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[Divine Justinia V]

off-topic: Get this, someone actually edited Merrill's entry into the Dragon Age Wiki so it takes her side in her arguments against Marethari.

 

I thought only BioWare could edit that specifically because they wanted to avoid that from happening

[Hellion Rex]

I thought only BioWare could edit that specifically because they wanted to avoid that from happening

I'm a regular editor on the Wiki. It's not controlled by Bioware at all.

[Hellion Rex]

off-topic: Get this, someone actually edited Merrill's entry into the Dragon Age Wiki so it takes her side in her arguments against Marethari.

That's ridiculous. Those articles are meant to be free of bias.

[AresKeith]

off-topic: Get this, someone actually edited Merrill's entry in the Dragon Age Wiki so it takes her side in her arguments against Marethari.

 

Lol oh them 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I like that. Do I need to have her ruler alone or ruler with Alistair?

I don't think Alistair gets in her way on this.

[Dean_the_Young]

That's ridiculous. Those articles are meant to be free of bias.

 

That's quite the powerful sarcasm there.

[Hellion Rex]

That's quite the powerful sarcasm there.

Except it wasn't....

[EmissaryofLies]

Deja vu mon ami.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh definitely. However, perhaps you could introduce some Dissonant Verses as well.

What purpose would they serve? They could teach about the historical Shartan, but why teach about the theological Shartan from the Chant?

[Electric Shamisen]

So, we're all in agreement that the Qunari know whats up? Its extensively harsh, yes, but you never hear about them getting slaughtered by summoned demons and abominations. With everything wrong that the mages have done in the past it honestly seems like a preferable alternative after seeing the tevinter, the birth of the darkspawn, the countless demons that have gotten through, the amount of bloodshed and chaos made in their attempted revolt and in general, and now very likely having to do with the fade getting torn open. Individual magic users may be fine but on a whole they've caused much more trouble for everybody than should be allowed. Mages really are saarebas. Dangerous things. 

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

What purpose would they serve? They could teach about the historical Shartan, but why teach about the theological Shartan from the Chant?

 

Why not though? What purpose does it serve to leave out his part in the Chant?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why not though? What purpose does it serve to leave out his part in the Chant?

I'd imagine that the main reason that any of the verses were cut from the Chant would be political. Unless it is the Chantry itself that provides the education, chances are that anyone teaching about the dissonant verses wil lattract the ire of the Chantry, which is not something you want to do as a fledgeling education service.

[Hellion Rex]

I'd imagine that the main reason that any of the verses were cut from the Chant would be political. Unless it is the Chantry itself that provides the education, chances are that anyone teaching about the dissonant verses wil lattract the ire of the Chantry, which is not something you want to do as a fledgeling education service.

True. And for the record, it was most definitely political. It seems his Canticle was stricken when they launched the Exalted March on the Dales, which makes sense. So, in hindsight, I could see them not wanting to spread that "heretical" knowledge.

[EmperorSahlertz]

True. And for the record, it was most definitely political. It seems his Canticle was stricken when they launched the Exalted March on the Dales, which makes sense. So, in hindsight, I could see them not wanting to spread that "heretical" knowledge.

I don't think anyone doubts that Shartan ever existed (of those privy to historical knowledge anyway), so they can teach of the historical figure as much as tehy want. It is the Dissonant Verse which is difficult, since the Chantry considers it heresy.

[Dean_the_Young]

Except it wasn't....

 

Your act of inncence is quite convincing.

[Hellion Rex]

Your act of inncence is quite convincing.

Ummm....ok?

[EmissaryofLies]

So, we're all in agreement that the Qunari know whats up? Its extensively harsh, yes, but you never hear about them getting slaughtered by summoned demons and abominations. With everything wrong that the mages have done in the past it honestly seems like a preferable alternative after seeing the tevinter, the birth of the darkspawn, the countless demons that have gotten through, the amount of bloodshed and chaos made in their attempted revolt and in general, and now very likely having to do with the fade getting torn open. Individual magic users may be fine but on a whole they've caused much more trouble for everybody than should be allowed. Mages really are saarebas. Dangerous things. 

 

Indeed. 

 

And so are the flintbangers. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

So, we're all in agreement that the Qunari know whats up? Its extensively harsh, yes, but you never hear about them getting slaughtered by summoned demons and abominations.

I think there was one Qunari mage who snapped in Redemption, went Tal'Vashoth, and tried to destroy the world starting with the Qunari. (I don't think he had a prayer of doing so, but it's the thought that counts really.)

[Hellion Rex]

So, we're all in agreement that the Qunari know whats up? Its extensively harsh, yes, but you never hear about them getting slaughtered by summoned demons and abominations. With everything wrong that the mages have done in the past it honestly seems like a preferable alternative after seeing the tevinter, the birth of the darkspawn, the countless demons that have gotten through, the amount of bloodshed and chaos made in their attempted revolt and in general, and now very likely having to do with the fade getting torn open. Individual magic users may be fine but on a whole they've caused much more trouble for everybody than should be allowed. Mages really are saarebas. Dangerous things. 

Not just no. How about HELL NO.

[Electric Shamisen]

I think there was one Qunari mage who snapped in Redemption, went Tal'Vashoth, and tried to destroy the world starting with the Qunari. (I don't think he had a prayer of doing so, but it's the thought that counts really.)

I'll concede that. Obviously isn't perfect in the slightest and is morally bankrupt at worst. Cruel even. 

 

Not just no. How about HELL NO

Well, we need to deal with the mages somehow. Can't just let such wild untamed power loose, so there needs to be containment. So far we have the templar method and the qunari method. If a third one that is less... necessarily evil comes up I'd be fine with it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, we need to deal with the mages somehow. Can't just let such wild untamed power loose, so there needs to be containment. So far we have the templar method and the qunari method. If a third one that is less... necessarily evil comes up I'd be fine with it.

My plan is to try and institute such reforms as will cause the Circle to be more palatable, probably by re-training such of the Templars as can be taught how to see mages as human with the aid of those Templars who already do. I'd also make mages more free, if the individual mage in question has managed to make his/her powers less wild and untamed than should cause concern. (Or at least I will if Bioware gives me the option, though something approaching this is probably going to be on the table.)

[Electric Shamisen]

My plan is to try and institute such reforms as will cause the Circle to be more palatable, probably by re-training such of the Templars as can be taught how to see mages as human with the aid of those Templars who already do. I'd also make mages more free, if the individual mage in question has managed to make his/her powers less wild and untamed than should cause concern. (Or at least I will if Bioware gives me the option, though something approaching this is probably going to be on the table.)

That could work. I especially like the idea of mages being able to earn more freedoms through diligence and discipline rather than the apparent mage revolt's mentality of "everybody should be free, even those who are easy demon pickings". That said, we've seen those with high control fall to darkness before, so I wouldn't let the leash get too loose. One bad mage can do a lot of damage so its still a rather risky way to go about it. Its more humane than the qunari, but it does little to eliminate the threat. Of course assuming the templars are in any position where they want to negotiate and not just crack down harder.

[KainD]

Well, we need to deal with the mages somehow.

Who we? Some of us are not mundanes like you.

[EmissaryofLies]

In my particular field of expertise I can be considered a wizard...

[DKJaigen]

Well, if given the power Anora will apparently create a university based on a recently built Orlesian model. And apparently the Chantry is not okay with any of this for roughly the reason you gave. Though on the other hand it's not made clear if those of common birth are allowed to study at this University. (Though I can't see Anora objecting.)

 

The values of the nobility are of course different. While its very likely that the commoners will be admitted into Anora' s university But Celene had to work hard to get the nobility to this point.