EmissaryofLies]

Until people find out about that and aggressively oppose it. Now Komandor has a civil war on his hands while the ever present Tevinter and Qunari could credibly move at any time in the near future. 

 

It is not intelligent in any way shape or form. 

[MisterJB]

Assuming they'd discover it, of course. Plus, there's no guarantee discovery would result in a civil war. The number of parents who actually appreciate their magical kids seem to be a minority and even when they do exist, it's always one part; I believe that the only instances we've heard of both mother and father wishing to keep their child was Meredith's sister and a noble or two.

On the other hand, we have plenty of examples against it: Ander's father hated him, Jowan's mother, the parents of one of Uldred's supporters disowned him with only his sister keeping in touch, Cole's dad actually killed his mother and tried to kill him, etc.

 

 

And yes, removing magical artillary from Andrastian armies while Qunari and Tevinter exist is a terrible idea. I'm just arguing that dissatisfied parents are really nothing that would stop his plan, if the Chantry really wanted to go through with it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Until people find out about that and aggressively oppose it. Now Komandor has a civil war on his hands while the ever present Tevinter and Qunari could credibly move at any time in the near future. 

 

It is not intelligent in any way shape or form. 

Not rly most majority don't care about their children if they are mages that is reason why most mages end in circle and we didn't had civil war or overwhelming defenders of mages rights... pretty much either if taken to the circle or killed parent will never see children again.

[EmissaryofLies]

Not rly most majority don't care about their children if they are mages that is reason why most mages end in circle and we didn't had civil war or overwhelming defenders of mages rights... pretty much either if taken to the circle or killed parent will never see children again.

 

As much as these parents might disdain their children I find it hard to believe that they'll just look the other way if they know that they're sending their kids to a certain death in Templar hands. 

 

Some will, certainly. But the majority? They'll likely have to sell that kool-aid somethin' fierce. 

[MisterJB]

Not entirely true. In places like Kirkwall, even Gamlen could visit Bethany. Most likely because the Circle is very close to the city.

 

Of course, all of the Circle could just be rellocated to remote areas to ensure no one would ask questions. Just keep the buildings empty or use it to garrison forces and claim you're keeping the mages there.

That way, even food suplliers won't raise suspicions.

[TheKomandorShepard]

As much as these parents might disdain their children I find it hard to believe that they'll just look the other way if they know that they're sending their kids to a certain death in Templar hands. 

 

Some will, certainly. But the majority? They'll likely have to sell that kool-aid somethin' fierce. 

As far most of society shows hate and fear toward mages so i don't see that as problem minority will cause some problems like isolde but as i said i want put new anti-mages policy to deal with such peoples.

 

Pretty much they send them in uncertain fate when templars take them to the circles they don't care another outright kick their children out of family when they see that they are mages and others try kill mage themelves...

[EmissaryofLies]

I do not doubt that it would work for a time. But people will ask questions. People will find out that they're killing mages. The response will vary, but there's little reason to believe that it will be overwhelmingly positive. 

 

Anyways, how would this even begin? How would you wipe out the mages as they are now without Andrastian society crumbling around you due to mass Abominations and destruction? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I do not doubt that it would work for a time. But people will ask questions. People will find out that they're killing mages. The response will vary, but there's little reason to believe that it will be overwhelmingly positive. 

 

Anyways, how would this even begin? How would you wipe out the mages as they are now without Andrastian society crumbling around you due to mass Abominations and destruction?

 

Simple form anti-magic order to deal with mages (not current) problem solved mages are dead and no danger anymore.

 

Hell even current veil situation can be easy excuse to start hunt on mages just tell that mages did it...

[MisterJB]

I do not doubt that it would work for a time. But people will ask questions. People will find out that they're killing mages. The response will vary, but there's little reason to believe that it will be overwhelmingly positive.

There is? Wynne&Co couldn't stay an hour in a village before a mob was formed. Likewise, we have been told many times of how many mage children never reach the Circle because they are lynched by their neighbours.

People utterly despise mages. The only real problem was that of the number of parents who hide their kids if they knew the Templars were just killing them would likely increase.

[EmissaryofLies]

Which gives the mages even more reason to use blood magic. Even more reason to unleash harvesters. Aren't there as many mages as there are Templars or close in number? Even if Templars outnumber them, doesn't it take multiple templars to take down one Abomination? 

 

Temps are the best anti magical force you have atm in Andrastian Thedas. Even the Qun isn't so shortsighted as to cut off one of its limbs. 

[EmissaryofLies]

There is? Wynne&Co couldn't stay an hour in a village before a mob was formed. Likewise, we have been told many times of how many mage children never reach the Circle because they are lynched by their neighbours.

People utterly despise mages. The only real problem was that of the number of parents who hide their kids if they knew the Templars were just killing them would likely increase.

 

Exactly my point. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Exactly my point. 

As i said i have solutions on such problems so well...

 

 

Which gives the mages even more reason to use blood magic. Even more reason to unleash harvesters. Aren't there as many mages as there are Templars or close in number? Even if Templars outnumber them, doesn't it take multiple templars to take down one Abomination? 

 

Temps are the best anti magical force you have atm in Andrastian Thedas. Even the Qun isn't so shortsighted as to cut off one of it's limbs. 

 

And how mage will use blood magic when they are dead? Second harvester is is the result of research not any mage can turn into that when they can in fact i prefer fight 1 harvester than army of them caused by power hungry mage...

 

Temps need to be replaced as they are soft for now they may be best but it isn't peak that anti-mages with certain methods and traning can reach...

[MisterJB]

Exactly my point. 

I know. I was just countering the point that the idea of dead mages wouldn't be met with overwhelming joy in Thedas. If anything, what we know about the place tells us otherwise.
 

[EmissaryofLies]

Realistically, you are correct. The objection that I have is that parents believe that they're simply sending their kids to a place of learning at best and a quarantine at worst. When they eventually find out that they're just killing their kids, it might give them a paternal pause. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Realistically, you are correct. The objection that I have is that parents believe that they're simply sending their kids to a place of learning at best and a quarantine at worst. When they eventually find out that they're just killing their kids, it might give them a paternal pause. 

Meh small sample

[EmissaryofLies]

Not to mention that the nobles who do hide their children have a means to fight back against the Chantry if it comes down to it. This also makes the Chantry antagonistic in more than just mage eyes.