it is about makin human communities more stable and progressive.
For me, it's all about making humanity a bunch of cold-blooded unfeeling mass murderers for the sake of vague "stability" and some technical progress. I find it hard to see as reasonable. And iI find it disturbing that some people really see this as a way out. I mean, for god's sake, Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451" haven't taught you anything?
They don't see it as killing, but transforming the life into data and storing it in a Reaper shell.
Again(since you didn't listen the first time), we should drop the Reaper talk since this isn't a Mass Effect thread.
But why? Why the pedantry? 'Long as it finds its way back to DA, let it rip, baby.
They don't see it as killing, but transforming the life into data and storing it in a Reaper shell.
Again(since you didn't listen the first time), we should drop the Reaper talk since this isn't a Mass Effect thread.
Well im sure peoples that they turned into zombie or killed by created by them zombie or made into mush seen that otherwise 
Well so many things aren't from da but still they are discussed.
For me, it's all about making humanity a bunch of cold-blooded unfeeling mass murderers for the sake of vague "stability" and some technical progress. I find it hard to see as reasonable. And iI find it disturbing that some people really see this as a way out. I mean, for god's sake, Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451" haven't taught you anything?
so dramatic peoples will be as they will be before just with lesser death count and making progress.After all anti-mages will handle mages problem same as soldiers that are protecting your a** during war and many of them do many not nice things yet you hardly complain...
Erm.. Not all mages are the same?
Same thing thought thrask when mage killed him for trust and naiviety...
but i already gave answer on that now you just repeat
peoples will be as they will be before just with lesser death count and making progress
I can't decide if it is utopic or anti-utopic. Both ways I guess. If you studied the lore of the games properly, you would know that the people who really do hate all mages and want them to die is a minority. Most fear them, but don't want to kill them all. Heck even the Divine and the Chantry supports the mages in "Asunder", and that means something.
as soldiers that are protecting your a** during war
So what you actually propose is the life of a constant, ever-lasting war? Who the hell would want this beside crazy war-like psychopaths? The absolute majority of people want peace without the need to constantly kill the children (perhaps even THEIR OWN children).
many of them do many not nice things yet you hardly complain...
How do you know I don't? I am not condoning violence, oppression and genocide, though I can see that Thedas is full of those. I just don't think it's right, is all.
Erm.. Not all mages are the same?
That's not true and you know it.
I expected better from you, Kain.
Every single mage is a nuke. Every single mage is extremely dangerous. Every single mage is Tahrone, intentionally or no.
Like Bethany for instance, remember that time she slaughtered a thousand kids for a blood magic ritual?
Every single mage is extremely dangerous.
That one is true.
I can't decide if it is utopic or anti-utopic. Both ways I guess. If you studied the lore of the games properly, you would know that the people who really do hate all mages and want them to die is a minority. Most fear them, but don't want to kill them all. Heck even the Divine and the Chantry supports the mages in "Asunder", and that means something.
So what you actually propose is the life of a constant, ever-lasting war? Who the hell would want this beside crazy war-like psychopaths? The absolute majority of people want peace without the need to constantly kill the children (perhaps even THEIR OWN children).
How do you know I don't? I am not condoning violence, oppression and genocide, though I can see that Thedas is full of those. I just don't think it's right, is all.
Rather second but well your call...
I know about da lore and where it is stated? because practice shows otherwise most hate them or just don't care as they aren't part of their life...
Fear leads to hate so well..
Divine supported them and even she was rather shady figure that was suspiciously provoking everyone as well mages to the war not mention that divine couldn't even admit that publicly same for elves and i don't even menion chantry because divine isn't chatry more face of it but as we have seen not so powerful as it may seems...
War what war just quick cut and mages are gone then repeat with baby mages no war at all...
Well thats your morality i prefer reality...
That's not true and you know it.
I expected better from you, Kain.
Every single mage is a nuke. Every single mage is extremely dangerous. Every single mage is Tahrone, intentionally or no.
Like Bethany for instance, remember that time she slaughtered a thousand kids for a blood magic ritual?
Cheap attempt to mock what i said and hardly worked.
