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You got to admit, the veil and mages REALLY DO cause a lot of problems.


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I also forgot to highlight the fact that Kirkwall is sitting on a hell mouth where the veil is already about to tear open. The idiot who thought it was a good idea to put any mage in that city should be shot...In the eye with Bianca. Yet the circle mages never snapped. Not until Meredith finally got her wish to exterminate them all for a crime they had no hand in. 

 

Templars are not harmless. Mages are rarely abominations. Most that we've seen are not even capable of "destroying the world". 



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I also forgot to highlight the fact that Kirkwall is sitting on a hell mouth where the veil is already about to tear open. The idiot who thought it was a good idea to put any mage in that city should be shot...In the eye with Bianca. Yet the circle mages never snapped. Not until Meredith finally got her wish to exterminate them all for a crime they had no hand in. 

 

Templars are not harmless. Mages are rarely abominations. Most that we've seen are not even capable of "destroying the world". 

  :lol:

LoL do i have to tell numbers of that circle mages roaming in city as abomnation or insane blood mages so please spare me how innocent they were even hawke mentioned that he wanted 1 week without insane blood mage and in cut ending even hawke could admit that she was right ... ;)

 

Yes templars are harmless they don't focus on anyone outside mages and only to protect thedas sometimes they protect common folks like during blight or danger like elves or qunari...

 

And no mages aren't rarely abomnation play games and count... Yep free mages freedom for abomnation they aren't capable destroying the world i mean what is army of undead and abomnation?



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mages resort to blood magic and demons for help cuz of the templars want to lock them up and try to seal their magic so they cant cuz harm im a mage i do blood magic in dao the first darkspawn was a group of mages who enter the golden city cuz the dragon who was acting as a god trick them and wanting the mages to weaken the veil for the demons to tear through to the world and enslave or kill the maker human children

 



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Pfff, blood mages in Kirkwall. Hawke runs into so many people trying to kill her that the blood mages kinda blend into the crimson Pollack painting.

 

And no mages aren't rarely abomnation play games and count... Yep free mages freedom for abomnation they aren't capable destroying the world i mean what is army of undead and abomnation?

 

While this is an issue of gameplay/story segregation, if you were to actually count the amount of abominations encountered in both DA:O and 2, it would likely be a miniscule percentage of the population of the total mages in Ferelden, let alone Thedas.


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mages resort to blood magic and demons for help cuz of the templars want to lock them up and try to seal their magic so they cant cuz harm im a mage i do blood magic in dao the first darkspawn was a group of mages who enter the golden city cuz the dragon who was acting as a god trick them and wanting the mages to weaken the veil for the demons to tear through to the world and enslave or kill the maker human children

Sometimes ,and no

Most blood mages were in it for power or out of insanity...

And we don't know old god/s goal but mages were power hungry and went to gold/black city for power

 

 

Pfff, blood mages in Kirkwall. Hawke runs into so many people trying to kill her that the blood mages kinda blend into the crimson Pollack painting.

Bandits will rob you in night blood mages will create army of undead or summon demons and attack your town burning it... (and thats one of best scenarios)



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  :lol:

LoL do i have to tell numbers of that circle mages roaming in city as abomnation or insane blood mages so please spare me how innocent they were even hawke mentioned that he wanted 1 week without insane blood mage and in cut ending even hawke could admit that she was right ... ;)

 

Yes templars are harmless they don't focus on anyone outside mages and only to protect thedas sometimes they protect common folks like during blight or danger like elves or qunari...

 

And no mages aren't rarely abomnation play games and count... Yep free mages freedom for abomnation they aren't capable destroying the world i mean what is army of undead and abomnation?

 

Even Hawke could oppose the circle as slavery. Even Hawke could say that not all mages are the same. Even Hawke can Champion the mages. 

 

They are not harmless to mages or elves, therefore they are not 'harmless'. Meredith wasn't even harmless to Kirkwall, she was sending death squads to murder people who allegedly let mages eat food and sleep on their couch. While she was busy with taking over the city, Aveline and her guard were the only people who gave a god damn about the common folks. Templars. Are. Not. Harmless. 

 

I don't even know why I try anymore. I'm done with this. 


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Even Hawke could oppose the circle as slavery. Even Hawke could say that not all mages are the same. Even Hawke can Champion the mages. 

 

They are not harmless to mages or elves, therefore they are not 'harmless'. Meredith wasn't even harmless to Kirkwall, she was sending death squads to murder people who allegedly let mages eat food and sleep on their couch. While she was busy with taking over the city, Aveline and her guard were the only people who gave a god damn about the common folks. Templars. Are. Not. Harmless. 

 

I don't even know why I try anymore. I'm done with this. 

Yes hawke could oppsse circle clavery same hawke was backstabbed by mages that was helping in and meredith was proven be right...

 

LoL please stop it and don't make me laugh...

As i said they protect world from mages and most mages they kill deserve on that as they pose threat for the world mostly reason behind RoA... elves lol they don't touch elves outisde dalish event where elves took their circle mage that was threat they don't deal with elves... unless of coruse they are danger for peoples that templars are protecting.

