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[Wulfram]

This sort of thing may not be directly under the control of Bioware, maybe?  Seems like more of a publisher thing.  So rather than it just being a case of Allan's email reaching the right person, it's probably a case of his email needing to reach some other guy who emails some other guy who talks to some other guy who talks to marketing.

 

And DRM/always online stuff is enough of a live wire that you wouldn't want to speak loosely about it, because it'll be a big pain if you have to go back on something you said.

 

Do they really though? I've seen tons of satire on that point but can't remember ever reading any official statement that says anythign remotely similar to that.

 

Well, they have made a point of talking about homophobes - among other things - after both of their "Worst Company" awards.

[Sylvius the Mad]

They were sued by Sony and eventually folded due to being bankrupted by the lawsuits (at least from what I remember from the time).

Lawsuits that were largely without foundation, I would argue, but it's difficult to defend yourself against a better funded litigant.

[Allan Schumacher]

Do they really though? I've seen tons of satire on that point but can't remember ever reading any official statement that says anythign remotely similar to that.

 

I've deleted most of the preceding tangent but no, we don't feel that if you are critical of EA that you must be a homophobe.  I'd prefer to not derail this thread any further to discuss it.

[Sanunes]

Lawsuits that were largely without foundation, I would argue, but it's difficult to defend yourself against a better funded litigant.

 

No disagreement from me, but even by winning those lawsuits they still lost for it bankrupted the company at least that is what the speculation is.

[Lanavis]

Hell's to the no!

That worries me as well. I love Dragon Age, but I'll just save my money if perma-internet is needed for this.

[Conduit0]

"Hey Bob, want to play Call of Duty 28947594934?"

 

"I cant Sam. I got mine digitally and the servers that check if mine is authentic were shut down because the publisher went under."

 

"Don't sweat it. I still got the physical disc, no pesky online checkpoints to deal with."

 

"Dude, you are so f*cking lucky that you didn't fall for that DD BS."

 

"I kind of saw this kind of thing coming. Now let's go blow the heads off some space nazi hamster bots!"

"Hey Bob, want to play Call of Duty 28947594934?"

 

"I cant Sam. When I moved into my new place a few months back I misplaced some boxes and now I can't find a bunch of my old game discs."

 

"Don't sweat it. I keep my digital copies stored on an external drive and since the publisher released a patch removing online authentication before it went under we can just use mine to install a new copy for you."

 

"Dude, you are so f*cking lucky that you didn't fall for that physical media BS."

 

"I kind of saw this kind of thing coming. Now let's go blow the heads off some space nazi hamster bots!"

 

[Brockololly]

Huh. Yeah, as aloof as EA can seem at times I have VERY hard time thinking they would require some sort of always on internet connection requirement for Inquisition. Unless there is some other aspect of the game we haven't heard about yet that requires an always on connection? But after SimCity and the massive backlash there EA surely couldn't be that myopic.

[PSUHammer]

While I understand the permanent Internet connection is indeed an issue for some, it is becoming much less of an issue these days.  I also fail to see the major beef with Origin or Steam.  While I feel Origin is redundant with Steam, I get that EA wants to control their distribution.  As software distribution platforms, both work fine and are convenient.  It has been years since I bought a physical copy of a game and I love not having to manage that inventory.

[Sylvius the Mad]

While I understand the permanent Internet connection is indeed an issue for some, it is becoming much less of an issue these days. I also fail to see the major beef with Origin or Steam. While I feel Origin is redundant with Steam, I get that EA wants to control their distribution. As software distribution platforms, both work fine and are convenient. It has been years since I bought a physical copy of a game and I love not having to manage that inventory.

I intensely dislike how both handle patches, and I worry about my ability to play those titles indefinitely into the future.

The convenience (of Steam in particular) is nice, but I get much the same from GOG without the fear of losing my games at some unknown date.

[Malanek]

Just wait patiently until you find out what it means. It's not going to be like Diablo 3, where your level 40 hardcore character is disconnected, the game server plays on, and poof, he is gone forever. Nor will there be latency in single player mode, the game will still be played on your pc. I hope if you disconnect while in sp mode you can just carry on. One time authorisation is ok. Everytime you start is a bit annoying, but I lived with that with ME3 and I assume that if you are interested in the game you will be able to put up with that even if you don't like it..

[In Exile]

I intensely dislike how both handle patches, and I worry about my ability to play those titles indefinitely into the future.

