@thekomandorshepard
Why the hell do you have to ruin every damn thread on this subject with your super extreme views? Why did you have to do this with mine? If a mod locks this, the blame is squarely on you for doing your usual thing of turning these threads into wars.
This thread being "ruined" in not the sole fault of one user.
@thekomandorshepard
Why the hell do you have to ruin every damn thread on this subject with your super extreme views? Why did you have to do this with mine? If a mod locks this, the blame is squarely on you for doing your usual thing of turning these threads into wars.
Because truth hurts and i like say truth. 
If mod locks it because they have such desire i didn't start any wart i was just responding and as far i don't see war just conversation so don't blame me for mods decisions.
Of course it isn't out of the bounds of possibility, I don't agree with a lot of what he writes either, being a person who enjoys his passions and "lesser" pleasures. But I do find it funny that you completely dismiss an entire type of close relationship's existence just for the sake of promoting your own agenda.
I didn't dismiss it. What sorcery are you using to concoct this argument from the words that I said? I said that it's not at all the same. And it's not. Having adult friends is not the same as being a parent. Being a teacher is not the same as being a parent.
I don't give a crap about kids, and I don't want any. But I have this mental condition called empathy, and it allows me to understand that not everybody feels the same way about things as me.
Some people desperately want to be parents more than anything. Taking that away from them is bad enough, but telling them to just "get over it, because there's other people to hang out with" is so grossly insensitive that if someone expressed that sentiment in front of me IRL, I can't promise that I wouldn't punch them in the face.
1. Prisons exist.
2. Mercenaries are mostly outlawed and require registration and proper channels to exist in a lot of countries, and face the same penal system as other private contractors.
3. Soliders and Police offices can be charged with crimes and be sentenced to prison.
4. "But society does not put any restrictions on people on what they can do." That's the entire point of outlawing something, you put a restriction on people from doing that thing they can do.
5. We already isolate people from societies and modern convenience, it's the entire basis for indigenous rights movements to preserve the way of life for various isolated tribes in more rural and jungle areas.
Thank you for pointing that out captain obvious
This thread has been ruined from the start, I think...
All I wanted to do was point out how most main plot arcs of DAO were caused by a mage in some form, and how it was kinda ridiculous how badly it reflected on mages when you stopped and thought about it. The thread wasn't meant to go like this, but extreme people showing up caused everything to go off the rails.
I see someone's never read the works of plato.
Here is Mockingword comment:
Because truth hurts and i like say truth.
If mod locks it because they have such desire i didn't start any wart i was just responding and as far i don't see war just conversation so don't blame me for mods decisions.
The truth doesn't hurt as much as your grammar. ):
Because truth hurts and i like say truth.
If mod locks it because they have such desire i didn't start any wart i was just responding and as far i don't see war just conversation so don't blame me for mods decisions.
i believe that anybody encouraging genocide , fictional or not has some very severe issues not to mention your reasons are simply not fact and do not consist with the lore and other reasons show signs of severe sociopathy
Dragon Age Mage logic: "Templars are really mean to me because I might use blood magic,get possessed by a demon. and start killing people. Might as well go slit my wrists and get possessed. That'll show those Templars!"
I think you need to add "If they are going to make me tranquil I might as well go down fighting using every dirty trick in the book."
All I wanted to do was point out how most main plot arcs of DAO were caused by a mage in some form, and how it was kinda ridiculous how badly it reflected on mages when you stopped and thought about it. The thread wasn't meant to go like this, but extreme people showing up caused everything to go off the rails.
Well you started thread about damage done by mages i told much more about damage they are causing so well how you thought it will end?
The truth doesn't hurt as much as your grammar. ):
Only because some hide behind shield of naivety 
i believe that anybody encouraging genocide , fictional or not has some very severe issues not to mention your reasons are simply not fact and do not consist with the lore and other reasons show signs of severe sociopathy
Yes that issues are called mages they are colosal but i found good way to deal with that issues for good.
And my reasons are?
And how they don't consist with lore if i gave plenty of examples of my reasons behind it?
sociopathy? well if sociopath is only person that acts logically and sensibly well then it is truth...
I didn't dismiss it. What sorcery are you using to concoct this argument from the words that I said? I said that it's not at all the same. And it's not. Having adult friends is not the same as being a parent. Being a teacher is not the same as being a parent.
I don't give a crap about kids, and I don't want any. But I have this mental condition called empathy, and it allows me to understand that not everybody feels the same way about things as me.
Some people desperately want to be parents more than anything. Taking that away from them is bad enough, but telling them to just "get over it, because there's other people to hang out with" is so grossly insensitive that if someone expressed that sentiment in front of me IRL, I can't promise that I wouldn't punch them in the face.
Blood relation has nothing to do with relationships strengths or weaknesses, and neither do the supposed role of a nuclear style family of a wife, husband, and kids you seem to be pushing for. If a person was raised communally with people who have looked out for each other, struggled with each other, and helped each other, all their lives, who had shown a devotion and commitment to one another, then I would say they work as a family just as well as the blood related family unit does. On contrast, you can have blood related families who are highly dysfunctional, with abuse of all sorts occurring, and being justified within a hierarchy of "I'm the eldest of this bloodline, so you are subservient to me!" that might not occur in a communal style environment.
