So what is the definition of Mary Sue? I mean I see so many people on these forums talking about how lame Mary Sues are yet they also seem completely oblivious to the fact that all of Bioware's recent protagonists have been Mary Sues? How would the Inquisitor be any less of a Mary Sue than the OGB (provided that they aren't already one and the same)?
In all honesty do you really want to play a character who isn't a Mary Sue?
I don't want my Inquisitor to be perfect, I want him to be unhinged, broken for lack of a better term. Serious emotional problems that only Cassy or Varric's chest hair can fix.
I don't want my Inquisitor to be perfect, I want him to be unhinged, broken for lack of a better term. Serious emotional problems that only Cassy or Varric's chest hair can fix.
Cass has chest hair? I guess her new butch appearance didn't just stop at her face xD
Serious emotional problems that only Cassy or Varric's chest hair can fix.
YES for Cassy chest hair!
So what is the definition of Mary Sue? I mean I see so many people on these forums talking about how lame Mary Sues are yet they also seem completely oblivious to the fact that all of Bioware's recent protagonists have been Mary Sues? How would the Inquisitor be any less of a Mary Sue than the OGB (provided that they aren't already one and the same)?
In all honesty do you really want to play a character who isn't a Mary Sue?
there is no reason to think the OGB is a mary sue because we haven't even see him yet, though it is at least the first time I've seen a non canon barely mentioned character called a mary sue
the inquisitor is not the god forsaken OGB.
clear they do since they do.
oh and tropes are not bad, and mary sue isn't a charcter you don't like, and I'll list more correction when I get around to it and find that rum
To be fair Hawke wasn't a Mary Sue, and that was a source of some people's complaints concerning DAII. PC's kinda get a bit of leeway when it comes to Sueness, because players can play them in such a variety of ways. Some versions of the Inquisitor might come across as very Mary Sueish, others might be far more human and flawed, Sues only become a problem when they detract from the experience of the person playing the game, as long as people can play their Inquisitor the way they want to play them, it doesn't matter if the Inquisitor is a Sue or not.
Uh uh. My standards are pretty low when it comes to physical appearance; I've dated girls that have had ugly hair, no hair, extra limbs, extra eyes, no eyes, third eyes and at least one girl who I'm certain was a cannibal. (I have the bite marks to prove it.) But chest hair is a deal-breaker.
This forum has made me despise this term so much.
Fandom in general for me.
Why engage in serious discussion of a character and how they fit into a given work of fiction when you can just call characters you don't like Mary Sues and call it a day?
The term is useful for describing a certain type of character, but it's definitely overused. People should try reading more OC centered fanfiction (or even the Star Trek parody story that the term originated from) if they want to know what a real Mary Sue looks like. The characters in popular original fictions that people often cite as Mary Sues are usually very mild cases at worst.
A mary sue isn't a bad thing, in all honesty. Some of the most highly regarded characters of this generation, be it Batman, Superman, Goku, Luffy, Naruto, Walter White, Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow, Kratos, Most RPG protagonists of this generation, Every assassin's creed protagonists, Harry Potter, have all been examples of mary sues, or have slowly become mary sues given their long runs and high accomplishments.
A badly written mary sue in a badly written series however, is one of the most horrific abominations of literature or fiction you will ever come across.
"Mary Sue" today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a generalized, although not universal, connotation of wish-fulfillment and is commonly associated with self-insertion. True self-insertion is a literal and generally undisguised representation of the author; most characters described as "Mary Sues" are not, though they are often called "proxies" for the author. The negative connotation comes from this "wish-fulfillment" implication: the "Mary Sue" is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting. - Wiki
The term Mary Sue is thrown around so much these days but people don't really understand what it means. So many great characters have been Sueish. Just because a character is wish-fulfillment doesn't necessarily mean the character isn't interesting, or well developed.
I'd say 99% of video game protagonists would fit these descriptions. And a whole bunch of movie characters too.
These days I don't even take the accusation seriously.
There's nothing wrong with Mary Sue, some people like happy endings ok.
There's nothing wrong with Mary Sue, some people like happy endings ok.
... wasn't Shepard a Mary Sue-esque character? xD
'Female character who is competent in some way' basically
... wasn't Shepard a Mary Sue-esque character? xD
"Highly skilled and extremely competent" does not equal Mary Sue. "Impossibly perfect" or "the universe revolves around this character" equals Mary Sue.
... wasn't Shepard a Mary Sue-esque character? xD
yes.
'Female character who is competent in some way' basically
not even close, my friend not even close
"Highly skilled and extremely competent" does not equal Mary Sue. "Impossibly perfect" or "the universe rotates around this characterr" equals Mary Sue.
What's wrong with that? everyone wants to be perfect and loved 
Aren't Mary-Sues supposed to be characters that are the absolute best at EVERYTHING? They never fail at anything ever. They're the characters who take down an entire room full of baddies without breaking a sweat all with ballet-esque elegance and then busting out a cliched witticism at the end of it. Yah know, that kinda thing. You get them a lot in bad books. Probably one of my least favourite character types, it doesn't help that they're usually completely flat with no development because they're perfect already. But yeah I don't really think any of Bioware's characters fill the slot.
... wasn't Shepard a Mary Sue-esque character? xD
idk what that is, I never played that game. 
No-one wants an NPC Mary Sue. But it's always going to be possible to have a protagonist Mary Sue. Players have metagaming and time to make decisions, so some people are going to want to play a 'perfect game' with a 'perfect character'. That's entirely up to them. The alternative is to start railroading the players, which no-one wants.
Aren't Mary-Sues supposed to be characters that are the absolute best at EVERYTHING? They never fail at anything ever. They're the characters who take down an entire room full of baddies without breaking a sweat all with ballet-esque elegance and then busting out a cliched witticism at the end of it. Yah, that kinda thing. You get them a lot in bad books. Probably one of my least favourite character types, it doesn't help that they're usually completely flat with no development because they're perfect already. But yeah I don't really think any of Bioware's characters fill the slot.
that is that most basic and extreme version yes. but that type is mostly in fanfics. well done ones can be amusing because you know their going to win but some are.... creative. see alucard from hellsing.
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