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New types of demons in DA:I. Cole, the first ''Death'' demon?


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I'll start of by saying that I have not read any of the Dragon Age novels, so I might be missing out on alot of crucial information, regardless, I have read up on about Cole. And one thing that caught my attention was that Cole is drawn to people who ''wishes to die'' (Keep in mind, I am aware of the fact that it is unknown at this point what ''Cole'' exactly is, spirit, demon, ghost, or something else entirely.. ). This got me thinking, since BioWare mentioned last year that there'll be atleast one additional major demon type, could Cole perhaps be the first ''Death'' demon? A demon that feeds off of a mortals wish to leave the mortal world?

 

Speculate away.



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I'm not sure what Cole is, but in The Masked Empire

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Perhaps that is what they meant.



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I'm not sure what Cole is, but in The Masked Empire

Spoiler

Perhaps that is what they meant.

Yeah I did read about the that new type of demon yesterday, I definitely have to get my hands on the novels and read them.

One question, is the new demon introduced in a way that it actually is a ''new'' type of demon that has only recently come into existence, or that simply mortals have not known about it before?

Also:

  • According to David Gaider, other types of demons exist, but have yet to be shown - despair, fear, envy and remorse being some of them.[1] He mentioned that at least one new major type of demon will appear in Dragon Age: Inquisition.[3]''

And here's the sourcehttp://social.biowar...3582/3#15251849

 

Note that he writes: ''Atleast one new major'.



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After seeing what associating too much with humans did to Justice, I'm sticking to the "Cole's a corrupted spirit of mercy" theory until it's proven otherwise. 


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After seeing what associating too much with humans did to Justice, I'm sticking to the "Cole's a corrupted spirit of mercy" theory until it's proven otherwise. 

 

That sounds very plausible aswell. 



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One question, is the new demon introduced in a way that it actually is a ''new'' type of demon that has only recently come into existence, or that simply mortals have not known about it before?

I think all spirits of the Fade are very old beings, but people just encounter some of them more frequently than the others. Hunger and rage, for example. These names were given to them by mortals. But I think the population of the Fade is much more diverse.

The spirit TME mentioned was very old and powerful. Definitely not a "newborn" :)



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a lot of your older more powerful demons have names too, not just called by their sin...  so the generic forms without unique names tend to be the weak/most numerous demons



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Cole is most likely a demon of despair who was once a spirit of hope.



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Cole is most likely a demon of despair who was once a spirit of hope.

This is exactly what I was going to say. Also, despite my hatred of Cole I would really like it if his story arc was that of "the first demon turned back into spirit"



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I agree with the ones who said Cole is probably a despair demon, as for the other type's if I remember correctly these two are fear and nightmare demons.

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I wonder if we'll see more demons and spirts that we haven't seen before in DAI.

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I like Merril's viewpoint on demons/spirits, that they're just different just like humans. One thing Asunder showed me was that Cole is just a person.



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I think all spirits of the Fade are very old beings, but people just encounter some of them more frequently than the others. Hunger and rage, for example. These names were given to them by mortals. But I think the population of the Fade is much more diverse.

The spirit TME mentioned was very old and powerful. Definitely not a "newborn" :)

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There's a demon of choice!?

Also, I am replaying DAO and what I noticed in the mage tower basement were these weird weird statues.

One was a cerberus like thing and another looked very similar to the new demon. I believe these statues are depictions of demons/spirits.

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There's a demon of choice!?

Also, I am replaying DAO and what I noticed in the mage tower basement were these weird weird statues.

One was a cerberus like thing and another looked very similar to the new demon. I believe these statues are depictions of demons/spirits.

Yup, to answer your question, it's this guy: http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Imshael



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There's a demon of choice!?
 

Choice...spirit

 

It's very particular about that   ;)


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If Cole is a demon and a companion I hope we're given the option to slay him upon finding that out. It always bothered me in DA2 that I couldn't attack Anders once he revealed he was an Abomination. 



