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#126
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I thought it was hilarious how Sean Connery applied his accent to it, to try to make it sound less like a porno name. Poosie.

Was that before or after the one with Octopussy? Seriously, who wrote these things?
 

 

Octopu**y, with Roger Moore playing James Bond,  came out years after Goldfinger



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The "double standard" is because straight people don't have a history of being marginalized, having to hide their sexuality, or being told they just haven't found the right person. MShep/Traynor feeds into some pernicious cultural assumptions that MShep/Garrus would not. I'd also say that straight men already have four options exclusive to them while Traynor is the first time ever in a BW game we've had an actual lesbian LI, unless you count Juhani.
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The "double standard" is because straight people don't have a history of being marginalized, having to hide their sexuality, or being told they just haven't found the right person. MShep/Traynor feeds into some pernicious cultural assumptions that MShep/Garrus would not. I'd also say that straight men already have four options exclusive to them while Traynor is the first time ever in a BW game we've had an actual lesbian LI, unless you count Juhani.

I fail to see the relevance. We're talking about characters with established sexual preferences spontaneously changing them for another character (for the record, I think it's bad writing regardless of which way the spontaneous orientation swap goes, whether we're talking about Anto, Galore or Traynor/Cortez). How one group was treated by certain members of another doesn't have any bearing on that.

Would you object to a story about, say, a (modern day) Native American woman happily married to a white man? Or would the story have to be about historical grievances between the two groups?

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Was that before or after the one with Octopussy? Seriously, who wrote these things?

 

Don't forget about Holly Goodhead from Moonraker. This is perhaps part of why I lean more towards Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy-type stuff to get my espionage fix.



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There is also the girl in the swimming pool, in The Man With The Golden Gun, who calls herself, "Chew Mee".



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In short, they hold a double standard. It's ok for them to make a straight character go gay for a person, but it's not ok for a gay character to go straight for a person. I can't take that line of thought seriously. 

 

Although I'm seriously wearing on this topic (see the SJW thread in the Lobby), I'll just go ahead and take a quick stab at this one. When you have a story about a previously self-identified straight character going gay for someone, it ties in to some ideas that I think a lot of people can relate to, whether straight or gay (for instance, the pressure to hide one's true desires for fear of social ostracism). This doesn't happen with the reverse storyline: It's extremely rare (at best) for straight people to pretend to be gay because they think that doing so will allow them to avoid social ostracism, so a storyline about a gay person going straight will generally not have the same kind of thematic resonance on that level.

 

There's also the long history of viewing homosexuality as a kind of disease or disorder that needs to be 'cured,' and stories about a previously gay person falling in love with someone of the opposite gender have a way of playing into these ideas; I don't want to say that such a story can never be told, but you have to seriously consider why you want to tell this kind of story, what kind of message you want to get across, and what kinds of unintentional messages you might be sending. We never experience media in a vacuum; our cultural baggage always affects the way in which we experience pretty much anything, let alone games or movies.

 

Anyways, I'm pretty sure I've hit my post quota (see what I did there?) on this kind of subject matter, so I'll check out and let others get this thread back on topic.


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To be fair, the character's name is PussyGalore. That's just offensive to any moderately intelligent person.

 

I think it's epic. Awesome McCoolname indeed.



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Ian Flemming. *serious face*

Despite the naming of a couple of characters, Goldfinger has a 96% on Rotten Tomatoes and is still a pretty damn good movie. 

 

Those names are crazy awesome. Seriously, it appeals to my inner teenager.



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Although I'm seriously wearing on this topic (see the SJW thread in the Lobby), I'll just go ahead and take a quick stab at this one. When you have a story about a previously self-identified straight character going gay for someone, it ties in to some ideas that I think a lot of people can relate to, whether straight or gay (for instance, the pressure to hide one's true desires for fear of social ostracism). This doesn't happen with the reverse storyline: It's extremely rare (at best) for straight people to pretend to be gay because they think that doing so will allow them to avoid social ostracism, so a storyline about a gay person going straight will generally not have the same kind of thematic resonance on that level.

 

There's also the long history of viewing homosexuality as a kind of disease or disorder that needs to be 'cured,' and stories about a previously gay person falling in love with someone of the opposite gender have a way of playing into these ideas; I don't want to say that such a story can never be told, but you have to seriously consider why you want to tell this kind of story, what kind of message you want to get across, and what kinds of unintentional messages you might be sending. We never experience media in a vacuum; our cultural baggage always affects the way in which we experience pretty much anything, let alone games or movies.

