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[Googleness]

1 ) I was looking on origin the other day seeing that inquisition is on pre-order and thought to pre-order it give bioware second chance after the SWTOR pokemon cartel market debucle and then I was worried.

 

In the past video games had major release then expansion packs. 

 

This days they release DLCs in such rate it's worrying.....

 

ME3 had number of DLCs but mp ones were free, some were pure cosmetic which you didn't need and there were really few of those which added to the game but they were worth it (citadel, omega etc....).

 

But let's take a look...

 

example 1:

Rome 2: Total war - > http://store.steampo...com/app/214950/

game price - 59.99$

DLCs combined price - 51.94 $

 

Example 2: 

Skyrim - > http://store.steampo....com/sub/28187/

Base game price - > 19.99 $

DLCs combined price - > 44.97$

But here we can already see that after a while you can get the bundle with all DLCs for only 39.99$ and on sales it gets low as 19$.

 

for Dragon Age I've seen the Ultimate edition of Origins with all DLCs on Origin store for only 15$ on sale.... 

And considering Bioware have that aweful habit of selling DLCs via BIOWARE POINTS instead of direct cash payment makes me worried I may be doing a mistake pre-ordering the game then have to pay loads of money for DLCs and such for ridiculous amount of bioware points.

 

2) In Dragon Age 2 the downloadable content gear was outright better then anything game had to offer and killed pretty much the exploration and gearing aspect of the game, can we expect all those "Inquisition pre order uber armors" to do the same?

 

3) This is going to be classic bioware game with "Central" mision hub few missions and "nothing to see move along" or we are talking Eldar scrolls like with living world which we would visit time and again? how linear is this?

 

4) when there will be more details on what the CE pack will include on origin store?

[AlanC9]

What do Bio points have to do with this? You buy the points with money, so what's the difference?

I agree that some of the DA2 DLC gear was pretty bad, but I didn't think most of the preorder goodies were all that awesome. DAO had this problem to some extent too. In general, I find that paid equipment packs make the game worse. Not a big problem since I just don't buy them.

[Googleness]

let's say some DLC cost 250 Bioware points... the smallest amounts of points you could purchase was 400... so they had weird mix up of dlc prices in the end you paid more for the bioware points and left with excess points.

 

Also Dragon age origin items were pretty game breaking... with feastday gifts you could get 100% affection after you hit camp first time!

Yup I agree paid equipment really ruins the game.. I like the low level starter ones but for End-Game I prefer quest rewards ones like in origins the heavy dragon set or in DA2 the armor from the trailers.

[Spirit Keeper]

What do Bio points have to do with this? You buy the points with money, so what's the difference?

I agree that some of the DA2 DLC gear was pretty bad, but I didn't think most of the preorder goodies were all that awesome. DAO had this problem to some extent too. In general, I find that paid equipment packs make the game worse. Not a big problem since I just don't buy them.

Because the price of a BW point bundle may be higher than what the DLC actually costs. 

 

Also if a DLC is priced at 860BW points (using UK Origins) that would be just above £6.00. But your only choices are 800BW at £6.00 or 1600BW costing £13.00. That means you'd have to buy 2 800s at £12.00 or 1600 at £13.00.

 

The points system is a cheap way of extorting more money out of people that they really need to spend because the DLC gets priced juuuuust above the price of one of the BW bundles. 

 

Extortion covers a lot of different things but includes these definitions, extort: "to elicit by cunning or persuasiveness: to secure (money, favours, etc) by intimidation, violence, or the misuse of influence or authority: (Commerce) to overcharge for something, (esp interest on a loan)"

 

So it is at least extortion to some degree.

[Thumb Fu]

 

3) This is going to be classic bioware game with "Central" mision hub few missions and "nothing to see move along" or we are talking Eldar scrolls like with living world which we would visit time and again? how linear is this?

 

I would recommend if you wan't a truly open world game like Elder Scrolls, you stick to playing Skyrim. We already know that DA:I will have a set story path that bioware is calling the "critical path" the world isn't fully open, it still has regions, that you need to travel between. I play a Bioware game for the story and characters anyway, i play Elder Scrolls for the open world free form game style. They are totally different things, variety is a good thing, embrace it.

[Spirit Keeper]

I would recommend if you wan't a truly open world game like Elder Scrolls, you stick to playing Skyrim. We already know that DA:I will have a set story path that bioware is calling the "critical path" the world isn't fully open, it still has regions, that you need to travel between. I play a Bioware game for the story and characters anyway, i play Elder Scrolls for the open world free form game style. They are totally different things, variety is a good thing, embrace it.

Indeed, plus the time needed to complete open world games like Skyrim is too damn high. I've had Skyrim for 2 years at least and am yet to finish the game or its side quests. Variety is the spice of life so I am told. 

[AlanC9]

 

Also Dragon age origin items were pretty game breaking... with feastday gifts you could get 100% affection after you hit camp first time!

Yup I agree paid equipment really ruins the game.. I like the low level starter ones but for End-Game I prefer quest rewards ones like in origins the heavy dragon set or in DA2 the armor from the trailers.

 

Well, I presume anyone who would actually want the Feastday Gifts is trying to break the approval system. But if that one didn't auto-install with the UE I wouldn't even have DLd if for free.

