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[DeinonSlayer]

Inb4 Barquiel's "The beacon was useless, and it was the only thing the Asari were hiding!"



^ O RLY?

[Steelcan]

If we ask Xil she'd say that's lighting from the temple continued...underground

[von uber]

From an engineering perspective that temple construciton made no sense whatsoever.

[Ryriena]

You know what Shepard you've got a lot balls, I think you would be able to pull this mission off. Zaeed Monssni

[Barquiel]

Inb4 Barquiel's "The beacon was useless, and it was the only thing the Asari were hiding!"



^ O RLY?

 

I've never said the beacon was useless. I always said the asari got a head start compared to other races in the galaxy because of the beacon. But please, continue to make up ridiculous nonsense if it makes you happy. I just wonder why your beacons don't look like beacons and don't have the green glow every other beacon has...

[Ryriena]

Haha

[themikefest]

Shepard: You ran at the Citadel. You ran on Thessia.

 

Kai Leng: SHUT UP!

[DeinonSlayer]

I've never said the beacon was useless. I always said the asari got a head start compared to other races in the galaxy because of the beacon. But please, continue to make up ridiculous nonsense if it makes you happy. I just wonder why your beacons don't look like beacons and don't have the green glow every other beacon has...

Maybe because they're identical to the ones on Mars, only several times bigger and more numerous.

As I recall, you argued in the "Liara hate" thread that the beacon was worthless to the Crucible effort (due to the cipher) and thus they were justified in not revealing it, and that it was the only Prothean artifact in the temple. And that every one of our squadmates (including Javik) was wrong in their assessment about what the Asari were doing.

"The answer is obvious. Power and influence. Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my own race for their own gain."

If anything about Thessia contradicted pre-existing lore, that'd be one thing. The writers did that a lot. I'm not aware of any such retcon here, though.

[KaiserShep]

Shepard: You ran at the Citadel. You ran on Thessia.

 

Kai Leng: SHUT UP!

 

In my first playthrough, I used to pause and play a few times because the dark environment made me wary of phantoms flanking me, but now I appreciate that whole silly exchange. I do like getting the timing just right and killing him right when Shepard gets the last word. "You won't be there to see it" *biotic charge* *shotgun to gut*

[DeinonSlayer]

I wonder if Javik even disapproves of the Asari hoarding that tech. Seems his only problem with it is that they didn't use it to prepare for the Reapers. Other races in this cycle have more cause to be upset about it than he does.

[Barquiel]

Maybe because they're identical to the ones on Mars, only several times bigger and more numerous.

As I recall, you argued in the "Liara hate" thread that the beacon was worthless to the Crucible effort (due to the cipher) and thus they were justified in not revealing it, and that it was the only Prothean artifact in the temple. And that every one of our squadmates (including Javik) was wrong in their assessment about what the Asari were doing.

"The answer is obvious. Power and influence. Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my own race for their own gain."

If anything about Thessia contradicted pre-existing lore, that'd be one thing. The writers did that a lot. I'm not aware of any such retcon here, though.

 

Or maybe these are simply lights. Lights of identical design are above the floor as well, in plain sight to everyone. And not a single character ever mentions your bigger and more numerous beacons/archives...

And I said that our squadmates (or we the players) don't know what exactly the asari got. Yes, I think the asari didn't get any information out of the beacon (why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers?). The most likely explanation is that they have been deriving their technological head start simply from studying the operation of the beacon, rather than actually accessing the information it contained. The only reason the Asari hid the beacon is that they wanted the rest of the galaxy to believe that they achieved their level of technology on their own without the aid. If you think revealing it earlier would have changed a thing...that's your headcanon. Just don't present it as a fact, because it's never confirmed ingame. I think that if they'd revealed the beacon sooner, then it's likely Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it - that only happened because it was urgent and dangerous - so it would never have activated.

[KaiserShep]

It's clear that the protheans were not particularly big on efficiency when it came to storage media. Sandisk would laugh its collective asses off.

[Steelcan]

Ah there's that denialism.

[themikefest]

Aren't the asari the ones that made the policy to share any Protheans artifacts that are found in the galaxy? If they did, what makes them not reveal the artifact on  Thessia? Are they above the law?

