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[Steelcan]

Bob, you still need to look into the story of Robb Stark, a heroic, dashing, just, and honorable man.

 

He was unbeatable on the battlefield and ruled with justice and honor always in mind.

 

You know what happened to him?

 

Spoiler

[naddaya]

Whether something might  happen is always entirely irrelevant in a story. I can always think up a theoretical situation that might happen. It's ridiculously easy to think up any number of no-win situations that might happen, both in fiction and in real life.

 

It makes utterly no difference. Stories aren't written and told off scenarios merely because they might happen.

 

As for making your character more interesting, as I said, I'm sure there will options to have your character be a screw-up.

 

Well the game isn't out yet, is it? We're not discussing an actual plot, we're in the Inquisition forums. Everything here is theoretical. We agree on one thing though, I don't think the Inquisitor will be forced to be a screw-up Mary Sue. Bioware has handled this pretty in well in DA so far.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David's idea of a hero is about as practical and interesting as watching a rock gain layers.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Bob, you still need to look into the story of Robb Stark, a heroic, dashing, just, and honorable man.

 

He was unbeatable on the battlefield and ruled with justice and honor always in mind.

 

You know what happened to him?

 

Spoiler

 

Are you a fan of the Pikachu?

[Spectre Impersonator]

So... this is still goin on then.

[Mockingword]

Bob, you still need to look into the story of Robb Stark, a heroic, dashing, just, and honorable man.

 

He was unbeatable on the battlefield and ruled with justice and honor always in mind.

 

You know what happened to him?

 

Spoiler

Didn't he end up that way specifically because he reneged on a promise?

 

If anything, that just goes to show what you get for being dishonorable.

[Enigmatick]

David's idea of a hero is about as practical and interesting as watching a rock gain layers.

Oh so Bob is David? Explains a lot.

[Steelcan]

Didn't he end up that way specifically because he reneged on a promise?

 

If anything, that just goes to show what you get for being dishonorable.

No

 

He ended up like that because he chose the honor of a woman he had sex with outside of wedlock over his own

[jtav]

I don't think being attractive, strong, insert positive trait here has much to do with Suedom. The key questions for me are these:

1. Is this character consistent with the world around them? Being an extremely powerful mage is uncommon, but we know some mages are more talented than others. Being able to resurrect the dead is going to require a justification.
2. Are traits actually shown or merely asserted by the narrative? If my character is supposed to be charismatic and a great speaker, the speeches should be good. And so on.
3. Are other character's reactions to this character realistic? Inquisitor shouldn't be able to pass a persuade check and convince the head of the Carta to go straight. Other characters shouldn't be falling over him or her without a good reason.
4. Does the story set up moral dilemmas or sacrifices and then allow the character to bypass them? How often?
5. Are the consequences of the characters actions realistic?

And just as an aside/ bit of advice: I'm finding a strong RP element keeps things from becoming too perfect. My dwarf noble had a lot of things go badly because he was an entirely typical member of his caste. Even rebels are going to be influenced by the surrounding culture. It was much harder with Shepard because she was an outsider making decisions about strange cultures.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh so Bob is David? Explains a lot.

 

He is.

 

When he gets back, he'll return as Max from IT. Then Jed from Human Resources. And lastly as Pam from HVAC.

[Mockingword]

No

 

He ended up like that because he chose the honor of a woman he had sex with outside of wedlock over his own

So you're saying he also cheated on his betrothed.

[Enigmatick]

He is.

 

When he gets back, he'll return as Max from IT. Then Jed from Human Resources. And lastly as Pam from HVAC.

Is he doing this to avoid a permaban like Plantiff or did he just want a fresh start?

 

I have no idea what this thread is about anymore.

[Steelcan]

So you're saying he also cheated on his betrothed.

He wasn't betrothed to a specific woman, furthermore the deal was made invalid when he was named King in the North

[Mockingword]

He wasn't betrothed to a specific woman, furthermore the deal was made invalid when he was named King in the North

Obviously the people on the other end of it disagreed.

[Steelcan]

Obviously the people on the other end of it disagreed.

How familiar are you with the ASoIaF books or the show?

[CronoDragoon]

And just as an aside/ bit of advice: I'm finding a strong RP element keeps things from becoming too perfect. My dwarf noble had a lot of things go badly because he was an entirely typical member of his caste. Even rebels are going to be influenced by the surrounding culture. It was much harder with Shepard because she was an outsider making decisions about strange cultures.

 

It's also plain harder to screw up in Mass Effect in general.