The convenience (of Steam in particular) is nice, but I get much the same from GOG without the fear of losing my games at some unknown date.

 

One would hope that there would be some means of removing the steam DRM if (ever) steam goes belly-up. 

[Conduit0]

While I understand the permanent Internet connection is indeed an issue for some, it is becoming much less of an issue these days.  I also fail to see the major beef with Origin or Steam.  While I feel Origin is redundant with Steam, I get that EA wants to control their distribution.  As software distribution platforms, both work fine and are convenient.  It has been years since I bought a physical copy of a game and I love not having to manage that inventory.

It isn't a matter of internet stability, its a matter of refusing to support such draconian DRM policies. The publishers do not have the right to implement DRM that has the potential to infringe on a consumer's ability to play the game that he/she legally purchased. No matter how good the servers, or how stable the internet connection, always online requirements on a primarily single player game is not acceptable, period.

 

I intensely dislike how both handle patches, and I worry about my ability to play those titles indefinitely into the future.

The convenience (of Steam in particular) is nice, but I get much the same from GOG without the fear of losing my games at some unknown date.

I don't know about Origin, but long ago Valve said that they have a contingency plan in place to allow people to access their Steam games even after the service shuts down.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yeah.

 

Within ONE WEEK people will have hacked it out, and run their games without it, and pirate it.

While LEGITIMATE CUSTOMERS have to suffer through their servers and spotty internet.

 

Anyone remember when buying a game meant owning it?
Not just playing it at the mercy of publishers? 

 

If it is always online then I wont buy it. I refuse to support a system that is so utterly anti-consumer and stupid.

I wont pirate it, I dont deserve a game if I dont buy it.

 

I hope it is just like for activation myself, I really do since i want to play. 

[AlanC9]

Yeah.

 

Within ONE WEEK people will have hacked it out, and run their games without it, and pirate it.

While LEGITIMATE CUSTOMERS have to suffer through their servers and spotty internet.

 

 

Yep. Eventually all games will just be streamed.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I find it weird that there have been multiple games on the site reported as always online, when they aren't. It almost makes it sound like the site is just hedging its bets that EA will make always online games rather then the games actually being always online.

 

A broken clock is right twice a day though, once a day if it can register AM or PM, so there's a chance it could be right. We'll have to wait and see until (hopefully) tomorrow.

[cartographer]

I find it weird that there have been multiple games on the site reported as always online, when they aren't. It almost makes it sound like the site is just hedging its bets that EA will make always online games rather then the games actually being always online.

 

A broken clock is right twice a day though, once a day if it can register AM or PM, so there's a chance it could be right. We'll have to wait and see until (hopefully) tomorrow.

It's probably a legal requirement based on Origin's TOS or something similar. 

[Dominus]

So it seems this topic isn't going anywhere soon. Here's my take. If DRM is a no-go, The PS3 and PS4 versions will(assumably) not require any online authentication. That's the route I'll likely be taking.

At least in my experience, Origin was alright. Had a few major issues in the beginning - and as mentioned above, the patches. But it was hardly rage-worthy.

But after SimCity and the massive backlash there EA surely couldn't be that myopic.

Pretty much this. Electronic Arts pulling an always-online move for a game as large a budget and scope as this would be a huge misstep. The most likely answer is the DRM method is similar/the same as ME3's treatment.

[Fredvdp]

I don't believe it until we get some official confirmation. Still, if this were indeed true, I think it's still no excuse for piracy. I'd just buy the game the moment the DRM can be circumvented.

[Animositisomina]

Has this been answered yet or are we still waiting?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Has this been answered yet or are we still waiting?

Still waiting.

[Giggles_Manically]

If they dont answer soon it will turn into a really bad issue.

 

It will build, anger will mount, and nugs will get the right to vote!
Well maybe not that last part, but still a quick answer will be good.

[Topsider]

Not a deal-breaker for me, if true. My internet connection is very stable so I can certainly rely on things at my end, but the last time EA tried this it was a disaster. I doubt they'd want the negative publicity it will generate.

[Androme]

Still waiting.

 

Is BioWare serious? It's monday now, they owe us an answer, ESPECIALLY since people can pre-order now. This is a ****** joke.

[Baelyn]

If you are pre-ordering now, then you are doing so under the assumption that it will/might require an internet connection because that is the information provided to you officially on the site.

 

Bioware does not "owe" you anything.

 

If it bothers you, I would suggest holding off until we have confirmation that this is intended. Its not like you don't have 4 months left to pre-order.