After seeing a tweet by David Gaider stating that "Neither Morrigan nor the Qun are atheists", I'm curious about what the exact religious beliefs of the Qun are then. After doing some research, evidence seemed to be in favor of the Qun being an atheistic philosophy (they only barely tolerate deism in new locales and view the Maker and the Elven gods as a delusion). Are the Qun pantheists perhaps?
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DarkDragon777
, avril 26 2014 11:30
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 12:02
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Well the Run does acknowledge the existance of demons and spirits and the fade. They also believe in the soul, otherwise the qun wouldn't have a priesthood.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 01:13
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Do they have to believe in and/or worship a god to be considered not atheist? To me it seems they're beliefs are in the realm of men.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 01:17
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Do they have to believe in and/or worship a god to be considered not atheist?
Yes.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 01:26
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Maybe they believe in a reincarnation cycle that is based on how well or poorly you act in life will determine who you are reincarnated as in the next life?
The Qunari are Super Communistic Hindus!!! Yay!!!
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:01
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Do they have to believe in and/or worship a god to be considered not atheist? To me it seems they're beliefs are in the realm of men.
Yes. Pantheism is the belief in multiple gods, theism is the belief there is a god (not sure if it needs to be singular) and atheism is the active belief that there is no god. Therefore, if the Qunari and Morrigan are not atheists, then they believe in some kind of higher spiritual power. It surprises me that this surprises me about the Qunari, seeing as I know they have a priesthood. Interesting. Though technically, they don't have to believe in a particular god to not be an atheist. Like Morrigan, she seems to be more agnostic to me. Even if it's true that she's not an atheist, I don't see her actively expressing faith in anything that isn't in front of her.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:02
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They believe in the will of the Qun. The Qun is their deity.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:02
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But... Morrigan specifically said in banter that she did not believe in the Maker or any supreme being..
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:08
Hanako Ikezawa
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But... Morrigan specifically said in banter that she did not believe in the Maker or any supreme being..
She acknowledges the Old Gods existing, though. So that is recognizing a deity.
Edit: She also claims that magic is a higher power.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:21
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Morrigan beleives there are forces that she cannot comprehend, but she does not beleive the chantry version of what this power is and its motivations.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:22
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Yes.
Yes. Pantheism is the belief in multiple gods, theism is the belief there is a god (not sure if it needs to be singular) and atheism is the active belief that there is no god. Therefore, if the Qunari and Morrigan are not atheists, then they believe in some kind of higher spiritual power. It surprises me that this surprises me about the Qunari, seeing as I know they have a priesthood. Interesting. Though technically, they don't have to believe in a particular god to not be an atheist. Like Morrigan, she seems to be more agnostic to me. Even if it's true that she's not an atheist, I don't see her actively expressing faith in anything that isn't in front of her.
But can a god not be in the people around us? or in the dirt or sky or the **** on the ground(circle of life). I'm just saying that god is an idea that doesn't necessarily have a specific form. Their god could be in the unity of their society, it doesn't have to be a real guy in the sky or fade or whatever.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 02:28
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Yes. Pantheism is the belief in multiple gods, theism is the belief there is a god (not sure if it needs to be singular) and atheism is the active belief that there is no god. Therefore, if the Qunari and Morrigan are not atheists, then they believe in some kind of higher spiritual power. It surprises me that this surprises me about the Qunari, seeing as I know they have a priesthood. Interesting. Though technically, they don't have to believe in a particular god to not be an atheist. Like Morrigan, she seems to be more agnostic to me. Even if it's true that she's not an atheist, I don't see her actively expressing faith in anything that isn't in front of her.
Pantheism is the belief that the universe is god, which I suspect of the Qun. Polytheism is the belief in many gods. Monotheism is one.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 03:05
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I'm not sure that I'd consider Morrigan to be atheist. More... non-religious. For those of you who don't know, being non-religious means that you don't have any set beliefs or anything like that, but you do believe in some sort of higher power, be it benign and omnipresent, or malevolent and omnipotent.
As for the Old Gods... Morrigan does acknowledge their existence, but does not consider them to be actual 'gods'. The Old Gods do exist (we know this because they become archdemons when awakened and tainted), but that does not make them actual 'gods' in any way. The only reason why they are called the Old Gods in the first place is because of ancient Tevinter.
The Qunari, well, I never considered them atheist. Atheism isn't a religion, so the fact that the Qunari have priests quickly dismisses that. Other than that, I don't really know. * shrugs *
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 03:12
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Do they have to believe in and/or worship a god to be considered not atheist? To me it seems they're beliefs are in the realm of men.
It might be better to say it requires belief in divinity or higher spiritual existence.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 04:01
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Pantheism is the belief that the universe is god, which I suspect of the Qun. Polytheism is the belief in many gods. Monotheism is one.
Yes, sorry, I was getting my poly and pan mixed together. Thank you. I would probably agree that's likely where the Qun fit, too.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 05:18
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Does atheism even exist in Thedas? After all this a realm where the Fade and things like spirits and demons and such are very real things that plenty of mortals have had direct experience with.
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 05:19
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No surprise here. They do believe in afterlife but details are unknown, except that the Fade is the land of dead and no qunari should visit it, even in sleep. They used to believe in beast-gods as well
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 05:33
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Where did you get that info about the beast gods? Are you talking about the Qunari or primitive kossith?
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Posté 27 avril 2014 - 05:38
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World of Thedas, wiki and codexWhere did you get that info about the beast gods? Are you talking about the Qunari or primitive kossith?
"Primitive" kossiths were the ancestors of qunari, it is their past and origin. Koslun was born as a kossith yet became the first qunari
I still use kossith as a race word tho, whether people like it or not