 

So yes templars are harmless for the world and in fact they are protecting it as it is main goal of templars....



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Bandits will rob you in night blood mages will create army of undead or summon demons and attack your town burning it... (and thats one of best scenarios)

 

Or qunari could burn the city instead, or Orlesians can invade and enslave the entire country for a century. Whichever comes first, I guess.



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Or qunari could burn the city instead, or Orlesians can invade and enslave the entire country for a century. Whichever comes first, I guess.

Qunari in fact don't go after destruction only after domination they don't want destroy civilization they want replace it in fact they go for as little death as they can...

Orlesians also never want destruction only expansion sure they are far from nice they won't destroy world.

 

In fact there are only 2 groups that want destruction (at least known) darkspawn and abominations including few mages.In fact non-mage would need army of peoples that agree on their goal and there is no way that non-mage would convince army of peoples to kill everyone such leader would be put down in fact many others who would do smiliar thing would be... 



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Qunari in fact don't go after destruction only after domination they don't want destroy civilization they want replace it in fact they go for as little death as they can...

Orlesians also never want destruction only expansion sure they are far from nice they won't destroy world.

 

In fact there are only 2 groups that want destruction (at least known) darkspawn and abominations including few mages.In fact non-mage would need army of peoples that agree on their goal and there is no way that non-mage would convince army of peoples to kill everyone such leader would be put down in fact many others who would do smiliar thing would be... 

 

The point is that none of these groups are truly capable of destroying the world anyway. As powerful as abominations are, they are incapable of destroying civilization as Thedas knows it. If that was the case, they would have done this, or at least come very close, a long time ago.


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The point is that none of these groups are truly capable of destroying the world anyway. As powerful as abominations are, they are incapable of destroying civilization as Thedas knows it. If that was the case, they would have done this, or at least come very close, a long time ago.

It is saying that darkspawn aren't truly capable of destroying the world because they would have do that already... In fact it takes 1 blood mage so he could summon army of demons and torn veil so i don't reason why demon wouldn't do same pretty much if mages weren't hunted by templars that how it would end... Abomnation will create more abomnations or start creating undead army have some time and we have army of undead or destructive monsters...



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Oh The Irony of certain mages tarnish magic everywhere from starting the blight, the werewolf curse, kirkwall rebellion, to elven slavery.

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Oh The Irony of certain mages tarnish magic everywhere from starting the blight, the werewolf curse, kirkwall rebellion, to elven slavery.

 

If you believe the Chantry on the start of the blights. Whether there's a direct correlation between the Magisters like Corypheus who became the first Awakened Darkspawn and the actual first darkspawn is another matter without much evidence going one way or another. 



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It is saying that darkspawn aren't truly capable of destroying the world because they would have do that already... In fact it takes 1 blood mage so he could summon army of demons and torn veil so i don't reason why demon wouldn't do same pretty much if mages weren't hunted by templars that how it would end... Abomnation will create more abomnations or start creating undead army have some time and we have army of undead or destructive monsters...

 

Actually, as far as threats to the entire continent go, the darkspawn present the greatest potential, that is, so long as there are still Old Gods remaining. The only difference is that it takes more time for them to become an organized horde. The first Blight lasted for generations, and the Deep Roads provides a very effective means of invading every corner of the continent. Aside from that, they are also a massive ecological disaster. Unlike mages, they aren't limited by basic needs, like food, or sleep. A single mage at the epicenter of an undead ass-plosion can be killed by anyone, whereas a tainted dragon at the center of a horde requires a specialized group, of which there are only ever a small percentage of the population, in order to slay it. Funny thing about the fifth Blight is that it was kind of dumb luck and Riordan's cojones that it was so short.


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Actually, as far as threats to the entire continent go, the darkspawn present the greatest potential, that is, so long as there are still Old Gods remaining. The only difference is that it takes more time for them to become an organized horde. The first Blight lasted for generations, and the Deep Roads provides a very effective means of invading every corner of the continent. Aside from that, they are also a massive ecological disaster. Unlike mages, they aren't limited by basic needs, like food, or sleep. A single mage at the epicenter of an undead ass-plosion can be killed by anyone, whereas a tainted dragon at the center of a horde requires a specialized group, of which there are only ever a small percentage of the population, in order to slay it. Funny thing about the fifth Blight is that it was kind of dumb luck and some wild recklessness on Riordan's part that it was so short.

 

Darkspawn need time to destroy world and they can do that in 1 way in fact darkspawn are 1 world-destructive disasters caused by mages...

When darkspawn are only 1 way to destroy world for mage we saw few for mages to do that...

Not mention that abomnation isn't so easy to kill in fact more powerful abomnation wouldn't have much problem with destroying anyone outside chuck norris like warden or hawke...

 

and i agree that ending blight id based on luck dependent whether archdemon is killed...



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Darkspawn need time to destroy world and they can do that in 1 way in fact darkspawn are 1 world-destructive disasters caused by mages...