As every mage is nuke and no not every mage is Tahrone but every mage is nuke intentionally or no
And that behtany didn't went insane yet (when 90 % other mages went) hardly speaks about anything it is like saying that uldred wasn't dangerous watching only his prequel (before he was abomnation) same with bethany that she didn't hurt anyone yet doesn't meant that she won't. Same that small % of mages don't explode don't remove that huge % that explode and no one can tell who will explode and who won't until it will explode...
Dangerous? Yes. Extremely dangerous verging on a nuclear catastrophe? I'm afraid not.
Dangerous? Yes. Extremely dangerous verging on a nuclear catastrophe? I'm afraid not.
Tell that victims of the blights...
same with bethany that she didn't hurt anyone yet doesn't meant that she won't.
I think this line is the whole point of your view of situation. Nothing needs to be added here.
Cheap attempt to mock what i said and hardly worked.
As every mage is nuke and no not every mage is Tahrone but every mage is nuke intentionally or no
And that behtany didn't went insane yet (when 90 % other mages went) hardly speaks about anything it is like saying that uldred wasn't dangerous watching only his prequel (before he was abomnation) same with bethany that she didn't hurt anyone yet doesn't meant that she won't. Same that small % of mages don't explode don't remove that huge % that explode and no one can tell who will explode and who won't until it will explode...
Hardly cheap, it's been your championed rhetoric for years.
They are not nukes, they are not all extremely dangerous.
Tranquility shits all over such an argument. Tranquil still count. Especially since you can apparently cure it.
I think this line is the whole point of your view of situation. Nothing needs to be added here.
And it is valid point
IT is like arguing with uldred when he was 20 years old that if he didn't do anything bad he won't...
Hardly cheap, it's been your championed rhetoric for years.
They are not nukes, they are not all extremely dangerous.
Tranquility shits all over such an argument. Tranquil still count. Especially since you can apparently cure it.
Yes they are all dangerous because they have flaws and in mage case price for them is huge and every human have flaws and it is good when it is 1 serious flaw not more...
Pretty much look at marethari soo wise , experienced and powerfull mage stil she meet her end as abomnation simple because of emotion and affection toward merril.
Dangerous? Yes. Extremely dangerous verging on a nuclear catastrophe? I'm afraid not.
Extremely dangerous, yes. Every single last one. Some by themselves, other because they are walking Fade portals and all it takes is one moment of weakness.
In all seriousness, the mages of yore agreed to go to the Circle because, most likely, they were even more scared of trying to live amidst normal people when civil conflict between both groups was much more common. Clearly, time has allowed them to forget that fear and look to the Circle as an outlet for the grievances that come with being alive.
Now that they are outside again in numbers too great to simply hide in plain sight, I expect standing back and letting nature take its course will make the mages far more pliable to the return of the Circles when they understand that the outside world is closer to a dystopia than anything else and that they are not wanted.
Extremely dangerous, yes. Every single last one. Some by themselves, other because they are walking Fade portals and all it takes is one moment of weakness.
The ones that can currently exercise their power are dangerous. That is true.
I think of abominations as extremely dangerous, they are rare as per the codex as per the lore. So some mages are extremely dangerous.
There are exceptions to this 'extremely dangerous' label, which proves it to be false. Unless of course you believe Tranquil Mages are dangerous as well.
The ones that can currently exercise their power are dangerous. That is true.
I think of abominations as extremely dangerous, they are rare as per the codex as per the lore. So some mages are extremely dangerous.
There are exceptions to this 'extremely dangerous' label, which proves it to be false. Unless of course you believe Tranquil Mages are dangerous as well.
First that abomnation are rare is as true that mages are powerful... doesn't live in practice we saw many abomnation just by 2 peoples perspective in 1 country and 1 city not to mention that not only abomnations cause disasters...
And tranquil are no longer mages they were mages but aren't them now hell they aren't even peoples that were before...
The ones that can currently exercise their power are dangerous. That is true.
I think of abominations as extremely dangerous, they are rare as per the codex as per the lore. So some mages are extremely dangerous.
