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[The Qun & the Damned]

Of course they will but they will be a rarity with proper system and it won't be enough to be even challenge for system not mention to overthrow it... And as i said technology progress and lack of destruction done to communities will make thedas stronger... And veil being torn will be faster much faster with mages than without...

So yep my theory works especially that genocide isn't something uncommon in thedas so well good luck with that...

Okay, you're clearly an insane person incapable of reason or using logic unless it's the logic used of a psychopathic that demands the deaths of people based on "possibility"and for that I deeply regret even reading this thread, let alone, remembering people like you even exist

[Ianamus]

 

As a pro mage the only problem I see are non-mages who are forcing mages to go into desperate situation.

 

That doesn't change the fact that if mages did not exist none of those things would have happened. 

 

If you consider how many people have died as the result of magic and the blights I think the death count in Thedas would actually be significantly lower if every mage had been killed the second they showed any signs of powers. Not that I'm arguing that they should, but it's still a pretty good indication of why giving mages complete freedom is an unrealistic pipe dream. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Okay, you're clearly an insane person incapable of reason or using logic unless it's the logic used of a psychopathic that demands the deaths of people based on "possibility"and for that I deeply regret even reading this thread, let alone, remembering people like you even exist

LoL logic and morality often eat each other so well... psychopatic?   oh damn yes i demand death peoples that are extremely dangerous and destructive for world that my pc lives how horrible but i don't see that you cry for peoples that your country killed for you in wars no well i don't as well... 

 

In this world it is eather you or peoples that are threat for you thats why leaders do shady things...

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I would argue and probably argue correctly that if you put together all the deaths caused by mages would be less than all the deaths that the mundane have caused. How many thousands of people are killed for each Exalted March? How many deaths have been caused between other mundane ruled countries trying to grab land and power?

 

The selective judgment of people who condemn mages and then pretend like the world would be a happy place without those evil mages is amazing to me.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I would argue and probably argue correctly that if you put together all the deaths caused by mages would be less than all the deaths that the mundane have caused. How many thousands of people are killed for each Exalted March? How many deaths have been caused between other mundane ruled countries trying to grab land and power?

 

The selective judgment of people who condemn mages and then pretend like the world would be a happy place without those evil mages is amazing to me.

 

Mages are minority and are danger to the world besides to stop wars killing all humans would be necessary which pretty much would kill any point of doing that not mention that it is impossible as i doubt that i will convince all humans to suicide.So in fact only killing mages significantly lower victims and destruction.

 

So it isn't about happy utopia just about survival and more stable world to ensure the survival. 

[A.Kazama]

LoL logic and morality often eat each other so well... psychopatic?   oh damn yes i demand death peoples that are extremely dangerous and destructive for world that my pc lives how horrible but i don't see that you cry for peoples that your country killed for you in wars no well i don't as well... 
 
In this world it is eather you or peoples that are threat for you thats why leaders do shady things...

Lol I swear you are the embodiment Of a reaper on this forum.

"You cannot begin to comprehend us!"

But in a weird sort of way I get your drift and the arguments you are making are pretty solid the only problem is morals... Morals will always be in our way when it comes to stuff like genocide in this day and age. ( I'm talking about real life in this case and I think most are tending to not agree with you because it's hard to imagine stuff like this in real life)

Genocide... It's wrong and we know it. Simple as that.

I'm pro Mage myself but I agree with the circle it's probably he only solution which ends peacefully with minimal casualties (this is an outcome where both sides have he most success at being happy)

Although your option is a well thought out one. it's hardly moralistic and it would be hard to get people with actual emotions to commit heartless acts.

Meh guess we'Ll never find out... Not unless you have a 'dragon age universe genocide simulator'...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lol I swear you are the embodiment Of a reaper on this forum.

"You cannot begin to comprehend us!"

But in a weird sort of way I get your drift and the arguments you are making are pretty solid the only problem is morals... Morals will always be in our way when it comes to stuff like genocide in this day and age. ( I'm talking about real life in this case and I think most are tending to not agree with you because it's hard to imagine stuff like this in real life)

Genocide... It's wrong and we know it. Simple as that.

I'm pro Mage myself but I agree with the circle it's probably he only solution which ends peacefully with minimal casualties (this is an outcome where both sides have he most success at being happy)

Although your option is a well thought out one. it's hardly moralistic and it would be hard to get people with actual emotions to commit heartless acts.

Meh guess we'Ll never find out... Not unless you have a 'dragon age universe genocide simulator'...

Kind of insulting towards the Reapers, don't you think? I mean, they at least want to preserve the races they kill as data and more Reapers. 

[Ianamus]

I would argue and probably argue correctly that if you put together all the deaths caused by mages would be less than all the deaths that the mundane have caused. How many thousands of people are killed for each Exalted March? How many deaths have been caused between other mundane ruled countries trying to grab land and power?

 

The selective judgment of people who condemn mages and then pretend like the world would be a happy place without those evil mages is amazing to me.

 

The blights have killed far more people than anything else in Thedas, and they are the result of mages. The first one alone wiped out the entire Dwarven empire. 