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If Cole is a demon and a companion I hope we're given the option to slay him upon finding that out. It always bothered me in DA2 that I couldn't attack Anders once he revealed he was an Abomination. 

The difference between spirit and demon is their intent.  Spirits choose to help folks, demons seek to destroy.  Abominations are mages who have been erased by the demon that posseses them, therefore Anders was not an abomination.


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Cole is most likely a demon of despair who was once a spirit of hope.

^This. Or  Spirit of Mercy.



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Choice...spirit

 

It's very particular about that   ;)

Any Spirit that gets off by melting people and messing with them is a demon no matter what they say.


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After seeing what associating too much with humans did to Justice, I'm sticking to the "Cole's a corrupted spirit of mercy" theory until it's proven otherwise. 

Spirits go crazy by joining with humans not being near them.



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I thought Justice became Vengence because of how great Anders hatred was for the templars/chantry



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If Cole is revealed to be a demon I hope there is also an option to murder knife that abomination back to the Fade, where it belongs.



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If Cole is revealed to be a demon I hope there is also an option to murder knife that abomination back to the Fade, where it belongs.

 

Nooooooooooo! Leave poor Cole alone! All he needs is a hug!  :(



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to be honest, I really don't know... Asunder is  a great novel and I enjoyed the book so much, I read it 5 times. And because Cole is such fan fav. I believe Cole to be something, but what is he entirely? We just have to wait for October 7th to find the answer.



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Just as there are different types of spirit/demon so there are also different types of possession.  

 

With an abomination the demon has forcibly taken over the mind/body of the victim, hence the twisted appearance, presumably because of the conflict of minds that occurred at the time of possession.   If they are un-possessed, as with Pharamond, their body returns to normal but their mind is weakened, so potentially making them more at risk of possession in the future.  This is what Marethari maintained and would appear to be the case on the evidence of Pharamond, although since he had also had the trauma of being healed of tranquillity as well, it is difficult to be adamant on this.

 

With Anders/Justice, Connor/desire demon and Imshael/Mihris the spirit/demon has had the agreement of the mortal to possess them.   They therefore look quite normal and so long as the spirit doesn't show itself, no one is any the wiser.    If they become unpossessed, they appear to return to normal in mind with no ill effects.   May be in the case of Mihris this is because the demon left voluntarily.   With Connor it can be because you either killed the demon in the Fade or because it left voluntarily.   However, in both these cases the demon had not been in possession for very long.

 

With Anders/Justice they had been merged for several years so it is doubtful if they could be separated without the death of the host.   I think Anders realised this and this is why he was half telling the truth when he said that helping him build his bomb would free him from Justice, because he assumed he would either be killed in the explosion or put to death for it.

 

Cole seems more akin to the relationship between Justice and Kristov in Awakening.   Apparently Cole died but the spirit possessed his corpse.   Alternaively, if you believe that erasing evidence by the Templars included destroying the body, then it would be a spirit living independently of a host but so tied to the mortal realm that it is able to maintain its existence and even appear solid.   Imshael appeared to be able to do this both before and after possessing Mihris and also to make people invisible (and presumably himself if he wished to).   Since he was an old powerful spirit (he objected to the term demon), it is likely that whatever spirit is connected wih Cole is also old and powerful.

 

Whatever the case, it is clear that the Circle mages knowledge of and definition of various spirits/demons is very limited.   I have to admit that Merrill was right in that much and in her assertion that all spirits are dangerous.   It may be that when we meet Solas, apparently an expert on the Fade, and even the other guy, if he is a Tevinter magister, then we will learn far more.   Clearly the Chantry policy of restricting magical research by having the threat of death by Templar or Tranquility hanging over you has severely limited Circle mages' learning and ability to understand the nature of the spirits of the Fade.   I forget who said it, but someone did say that you need to study your enemy in order to defeat them and with demons raining from the skies, clearly the Inquisition is going to have to redress that lack of knowledge very quickly.    Personally I'm looking forward to it as I love finding out new lore.