[Spirit Keeper]

Well, I presume anyone who would actually want the Feastday Gifts is trying to break the approval system. But if that one didn't auto-install with the UE I wouldn't even have DLd if for free.

Same. 

 

I think you can apply that first thing to every kind of armour/weapon/gift/etc DLC. If you think the stats are 'OP' then just don't buy it, download it and then wear it...It's an option for those who want to be OP.

[AlanC9]

Because the price of a BW point bundle may be higher than what the DLC actually costs. 

 

Also if a DLC is priced at 860BW points (using UK Origins) that would be just above £6.00. But your only choices are 800BW at £6.00 or 1600BW costing £13.00. That means you'd have to buy 2 800s at £12.00 or 1600 at £13.00.

 

The points system is a cheap way of extorting more money out of people that they really need to spend because the DLC gets priced juuuuust above the price of one of the BW bundles. 

 

 I think it might be a little more accurate to say that they're forcing some of us to give them a zero-interest loan. BW points I had left over from ME3 would be used on DAI, DAI leftover points would be used on ME4, and so forth. But meanwhile that's money they have and I don't.

[Spirit Keeper]

 I think it might be a little more accurate to say that they're forcing some of us to give them a zero-interest loan. BW points I had left over from ME3 would be used on DAI, DAI leftover points would be used on ME4, and so forth. But meanwhile that's money they have and I don't.

That of course depends if a person buys DA:I, ME4 etc. Or if DA:I and ME4 even has DLC (although it's probably about a 99.999999999% chance it will do), or if the BW point system doesn't cease to be. 

 

I think it would be much more reasonable to just give the DLC a price tag instead of a points tag.

[metalfenix]

The bioware points system made sense when they were separate from EA...but now...why they aren't sold directly on $$ ?

[Googleness]

One of the reasons I asked about bioware points is that now when Bioware game are sold via origin they can just sell via origin the dlcs for $$$ instead of points. It's major concern of mine and if the game will be with bioware points I won't pre - order I will wait for "ultimate all dlcs" edition in discount.

 

Second, I asked about open world because they kept shouting all over the place it's open world blah blah blah.... I'm in ioware games for the classic experiance of "central" mission hub with smaller mini hubs around it for each chapter of the story.

[Spirit Keeper]

One of the reasons I asked about bioware points is that now when Bioware game are sold via origin they can just sell via origin the dlcs for $$$ instead of points. It's major concern of mine and if the game will be with bioware points I won't pre - order I will wait for "ultimate all dlcs" edition in discount.

 

Second, I asked about open world because they kept shouting all over the place it's open world blah blah blah.... I'm in ioware games for the classic experiance of "central" mission hub with smaller mini hubs around it for each chapter of the story.

If you mean Bioware when you said "they kept shouting all over the place it's open world blah blah blah". I don't think I've ever head Bioware call this game Open World. Semi-Open World perhaps.

[Googleness]

Dragon Age 3: Inquisition draws open-world influence from Skyrim

 

lot more like this online which made me worry...

[Spirit Keeper]

Dragon Age 3: Inquisition draws open-world influence from Skyrim

 

lot more like this online which made me worry...

 

Bioware have stated that it's not going to be an open world game. The term semi-open world has been used recently. It's pretty safe to say you don't need to worry about it being an open world game.

[Googleness]

awesome.

now let's see what they are planning with dlcs and bioware points...

 

as big mass effect fan I had lot of trouble with those :x

[nihiliste]

I agree paying to buy arbitrary numbers bioware points to spend on DLC is stupid.  There's no good reason to not have people just pay for DLC in one step rather than two.

[Gnoster]

I agree paying to buy arbitrary numbers bioware points to spend on DLC is stupid.  There's no good reason to not have people just pay for DLC in one step rather than two.

 

Well, there is no good reason for the consumer. From a business perspective the idea is that you structure the points sold is such a way, that the customer always end up with just short of enough or have just enough left after a point purchase that they are enticed to buy another DLC ..only they can't unless they buy some more points (a vicious circle for the consumer without backbone to stop a.k.a. someone like me when it comes to Bioware games e.g.  ).

 

Another example I just ran over the other day as I was buying some Magic the Gathering Cards, I needed plastic covers for them. So me and my friend each bought a pre constructed deck of 60 Cards, but plastic covers are only sold in packets of 100 each, so we had to buy 200. Even normal life stuff like buying groceries use this where I live; if you want to make hot dogs for dinner, you cannot buy an equal amount of bread and sausages, they are always uneven in the hopes you buy more to try and equal it out.

 

Not that I am agreeing with that business approach, and I do think time has run out for EA and Bioware to use the Bioware points system and that they should move to a direct cash option as EA does with other games, but the above is a simple cash grab for a company no matter their product.

[JCFR]

Well in general i'm not totaly against this dlc-thing. There are even some dlcs i enjoyed.  But what serously gets outa hand is the fact of the price and the content.

What i never ever wanna see again is dlcs that just content an armor and weapon set - especially not for five bucks.  That is SO wrong.

And even those story-dlcs with their 1-2 hours lenght were horribly overpriced in the past. Oh and also please no day-1-dlc-companion.

But for the right price and the right content, i don't mind spending a few bucks.

So get that kind of sh** right and stop treating your fans and customers like milkcows with your price-policy, Bioware.