 

How many Elves died when the Tevinter Imperium sunk Arlathan? 

 

Plus it's specifically stated that the Chantry only won their exalted March against the Qunari because of the mages.

 

Thedas is obviously not all sunshine and rainbows, but magic (and, by extension, mages) definitely have a high death toll to account for, equal to or even greater than that of non-mages. And considering that their group is a very small minority minority that is really saying something.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lol I swear you are the embodiment Of a reaper on this forum.

"You cannot begin to comprehend us!"

But in a weird sort of way I get your drift and the arguments you are making are pretty solid the only problem is morals... Morals will always be in our way when it comes to stuff like genocide in this day and age. ( I'm talking about real life in this case and I think most are tending to not agree with you because it's hard to imagine stuff like this in real life)

Genocide... It's wrong and we know it. Simple as that.

I'm pro Mage myself but I agree with the circle it's probably he only solution which ends peacefully with minimal casualties (this is an outcome where both sides have he most success at being happy)

Although your option is a well thought out one. it's hardly moralistic and it would be hard to get people with actual emotions to commit heartless acts.

Meh guess we'Ll never find out... Not unless you have a 'dragon age universe genocide simulator'...

 

Damn it seems that im worst thing on thins planet considering what titles peoples try put on my business card

 

Do i have tell you that genocide isn't something uncommon in thedas? Examples are elves or even RoA no one have problem with that outside few individuals and even they fear tell that in public...

 

Peoples love speak about morals and how good they are but when difficult situation shows they throw that morals the garbage and do what is most beneficial...

And mages are had situation and to be honest most of peoples hate mages and they have good reason behind it it isn't just "black man is devil son" reason why peoples hate mages is real they are destructive and harm a lot peoples.And if you want confirmation listen only peoples in ferelden who talk about mages they proposed my solution themselves. 

 

About peoples having problem with merciless acts thats why i want train new anti-magical order where anti-mages will be trained to be ruthless still as a child.

 

 

 

Kind of insulting towards the Reapers, don't you think? I mean, they at least want to preserve the races they kill as data and more Reapers. 

 

And what im trying to do? Save humans making human world more stable however i won't hide behind "noble" cases as i want improve them just for my sake.

[EmissaryofLies]

Mages cause a lot of problems. 

 

So do the mundanes or does not the civil wars, Qunari, exalted marches, etc. count?

[EmissaryofLies]

This entire issue is really starting to fatigue me. I'll laugh my ass off if mages end up once again saving the day in Inquisition.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And what im trying to do? Save humans making human world more stable however i won't hide behind "noble" cases as i want improve them just for my sake.

Unless you are planning to preserve the mages to the point where you don't see them as dead, then the Reaper's harvests are more kind than your plan. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mages cause a lot of problems. 

 

So do the mundanes or does not the civil wars, Qunari, exalted marches, etc. count?

How many times non-mages wanted destroy world or were close to that or brought another destructive disaster? 

How many times mages did above?

 

 

This entire issue is really starting to fatigue me. I'll laugh my ass off if mages end up once again saving the day in Inquisition.

Once again when they did that? Because as far i remember they were busy doing problems for main or side quests...

Not mention that it is mage who probably opens veil sorry it have to be mage or demon which mean abomnation because only they can rip veil without hundreds of battles in 1 place...

 

 

 

Unless you are planning to preserve the mages to the point where you don't see them as dead, then the Reaper's harvests are more kind than your plan. 

Well but my plan still includes preserving human kind well more ensuring survival of them by killing destructive minority but right i don't plan like reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well but my plan still includes preserving human kind well more ensuring survival of them by killing destructive minority but right i don't plan like reapers.

So you admit the Reapers are more benevolent than you?

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Guys, stop arguing. It's clear that this thread is full of mage-haters, which do not see any reasons if they don't want to.

I tried to be soft and civilized, but the whole "killing all the mages" thing just sounds stupid. There I said it. Sorry.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So you admit the Reapers are more benevolent than you?

Well benevolent? they killed billions if not more to create few individuals and fullfill their goals i would say that we both don't care morality only about goals but we just have different goals.

 

 

Guys, stop arguing. It's clear that this thread is full of mage-haters, which do not see any reasons if they don't want to.

I tried to be soft and civilized, but the whole "killing all the mages" thing just sounds stupid. There I said it. Sorry.

 

You are way too emotional to understand cold logic thats why you don't get it that it isn't stupid it is about makin human communities more stable and progressive.   

[SamaraDraven]

The Veil isn't a problem. It keeps the Fade and the real world separated. While a mage can tear it or weaken it so can an over abundance of mundane death and destruction. And here's a kick in the pants for you: if the Veil can tear without the aid of magic, but we don't know of a mundane way to repair it and all mages were destroyed; who is going to close it again?