There are exceptions to this 'extremely dangerous' label, which proves it to be false. Unless of course you believe Tranquil Mages are dangerous as well.
Tranquil are not mages. It is the stronger connection to the fade that makes one a mage; if that connection is severed, then one is not a mage. If restored, then that person becomes a mage again.
And since every mage has the potential to become an abomination, every mage is extremely dangerous even if not in equal proportions, from Aurelian Titus to Emile de Launcet.
Tranquil are not mages. It is the stronger connection to the fade that makes one a mage; if that connection is severed, then one is not a mage. If restored, then that person becomes a mage again.
And since every mage has the potential to become an abomination, every mage is extremely dangerous even if not in equal proportions, from Aurelian Titus to Emile de Launcet.
My statement was actually incorrect. I forgot to include the exception of Wynne. Silly of me.
I do not agree with that statement on Tranquility if it can be a temporary state in all cases.
My statement was actually incorrect. I forgot to include the exception of Wynne. Silly of me.
Not only is Wynne powerful on her own, she is also possessed by a spirit that she could corrupt at any moment. She is ridiculously dangerous.
True, she has a kind nature which doesn't change she has enough power at her disposal to level a town.
True, she has a kind nature which doesn't change she has enough power at her disposal to level a town.
But she isn't likely to do so; I acknowledge that she is probably capable of such.
Thing about Wynne is that unlike Anders she is not driven by a fanatical hatred of all things Templar or mage oppression. She's a benevolent person who seeks to help others. The likelihood of 'faith' becoming corrupted by her seems rather scarce. She even transferred the spirit into Evangeline. She has demonstrated control of her powers and her control over Faith.
The Veil isn't a problem. It keeps the Fade and the real world separated. While a mage can tear it or weaken it so can an over abundance of mundane death and destruction. And here's a kick in the pants for you: if the Veil can tear without the aid of magic, but we don't know of a mundane way to repair it and all mages were destroyed; who is going to close it again?
Mages are a potential. They are a potential benefit. They can heal and create.... They are also only a potential problem. They aren't automatically a problem because they're mages. They have abilities that others don't and like with anything, it can be misused. The vagaries of man would still exist, with or without mages. A power hungry man who happens to have a large army under his command or a power hungry man who happens to have magic can both do considerable damage. Most mages don't welcome possession as a matter of course. Most of those examples are seen to occur in desperate situations, like with Thrask's daughter. You back anyone into a corner and they will fight dirty, mage or not.
Magic is only a problem because it is abused at times, which is what I believe Andraste meant when she said it should serve man and not rule over him. As for the Blights? We have the Chantry's word that it was caused by mages. Like with any ancient, unverifiable allegory, I question it's voracity because history is written by the victors after all and among the victors there will always be those who seek to serve their own cause by any means necessary.
I feel magic should be treated with respect. Mages should be educated and there should be some kind of checks system for them. Gun owners have to have a license to legally carry. Yes, I know mages don't choose to have magic but it is still a potential weapon. I don't agree that they should be wiped out or locked up. They aren't criminals just because they were born having magic. They deserve to live and to have the right to self determination like regular people. Most of the worst examples of mages-gone-abomination are as a result of the oppression and abuse they suffer. Any person, mage or not, would become the most vicious of animals if denied freedom, the right to pursue happiness, abused and threatened with death and/or a fate worse than death. Getting rid of mages would be like me taking away all the toys my kids bicker over rather than teaching them to share. It's the easy way out and disservices everyone because there will always be mages born every day. Learning to co-exist and finding a compromise is the only lasting solution I see.
I really like that point about the veil. In a way its removal is what's happening in Inquisition.
I also forgot to bring up Hedge Mages.
"Hedge mages are untrained magic-users who wield powers developed outside of conventional teaching.[2] Often their magic may be harmless enough that they are not pursued by the Chantry."
Since not every abomination has to be dangerous, not every mage is extremely dangerous. Some to the point where even the Chantry doesn't go after them.
We should just kill everyone because they'll just give birth to more mages. That's why I plan to leave the Breach open.
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