 

Anyways, I'm pretty sure I've hit my post quota (see what I did there?) on this kind of subject matter, so I'll check out and let others get this thread back on topic.

 

The first paragraph is indeed a possibility, though I'm not really talking about the narrative or thematic resonance behind it.

 

The second is where I maintain the double standard. I don't see a relevant distinction between how a straight character might go gay for one character versus one gay character going straight for one character. To me, it's the same thing. That said, people praise one version (the first) and criticize the other (the second). To me, that's a double standard, even though they're essentially the same thing.



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Said it before, will say it again:

 

MaleShep + Samantha.

 

Damn you, Bioware.

 

What about Femshep and Steve?



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What about Femshep and Steve?

Not a fan of characters of either orientation spontaneously reversing their stances, really. Not a fan of tokenism, either, but if a character is established one way (orientation, personality (barring cause for significant change), backstory, hometown etc), I prefer the writer stick to it. That was one of the problems with Deception, as I recall - a male character established as gay in Ascension went straight.

I am curious how jtav would respond to the second paragraph of my last post.

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What about Femshep and Steve?

Steve is a boring character in my opinion, and he's too nice. FemShep is Steve's hag, she listens to his problems...



#138
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Sure, I'll take a shot at it.

I've always pictured the following together;

Garus - Tali
Liara - Javik
Jacob - Kasumi
James Vega - Jack
Wrex - Aria
Ashley - Kaiden
Grunt - FemShepard
Miranda - Sheploo
Ken - Gabby
Samara - Aria ( I know I mentioned her with Wrexham but I'm talking way in the past before Samara became a justicar ).

#139
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^ehh, Kasumi deserves better than Jacob. 

Even though Samara was clearly not interested, I weirdly liked the idea of her and Zaeed.

If only Nihlus didn't die, I'd be down to ship:

1. Nihlus/Shep 
"Nihlus wants to see you in action, Commander..."  :whistle: 
2.NIhlus/Samara, just because of that epic 2 week showdown they had together. 



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Kalros and reaper on Tuchanka

Sovereign and Harbinger

SR2 and SR1



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Not a fan of characters of either orientation spontaneously reversing their stances, really. Not a fan of tokenism, either, but if a character is established one way (orientation, personality (barring cause for significant change), backstory, hometown etc), I prefer the writer stick to it. That was one of the problems with Deception, as I recall - a male character established as gay in Ascension went straight.

I am curious how jtav would respond to the second paragraph of my last post.

 

I agree, they should stick to their orientation. It's funny though how it's always Sam needs a bit of manshep, but not femshep needs a bit of Steve.



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I agree, they should stick to their orientation. It's funny though how it's always Sam needs a bit of manshep, but not femshep needs a bit of Steve.

 

Some of that is, for me at least, is that Sam is a more interesting character... and that voice  :wub:

 

Cortez has his moments though. I'm not saying I dislike him, and I wouldn't object to a femshep/steve pairing if it was available, like Zevran or Leliana in DA:O. 



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Sure, I'll take a shot at it.

I've always pictured the following together;
Liara - Javik

 

Shepard did too.

 

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Too bad Liara is less than amused though :P

 

Sure, I'll take a shot at it.

I've always pictured the following together;

Jacob - Kasumi

 

She does seem to have moved on after certain... incident.

 

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#144
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I like Steve. He did well in the Leviathan dlc.


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#145
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I like Steve. He did well in the Leviathan dlc.

Me too. To me he's just an example of an ordinary soldier who's good at his job. Likable guy, little bland. But capable. 


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#146
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Kaidan and Liara (If she wasn't such a Shepard stalker)

Nyreen and the Patriarch (I just find the Idea amusing)

 

 

SR2 and SR1

I try to imaging this....something about 'docking procedures'...

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#147
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Those names are crazy awesome. Seriously, it appeals to my inner teenager.

I like the idea behind it, but they could have been a bit more creative, I think. 



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I agree, they should stick to their orientation. It's funny though how it's always Sam needs a bit of manshep, but not femshep needs a bit of Steve.

 

That's how I feel about it too. All I'm doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of SJW's in the LGBT crowd who think a straight person going gay for a character is good storytelling while absolutely demonizing and ridiculing it if a gay person falls in love with a person of the opposite/non-preferred gender.

 

I like the idea behind it, but they could have been a bit more creative, I think. 

 

Plenty O'Toole is pretty creative.



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Plenty O'Toole is pretty creative.

That's pretty good. 



#150
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That's pretty good. 

Xenia Onatopp is creative as well.