When darkspawn are only 1 way to destroy world for mage we saw few for mages to do that...

Not mention that abomnation isn't so easy to kill in fact more powerful abomnation wouldn't have much problem with destroying anyone outside chuck norris like warden or hawke...

 

and i agree that ending blight id based on luck dependent whether archdemon is killed...

 

I didn't say that an abomination is easy to kill, but rather that an abomination requires no special factor in doing so other than the combatant's ability to wield magic or use a weapon. The archdemon is a much different story. It's not just a matter of luck depending on whether or not it can be slain, but rather if it's slain by a member of an order that is relatively small in number. It's dumb luck that these few should survive a massive campaign against a full-blown army. In-universe, the battle for Denerim had the three remaining Wardens leading the assault. If all three of them died, Ferelden would have become a darkspawn ridden hellhole and the Orlesian wardens would have a hell of a time making their way to it. But by then, they would have overrun the major cities and would have already been dragging people underground to make new broodmothers.



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Darkspawn need time to destroy world and they can do that in 1 way in fact darkspawn are 1 world-destructive disasters caused by mages...

When darkspawn are only 1 way to destroy world for mage we saw few for mages to do that...

Not mention that abomnation isn't so easy to kill in fact more powerful abomnation wouldn't have much problem with destroying anyone outside chuck norris like warden or hawke...

 

and i agree that ending blight id based on luck dependent whether archdemon is killed...

 

Name one mage, just one, who wanted to destroy the world and had the power to do so.



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I didn't say that an abomination is easy to kill, but rather that an abomination requires no special factor in doing so other than the combatant's ability to wield magic or use a weapon. The archdemon is a much different story. It's not just a matter of luck depending on whether or not it can be slain, but rather if it's slain by a member of an order that is relatively small in number. It's dumb luck that these few should survive a massive campaign against a full-blown army. In-universe, the battle for Denerim had the three remaining Wardens leading the assault. If all three of them died, Ferelden would have become a darkspawn ridden hellhole and the Orlesian wardens would have a hell of a time making their way to it. But by then, they would have overrun the major cities and would have already been dragging people underground to make new broodmothers.

Then you are right here... but now here we have problem that is different you can kill abomnation but it won't stop other abomnations or army of undead created by that so you have to kill everyone not just abomnation that caused that.

 

Name one mage, just one, who wanted to destroy the world and had the power to do so.

Qunari mage that escaped qunari...



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Which qunari are you talking about? Is this from one of the books/comics?



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Which qunari are you talking about? Is this from one of the books/comics?

From "movie" dragon age redemption...



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From "movie" dragon age redemption...

 

He didn't have the power on his own, he wasn't actively trying to destroy the world, and that was a Web Series. (Nitpicky, I know, but nya.  :P )

 

He had to steal an artifact from the dalish to have power, and in episode 3 his powers were nearly completely neutralized by a single templar. He got away because the templar was distracted by one of his cohorts. 



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He didn't have the power on his own, he wasn't actively trying to destroy the world, and that was a Web Series. (Nitpicky, I know, but nya.  :P )

 

He had to steal an artifact from the dalish to have power, and in episode 3 his powers were nearly completely neutralized by a single templar. He got away because the templar was distracted by one of his cohorts. 

 

All he it war required is mask and magical ritual pretty much he almost destroyed world alone all he had is few mercenaries... (and that is 1 way who knows how many other ways.)

Because templar had his phylactery which here not only turned off his powers but also paralyzed him ,i don't know if that is way how phylacteries in universe work since movie (web series :P ) had some plot holes. Later he defeated templar (wow he had to be one of those more powerful mages ;) )



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And we have sencond art where mage turn into abomnation pretty much shows how mages get their backs kicked by templars...

dragon_age_inquisitions_mage_by_xkalipso

 

This mage isn't turning into an abomination. She's just casting fire around herself to be an offensive and defensive spell. Kind of like Rock Armor.



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As i said many times we have examples where mages threatened the world many times simple if we would have successful abomnation he would create army of undead and another abomnations what already in inself would lead to world threatening event.Also codex says that abomnations that pride demons are sufficient for such task "A greater pride demon, brought across the veil, would threaten the entire world."  still it is codex so we should take it rather suspiciously.

 

And please don't make me laugh blight in countries that darkspawn focus cause massive destruction and yes it is world threatening event there is good reason why most countries unite during blight or at least throws out disagreements on the time of blights...

No, Greater Pride Demons. Not normal Pride Demons. A Greater Pride Demon has yet to cross the Veil in lore. 



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This mage isn't turning into an abomination. She's just casting fire around herself to be an offensive and defensive spell. Kind of like Rock Armor.

Of course so her eyes are burning...

 

nice defense like justice ;)

 

 

No, Greater Pride Demons. Not normal Pride Demons. A Greater Pride Demon has yet to cross the Veil in lore. 

 

Greater means stronger there is no in fact any support in series that there is something like greater pride demon besides that codex entry which mean probably stronger pride demon as every demon have own power range.