[jtav]

It's also plain harder to screw up in Mass Effect in general.

Well, that too. It also helps that there's no consistent best path. Being a paladin type works great--until you hit Orzammer. I also have a hard tine justifying the DR and killing Loghain on the same character, but that's a personal quirk.

[zambingo]

The reason I put forward the Jonah Hex style disfigurement suggestion was to gauge peoples receptiveness to negative things happening to their characters that they may not intend, for instance their character being disfigured to the point that they are no longer the most beautiful person in the universe, would they still want to play a character that is no longer attractive and no longer viewed by the universe as such? Would Dragon Age still be as enjoyable if Cullen didn't have a crush on their protagonist, if Alistair decided to ignore their character and pursue Morrigan or Leliana instead, or if Zevran turned down their character because their face made him want to puke?

I'll grant that BioWare has not, as of yet, had NPCs or companions react to things like Blood Magic use by the player (never more apparent has that been than in DA2).

I will also grant that BioWare has not, as of yet, figured out a set of programming variables that could possibly understand and react to an "ugly" appearance.

However myself and others have detailed how BioWare games have already provided situations for the player to engage in which results in scorn or abandonment from their companions. As such I will reassert that some of which you, seemingly, desire to experience in these games can already be experienced in these games if you (the player) take the games in that direction. These games do not "game over" you for choosing a path that isn't created by fence sitting and gazing at rainbows.

[Maiden Crowe]

Myself and others have already detailed how BioWare games have already

 

Have already what?

[zambingo]

On mobile... Accidentally hit the post button. The reply has been appropriately edited/completed.

[DontWakeTheBear]

 

Obviously the people on the other end of it disagreed.

Obviously, though how justified they were in their retribution is up for debate. To be fair, I think Martin does an excellent job in making sure none of his characters are cliche. 

 

Have already what?

Bioware does an excellent job offering the players choice. You have to reach certain points but the path you use to get there is often left up to you. As for your attraction comments: Beauty is also in the eye of the beholder, perhaps you DO have a mangled face or body, so what? As far as I know that never stopped ladies jumping into bed with Hex.

[Maiden Crowe]

I will also grant that BioWare has not, as of yet, figured out a set of programming variables that could possibly understand and react to an "ugly" appearance.

 

In terms of recognizing certain combination of appearance slider values as ugly? No, that would be incredibly difficult to do, however in the case of disfigurements resulting as a consequence for certain actions made during the game all it would take is a simple flag, I could also suggest a simple beauty stat like Arcanum but personally I don't really like that idea.

 

But that said if NPCs can only recognize your character as one value on the scale of attractiveness no matter how your character looks why does that value always have to be beautiful? Would the player be offended if NPCs started remarking about how the PC's face makes them want to puke?

 

However myself and others have detailed how BioWare games have already provided situations for the player to engage in which results in scorn or abandonment from their companions. As such I will reassert that some of which you, seemingly, desire to experience in these games can already be experienced in these games if you (the player) take the games in that direction. These games do not "game over" you for choosing a path that isn't created by fence sitting and gazing at rainbows.

 

And I have already detailed how situations where you need to really go out of your way and ignore logic to **** up and get a bad result don't count, yes there are situations where there is the option to get a bad result but usually the option is presented as the illogical and least desired option that nobody in their right mind would pick unless their goal was to **** up.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I wonder why it is that rarely do people seem to notice the exact opposite happening in games, which is really a whole lot more common.

 

How many countless times in games does the player accomplish some task only to be shouted at to immediately accomplish another task? Often without so much as acknowledgement of what they accomplished?

 

Ramirez! Destroy that column of tanks by yourself! Ramirez! Clear out that building full of three dozen hostiles! Ramirez! We've got a chopper inbound!

Might be because it often feels like the task needs to be done regardless of us getting a pat on the head.

[jtav]

@MC

To your last point: not always. Bhelen is the better choice for the dwarves in practical terms, but he is also utterly ruthless and screwed over the dwarf noble. Certain character types simp;y will not side with him unless the player is metagaming. And that's on the player. Anvil of the Void can also go either way. I also wouldn't call refusing the DR ignoring logic.

[Allan Schumacher]

How familiar are you with the ASoIaF books or the show?

 

I'm familiar with the show.  I just watched the whole 3rd season a couple weeks ago.

 

Spoiler

You'll forgive me if I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the books, but in the show it really comes across as Robb betraying his word because he fell in love with another woman.  His mother conveys this very point several times in season 2, IIRC.