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[calvinien]

Which panel at which con?  Do you have a source for him saying that?  I've been looking and I can't find it.  I even looked for Mike Laidlaw as another developer that might have made that comment on this and I haven't found it yet.

 

Edit: The only direct developer statements I've read are from Cameron's a week ago, stating flat out that blood magic is evil.  I've spent 20 minutes since I posted checking old convention panels, old articles and other statements.  They'd been quiet on that front up until now.  The only things I read was Mike Laidlaw mentioning that blood magic is in DA2 for the player mainly due to the Rule of Cool, and that no one gives the Champion a hard time for being a blood mage because they are afraid of him/her.   Even that isn't sourced, it's just something I read on a gamefaqs forum.  Not exactly known for being a reliable news source.

Regretfully, I can't remember exact specifics.

 

I believe it was at pax east 2012. I'm fairly sure it took place before inquisition (then called dragon age 3 inquisition) was announced because I remember them talking about things in terms of "a hypothetical future dragon age game." I also remember them making a joke about how people were afraid that the combat of the next dragon age would be too stylized and on the power point they showed a screenshot of Devil May cry 4. Then they said future combat would play more strategically and we were shown a diagram that looked a bit like a football play and everyone cheered. I may be conflating two events and if so I apologize, I believe the entire panel could be found on youtube and the blood magic portion was part of a Q and A. Aside from that I have no more info.

 

Re: Cameron Lee

 

In that very interview he states that he hopes Gaider doens't kick his arse for getting the lore wrong. it may well be that with blood magic he did exactly that.

 

I like to think of it in this way. Take merril. A person most peoepl can agree is one of the most altrustic, decent peopel in thedas. So in a battle with a bunch of those constantly resapwning gangs at night, she kills one wave with a lightning storm/petrify. So a bunch of them get burned and shocked form the ligtning, end up breaking bones and teeth in their spasms (as electocution can make you do) before dying. The boss gets turned to stone and shattered by a dude with a warhammer. None of this is evil. Say the next wave gets close and she instead uses wrath of the elvhen/ensanre. So this wave gets torn apart slowly by thorny tentacles. Also...not evil.

 

But the second she runs out of mana and cuts herself to use those same spells with her own life powering them...THAT becomes evil. That makes no sense. The bad guys are just as dead. Even if she up and uses wounds of the past and boils their blood in their veins...how is that more evil than tearing them apart with thorny vines or bashing their face in with a fist made out of rock or causing them to live a waking nightmare while a cloud of entropic enegry tears them apart slowly and painfully?

[wcholcombe]

Take merril. A person most peoepl can agree is one of the most altrustic, decent peopel in thedas.

You obviously haven't been around BSN very long. I can direct you to any number of threads that got extremely heated over what kind of character Merril is/was and I can assure you there wasn't a majority opinion one way or the other.

 

To the rest of your point. The actual act of blood magic isn't evil I think, I believe it is the cummulative effects of using it and how it can corrupt a person. Again all suposition from the comments devs have made since 2007.  We don't know one way or the other, just that they have come out and said it is evil. If that wasn't the case, we would have had a mod on here already saying Cameron was mistaken already and clearing up the situation before we got to the 16th page.

[KainD]

we would have had a mod on here already saying Cameron was mistaken already and clearing up the situation before we got to the 16th page.

 

It's their setting, they can't really make mistakes, they can just do something with the setting that others would find baffling and silly. They can for example say: ''only left handed people from now on can be templars.'' And that is going to be canon. 

[Grieving Natashina]

You obviously haven't been around BSN very long. I can direct you to any number of threads that got extremely heated over what kind of character Merril is/was and I can assure you there wasn't a majority opinion one way or the other.

 

To the rest of your point. The actual act of blood magic isn't evil I think, I believe it is the cummulative effects of using it and how it can corrupt a person. Again all suposition from the comments devs have made since 2007.  We don't know one way or the other, just that they have come out and said it is evil. If that wasn't the case, we would have had a mod on here already saying Cameron was mistaken already and clearing up the situation before we got to the 16th page.

Agreed here.  I'm out of likes, so here you go.

 

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[wcholcombe]

It's their setting, they can't really make mistakes, they can just do something with the setting that others would find baffling and silly. They can for example say: ''only left handed people from now on can be templars.'' And that is going to be canon. 

Yes, but he can be mistaken in an interview.

[KainD]

Yes, but he can be mistaken in an interview.

 

There is no mistake, it's just his opinion on the setting, but he is one of the devs. Just what he said comes across as something silly, until further clarification. 

[wcholcombe]

There is no mistake, it's just his opinion on the setting, but he is one of the devs. Just what he said comes across as something silly, until further clarification. 

It was a response to Calvinien's post.

[Tremere]

"So it isn't possible for a good person to be corrupted through or by the actions they take?"

 

Look, I posted a long time ago on here that the evil debate about blood magic has little to do with it not being in the game. It is the way they implement it as being evil/having consequences that is the problem.  Either they haven't found a way to tie the consequences to the game play or they haven't found a way that being a blood mage makes you select evil choices I am not sure, but it isn't that BM is or isn't evil, it is a problem of how they can show it in the game.

Possible? Of course it's possible, but to suggest it here is to take the comment out of context. I get the "Absolute power..." meme that's often quoted in this regard, but that wasn't really the point. "If" a good person (as one understands it), begins to commit unscrupulous (perhaps malevolent) acts, as a result of gaining power and influence, it would be fair to consider what you suggest. However, if said person remains compassionate and just, in spite of whatever power and influence they acquire, the question of evil becomes virtually irrelevant. It's not out of the question, but it certainly has no basis in fact or deed.

[wcholcombe]

Possible? Of course it's possible, but to suggest it here is to take the comment out of context. I get the "Absolute power..." meme that's often quoted in this regard, but that wasn't really the point. "If" a good person (as one understands it), begins to commit unscrupulous (perhaps malevolent) acts, as a result of gaining power and influence, it would be fair to consider what you suggest. However, if said person remains compassionate and just, in spite of whatever power and influence they acquire, the question of evil becomes virtually irrelevant. It's not out of the question, but it certainly has no basis in fact or deed.

I am confused, I said that comment in response to Kain saying people are what they are and aren't changed to good or evil, they are already one way or another.

[Tremere]

I am confused, I said that comment in response to Kain saying people are what they are and aren't changed to good or evil, they are already one way or another.

Ah... Okay... I thought it was in response to mine.

[sunnydxmen]

What made it stupid when you blood magic to heal yourself by taking life from companion. if that was me i be like oh hell no time to die blood mage.

[The Elder King]

What made it stupid when you blood magic to heal yourself by taking life from companion. if that was me i be like oh hell no time to die blood mage.

You aren't forced to do so though. You can switch out from blood magic, take a potion/be healed by Wynne/Morrigan/Anders, and return to BM.
Merrill didn't have that spell and I didn't have problems.

[fchopin]

If any blood mage uses my blood I will use their head to play football and I don't care who they are.

[hangmans tree]

Sorry for...

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A very common mistake; its you are -> you're a bloodmage. Not your a bloodmage.

The thread's title irks me.

[themageguy]

Meh, I'm happy with Necromancer.