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[tmp7704]

And I have already told you, I am merely doing market research trying to determine the fanbase Bioware is trying to appeal to

Trying to do it by asking random person(s) on game forum is very much a waste of your time.

[AshenShug4r]

And don't forget the part where the Warden magically solves all the major problems of Fereldan by her/himslef although everyone else failed miserably.

Examples:

 

A pride demon has taken over the circle tower. A demon that is supposedly capable of turning entire cities to ashes. And the templars there are pretty much powerless against it, until the warden and her/his army of three random people, s/he recruited off the street, come and slay said demon after killing hudred lesser demons before. Seriously?

 

Dwarf king is dead and the nobles can't decide on a new one? Don't worry for I, the Warden, a convicted criminal that was cast out from Orzammar/ random stranger from the surface that hasn't even set foot into Orzammar before, shall solve all your problems, although I have no idea why you guys should even listen to me in the first place.

 

The ashes of Andraste, believed to be merely a myth, shrouded by mystery and it's existance kept secret by the cultists for centuries. The Warden finds it in like a week after s/he starts looking for it.

 

And you can't fail in any of these missions. You always solve all the problems no other being could have solved, because... I don't know.... you are special.. I guess.

Here comes the devils advocate.

-The templars and mages were taken complete by surprise. Not to mention your comrades are hardly run of the mill. Each of them is exceptional in their own field.

-The dwarves listen to you at first because you're a Grey Warden bearing treaties. Then you fight in the proving. And then you go into the deep roads and come back with crazy stories and a huge crown.

 

-The ashes of Andraste were only so easy to find because of the work of Brother Genitivi.

 

And yeah you solve all the problems, but all with varying outcomes. Some of them can be downright tragic.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The Warden being "able" to die is just the game over screen.

 

That's enough.  That's still a death.

As for talents and combat proficiency; it doesn't matter. No matter how badly you chose to play the game, the game treats it as an absolute truth about the world that you are competent.

Why are you ignoring the actual combat in your assessment of the game's truth?  In the combat, you are not competent.  If the game were insisting that you were, then you would always succeed no matter what you did.  Death, or even ineffectiveness, would be impossible.

 

What are you using to determine this so-called "absolute truth of the world"?  Dialogue?  Are you reading the minds of the NPCs again?

[Kohaku]

"Highly skilled and extremely competent" does not equal Mary Sue. "Impossibly perfect" or "the universe revolves around this character" equals Mary Sue.

However, to me, each Bioware PC is just like that. I find it hard to tell the difference. Shepard saved the Galaxy and everyone loved him/her. Even when they did something bad, who cares, they are perfect and everything (for better or worse) went their way. Same with Hawke. Yeah, Hawke had some nonsense going their way but in the end, things pretty much ended up going their way. 

 

This is not to say I don't like Mary Sueness. Some of the characters I write could straight out be called Mary/Gary Sues but I'm going to call a spade for it is. The stories Bioware write lead them into that territory and I don't blame them. Who wants to be a loser when you can just be loved all the time?

[zambingo]

Hawke is powerless to stop the deaths of family members let alone stop a major, war inciting, terrorist attack. To say that everything goes Hawke's way is silly. Even romantically Hawke is denied by Aveline and Varric. Trying to help your countrymen results in nothing but more death and not even any profit for you (except obviously enemy loot/xp), but story wise all you have is knowing Hawke tired their best to help.

Also except for smacking hands about demon dealing my Hawke was nothing but nice to Anders and Merrill yet both were still rivals. Dicks even got more pissed when given gifts as peace offerings.

With that said, I love that. Sometimes all you have to hold onto is how you handled yourself, other things are always capable of screwing everything up.

[Shark17676]

"Highly skilled and extremely competent" does not equal Mary Sue. "Impossibly perfect" or "the universe revolves around this character" equals Mary Sue.

 

And Shepard was all of those things.

[Red Panda]

And Shepard was all of those things.

Since when is default Shepard perfect?

 

 

The amount of bodies says otherwise.