Your entire argument assumes that everyone around the person in the communal style living is a stranger, and that blood families are automatically closer with your very wording of the statement, and that itself sounds like quite the dismissal of communal upbringings legitimacy if I've ever read it.
Thank you for pointing that out captain obvious
thank you for posting things that went completely against the obvious, then.
Here is Mockingword comment:
Mockingword, on 25 Apr 2014 - 2:15 PM, said:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASeriously?"You're forbidden from ever knowing the joys of parenthood, BUT HERE, HAVE A BUNCH OF STRANGERS, THAT'S TOTALLY THE SAME."So you saying that Plato way is the only way??????Mockingword's point is that if these mages want a family they should be allowed to. We are talking about Dragon Age and some of the mages in these books complained about not being able to have one.Plato doesn't define everyone's way of living. Choice does matter.
And what I am saying is that there is more then one type of family, and all of them hold the same merit and detractors.
I think you need to add "If they are going to make me tranquil I might as well go down fighting using every dirty trick in the book."
Then they get what they deserve in all honesty. If your willing to put your life above everyone elses to the point that you find it okay to turn into an indiscriminate monster who kills, enthralls, and feasts upon all around you, regardless of their involvement in your current situation, you weren't worth fighting for in the first place.
I'm so glad that you are here to educate me, a gay man, about the merits of non-traditional families.
I'm so glad that you are here to educate me, a gay man, about the merits of non-traditional families.
I don't discriminate, when I see someone spouting nonsense, I try to help show them the error of their way.
It'd be wrong if I didn't try to help you out just because of what orientation you were. Bigotry has to be fought, one step at a time, by us all.
I don't discriminate, when I see someone spouting nonsense, I try to help show them the error of their way.
It'd be wrong if I didn't try to help you out just because of what orientation you were. Bigotry has to be fought, one step at a time, by us all.
You are responding to things I never said. At no point did I laud the merits of the blood family over any other kind.
I said that for the mages that might have wanted to be parents, the relationships formed in the circle are not an acceptable substitute. Especially when the thing preventing them from being parents isn't infertility or a genetic disease, but merely a system of institutionalised bigotry that says they cannot.
For some reason I cannot fathom, you took that statement and extrapolated from that the absurd notion that I somehow consider non-traditional families to be inferior.
Not that it's any of your business, but I grew up in a non-traditional family. I don't have experience with any other kind.
You are responding to things I never said. At no point did I laud the merits of the blood family over any other kind.
I said that for the mages that might have wanted to be parents, the relationships formed in the circle are not an acceptable substitute. Especially when the thing preventing them from being parents isn't infertility or a genetic disease, but merely a system of institutionalised bigotry that says they cannot.
For some reason I cannot fathom, you took that statement and extrapolated from that the absurd notion that I somehow consider non-traditional families to be inferior.
Not that it's any of your business, but I grew up in a non-traditional family. I don't have experience with any other kind.
You called communal families a bunch of strangers. I don't know if you know this, but that's very insulting and dismissive of the bound those people would have with one another. It's like if you called one of your close friends a stranger, or your own parents or siblings a stranger. It removes any sort of relationship there and demotes it to "person I have nothing to do with in any capacity".
You called communal families a bunch of strangers. I don't know if you know this, but that's very insulting and dismissive of the bound those people would have with one another. It's like if you called one of your close friends a stranger, or your own parents or siblings a stranger. It removes any sort of relationship there and demotes it to "person I have nothing to do with in any capacity".
That would make sense, if the Circle was in any sense a "communal family".
Too bad that it is, in fact, an institution for containment, where relationships are actively discouraged.
And what I am saying is that there is more then one type of family, and all of them hold the same merit and detractors.
What he was trying to say is that if they want a family they should be allowed. If you read the books they make it clear that they will take your child away and family is not allowed. You can pick your own path and so should they.
I haven't read the comics but I'm pretty sure Gregoir was hitting a female mage that was pregnant, is it true? And if it is, how can one even suppose that the Circle is "a family" when things like beating up pregnant women or raping mages are normal?
What he was trying to say is that if they want a family they should be allowed. If you read the books they make it clear that they will take your child away and family is not allowed. You can pick your own path and so should they.
Not with walking WMDs.
You called communal families a bunch of strangers. I don't know if you know this, but that's very insulting and dismissive of the bound those people would have with one another. It's like if you called one of your close friends a stranger, or your own parents or siblings a stranger. It removes any sort of relationship there and demotes it to "person I have nothing to do with in any capacity".
Read the book. It is clear you are not allowed a family. There are no communal families. Furthermore if you want to be part of a communal family fine, but if you don't you shouldn't be forced into one.
I haven't read the comics but I'm pretty sure Gregoir was hitting a female mage that was pregnant, is it true? And if it is, how can one even suppose that the Circle is "a family" when things like beating up pregnant women or raping mages are normal?
I haven't read that one. If she had a baby the Chantry will take it away. The book Asunder stated that some mages disappeared and the Templars didn't say what happened to them.
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