 

Had the beacon been revealed earlier, its possible that the crucible could've been completed earlier and the Crucible could've been attached to the Citadel in the Serpent Nebula and possibly had time to evacuate the Citadel saving numerous lives.

[von uber]

Had the beacon been revealed earlier, its possible that the crucible could've been completed earlier and the Crucible could've been attached to the Citadel in the Serpent Nebula and possibly had time to evacuate the Citadel saving numerous lives.

 

It's also posisble nothing would have happened wihtout Shep there; no-one thinks of sending her there because they are already studying it, therefore Vendetta is never activated and thus Reapers win.

[Barquiel]

It's clear that the protheans were not particularly big on efficiency when it came to storage media. Sandisk would laugh its collective asses off.

 

Because they didn't have Glyph to guide the next cycle with information about the Reapers and the Crucible

[Steelcan]

If you needed to have the cipher in order to gain any information from a prothean ruin all the races would still be stuck in their home systems

[themikefest]

It's also posisble nothing would have happened wihtout Shep there; no-one thinks of sending her there because they are already studying it, therefore Vendetta is never activated and thus Reapers win.

The asari councillor could've relayed the message to Shepard that there's an artifact that could help, She knew about the Crucible plans and that it was incomplete missing the part we learn to be the Catalyst.

[KaiserShep]

The asari councillor could've relayed the message to Shepard that there's an artifact that could help, She knew about the Crucible plans and that it was incomplete missing the part we learn to be the Catalyst.

 

This is assuming that the Councilor knew all along. Not to say that she didn't, but it seems to me that the Matriarchs could just as well have left her in the dark so she can plausibly deny its existence.

[Steelcan]

If you needed to have the cipher in order to gain any information from a prothean ruin all the races would still be stuck in their home systems

[KaiserShep]

If you needed to have the cipher in order to gain any information from a prothean ruin all the races would still be stuck in their home systems

Yeah, the way the beacons work is pretty inconsistent. Vendetta itself does not seem to require a cipher to be understood by the entire group, nor does it seem to have any protections against being accessed by an unauthorized user beyond simply shutting up when an indoctrinated mook walks into the room.

 

PROTHEAN VI: INDOCTRINATED PRESENCE DETECTED >>>>> LEMME JUST HIDE IN THE BEACON

 

USER: KAI LENG >>>>>>>>ACCESS AUTHORIZED. PLZ DOWNLOAD LOL

[Barquiel]

I think you need a cipher to understand prothean beacons like the one on Thessia (or Eden Prime). But the boost for humans for example wasn't some beacon, but the base on Mars, refined eezo and the multiple starships that were there.

"In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

[themikefest]

This is assuming that the Councilor knew all along. Not to say that she didn't, but it seems to me that the Matriarchs could just as well have left her in the dark so she can plausibly deny its existence.

Why couldn't the councillor talk with the Matriarchs about Shepard helping unite the species to fight the reapers and that she/he is constructing a massive weapon that may stop the reapers. Maybe the Matriarchs would've revealed the beacon earlier. Isn't it the Matriarchs that decide to send their fleets to help Shepard and not the councillor's. Makes me wonder why there is a council at all?

[Steelcan]

I think you need a cipher to understand prothean beacons like the one on Thessia or Eden Prime. But the boost for humans for example wasn't some beacon, but the base on Mars, refined eezo and the multiple starships that were there.

"In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

Shepard was able to determine that the vision he received on Eden Prime wasn't exactly full of sunshine and prothean bunnies without the Cipher.

 

And given Liara's own insistence that she could have learned from the beacon without the cipher, the fact that TIM was able to extract the information without the cipher and being indoctrinated, its security protocols probably aren't the best.

[themikefest]

I think you need a cipher to understand prothean beacons like the one on Thessia (or Eden Prime). But the boost for humans for example wasn't some beacon, but the base on Mars, refined eezo and the multiple starships that were there.

"In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships, as well as refined element zero"

If the cipher was needed for Thessia, how is it possible for the squadmates to understand Vendetta?