 

Mages are a potential. They are a potential benefit. They can heal and create.... They are also only a potential problem. They aren't automatically a problem because they're mages. They have abilities that others don't and like with anything, it can be misused. The vagaries of man would still exist, with or without mages. A power hungry man who happens to have a large army under his command or a power hungry man who happens to have magic can both do considerable damage. Most mages don't welcome possession as a matter of course. Most of those examples are seen to occur in desperate situations, like with Thrask's daughter. You back anyone into a corner and they will fight dirty, mage or not.

 

Magic is only a problem because it is abused at times, which is what I believe Andraste meant when she said it should serve man and not rule over him. As for the Blights? We have the Chantry's word that it was caused by mages. Like with any ancient, unverifiable allegory, I question it's voracity because history is written by the victors after all and among the victors there will always be those who seek to serve their own cause by any means necessary.

 

I feel magic should be treated with respect. Mages should be educated and there should be some kind of checks system for them. Gun owners have to have a license to legally carry. Yes, I know mages don't choose to have magic but it is still a potential weapon. I don't agree that they should be wiped out or locked up. They aren't criminals just because they were born having magic. They deserve to live and to have the right to self determination like regular people. Most of the worst examples of mages-gone-abomination are as a result of the oppression and abuse they suffer. Any person, mage or not, would become the most vicious of animals if denied freedom, the right to pursue happiness, abused and threatened with death and/or a fate worse than death. Getting rid of mages would be like me taking away all the toys my kids bicker over rather than teaching them to share. It's the easy way out and disservices everyone because there will always be mages born every day. Learning to co-exist and finding a compromise is the only lasting solution I see.

[Hydromatic]

Even sarcastic Hawke in DA2 was like "I would like to go 1 day without running into an insane blood mage. Just ONE DAY."

 

 

There's alot.

[EmissaryofLies]

Not even going to get into it, Komandor.

 

You wish to kill mages, I wish to uplift them. 

 

That is where it begins and where it ends, mon ami. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well benevolent? they killed billions if not more to create few individuals and fullfill their goals i would say that we both don't care morality only about goals but we just have different goals

They don't see it as them killing the races, but preserving them in Reaper form. So it would be "we killed no races and made more Reapers".

 

However, this is not a ME thread, so we should stop.

[EmissaryofLies]

I call dibs on the Red Templar/Templar thread. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

They don't see it as them killing the races, but preserving them in Reaper form. So it would be "we killed no races and made more Reapers".

 

However, this is not a ME thread, so we should stop.

They are killing billions of beings to create 1 being (reaper) and they hardly care how that beings feel about it i doubt that something you would call nice

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They are killing billions of beings to create 1 being (reaper) and they hardly care how that beings feel about it i doubt that something you would call nice

They don't see it as killing, but transforming the life into data and storing it in a Reaper shell.

 

Again(since you didn't listen the first time), we should drop the Reaper talk since this isn't a Mass Effect thread.

[EmissaryofLies]

The Veil isn't a problem. It keeps the Fade and the real world separated. While a mage can tear it or weaken it so can an over abundance of mundane death and destruction. And here's a kick in the pants for you: if the Veil can tear without the aid of magic, but we don't know of a mundane way to repair it and all mages were destroyed; who is going to close it again?

 

Mages are a potential. They are a potential benefit. They can heal and create.... They are also only a potential problem. They aren't automatically a problem because they're mages. They have abilities that others don't and like with anything, it can be misused. The vagaries of man would still exist, with or without mages. A power hungry man who happens to have a large army under his command or a power hungry man who happens to have magic can both do considerable damage. Most mages don't welcome possession as a matter of course. Most of those examples are seen to occur in desperate situations, like with Thrask's daughter. You back anyone into a corner and they will fight dirty, mage or not.

 

Magic is only a problem because it is abused at times, which is what I believe Andraste meant when she said it should serve man and not rule over him. As for the Blights? We have the Chantry's word that it was caused by mages. Like with any ancient, unverifiable allegory, I question it's voracity because history is written by the victors after all and among the victors there will always be those who seek to serve their own cause by any means necessary.

 

I feel magic should be treated with respect. Mages should be educated and there should be some kind of checks system for them. Gun owners have to have a license to legally carry. Yes, I know mages don't choose to have magic but it is still a potential weapon. I don't agree that they should be wiped out or locked up. They aren't criminals just because they were born having magic. They deserve to live and to have the right to self determination like regular people. Most of the worst examples of mages-gone-abomination are as a result of the oppression and abuse they suffer. Any person, mage or not, would become the most vicious of animals if denied freedom, the right to pursue happiness, abused and threatened with death and/or a fate worse than death. Getting rid of mages would be like me taking away all the toys my kids bicker over rather than teaching them to share. It's the easy way out and disservices everyone because there will always be mages born every day. Learning to co-exist and finding a compromise is the only lasting solution I see.

 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

We have no idea what caused the first Blight so until we actually do please keep your baseless Chantry talking points to yourself. The only thing we know for sure is that without mages creating the Grey Wardens the Blight would have destroyed everything in Thedas. So the only thing we know for sure is mages saved Thedas.

 

So you admit that without mages the Qunari would have concurred all of Thedas and everyone would be a mindless drone with no freedom? Good mages save Thedas for the second time.