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[SwobyJ]

Everything. That's why Shepard needs active convincing of it.

[Obadiah]

I like the idea that through all 3 games Shepard is evolving. First he is human, then a resurrected cyborg, then...well... in Synthesis I'm not sure what he is, but he has become something else entirely.

[SwobyJ]

I like the idea that through all 3 games Shepard is evolving. First he is human, then a resurrected cyborg, then...well... in Synthesis I'm not sure what he is, but he has become something else entirely.

 

He is a legend.

 

ME1 - Soldier. Agent. As a human.

ME2 - Leader. Terrorist. As a cyborg.

ME3 - Legend. Betrayer. As an entity.

 

You can decide how much you want to be of each though.

 

-In ME1 you have no choice but to be a human soldier Spectre agent, but you decide how much you are of each. But yeah, the default story goes more towards being a soldier above everything else though.

 

-In ME2 you can continue to decide what you are from ME1, but now with the layer of embracing being tech (Renegade), or connecting with tech (Paragon). Always a cyborg. But yeah, the default story goes more towards Paragon above everything else though (Fighting for the Lost). I'd consider ME2 to be the most equal between the RP positions. In retrospect, this is where Bioware semi-forces players to 'take their stand', and that ends up as either Paragon, Renegade, or a weak grey area - establishing this Shepard as a rather black and white individual, before ME3 muddies the waters

 

-In ME3 you can continue to decide what you are from ME1-ME2, but now with the layer of being an inspiration to everyone, or a betrayer who will do whatever he needs to do for his goals. But elements of both, like in all the games, exist by default. But yeah, the default story goes more towards being an inspiration, with some temptation to be a betrayer at times. You're driven (especially as a trilogy player) to look for optimal results, even while your older goal for and from everyone (destroying the old machines) is spotlighted the most.

 

All in all, it defines who your Shepard is, by the end. That's the roleplaying that people either aren't aware of, or don't consider to be strong enough. But it's there. And I like it

[ImaginaryMatter]

Shepard being a cyborg was never relevant to the story though; he doesn't really gain anything from it. The cybernetic upgrades in ME2 didn't really get him any where that lifting weights couldn't. Heck, even in ME3 the Synthesis beam just needs 'organic energy', Shepard probably could have ran back down the elevator and grabbed TIM's or Anderson's body, maybe even a Keeper or a ready to process John Doe, to chuck in instead.

[SwobyJ]

Shepard being a cyborg was never relevant to the story though; he doesn't really gain anything from it. The cybernetic upgrades in ME2 didn't really get him any where that lifting weights couldn't. Heck, even in ME3 the Synthesis beam just needs 'organic energy', Shepard probably could have ran back down the elevator and grabbed TIM's or Anderson's body, maybe even a Keeper or a ready to process John Doe, to chuck in instead.

 

When it comes down to it, Shepard is humanity. Or Cerberus. Crap, I can't remember now.

 

Synthesis needs Shepard's specific organic energy, and it needs to be willing, not forced or replaced (indoctrinated).

 

I'm trying to be as careful as possible with my wording here.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I am not a synthesizer but I have an Oberheim.

[Antmarch456]

Synthesis seems like the best for me because it was the ending where the galaxy's technology went up a notch.

It's like solving the cons of both organic and synthetics (organics seek tech and synthetics seek understanding).

 

EDI can really Joker.

Robot babies. .___.

[Ryriena]

Synthesis seems like the best for me because it was the ending where the galaxy's technology went up a notch.
It's like solving the cons of both organic and synthetics (organics seek tech and synthetics seek understanding).

EDI can really Joker.
Robot babies. .___.

Your forcing a view on people to be the same congrats you just became a reaper..

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Synthesis seems like the best for me because it was the ending where the galaxy's technology went up a notch.

It's like solving the cons of both organic and synthetics (organics seek tech and synthetics seek understanding).

 

EDI can really Joker.

Robot babies. .___.

 

Have you put any thought into the implications of what enabling such does? 

 

More than just 'robot babies'? 

 

It's a contradiction and mockery of science. Synthesis is in itself an interesting concept, but one that narratively feels divorced from Mass Effect along with the ending proper; to be more concise, you're solving a problem that has technically been resolved from a thematic standpoint. The Geth/Quarian conflict was said thematic representative for it, and you resolved it a few missions ago at Rannoch. The idea that said conflict is the myth-arc for the trilogy is redundant and shows BW didn't have any idea's on where to go or what to do about the Reapers, which is to be expected when you come out and talk about and massively hype said trilogy about how big and great the universe is and how much your choices matter and how you can define your own character in any way you see fit, instead of actually planning said trilogy from the beginning, and actually focusing on the harder work instead of talking so big that they can't put their money where their mouth is.

 

And then I got some other gems. I'll post them if you like.

 

You're new. I'm giving you a trial by fire for this.

[KaiserShep]

Robot babies...

 

I'm imagining a very disturbing image combining EDI with the reproduction scene of Batteries Not Included.

[Ryriena]

Have you put any thought into the implications of what enabling such does?

More than just 'robot babies'?

It's a contradiction and mockery of science. Synthesis is in itself an interesting concept, but one that narratively feels divorced from Mass Effect along with the ending proper; to be more concise, you're solving a problem that has technically been resolved from a thematic standpoint. The Geth/Quarian conflict was said thematic representative for it, and you resolved it a few missions ago at Rannoch. The idea that said conflict is the myth-arc for the trilogy is redundant and shows BW didn't have any idea's on where to go or what to do about the Reapers, which is to be expected when you come out and talk about and massively hype said trilogy about how big and great the universe is and how much your choices matter and how you can define your own character in any way you see fit, instead of actually planning said trilogy from the beginning, and actually focusing on the harder work instead of talking so big that they can't put their money where their mouth is.

And then I got some other gems. I'll post them if you like.

You're new. I'm giving you a trial by fire for this.

I agree, it mocks known science as no person can fundamentally change someone's DNA without repercussions. See Jack for an example, she is severing from sever gene degeneration due to the experiments done on her. It's just goes against all know science and shouldn't be in a science fiction title such as Mass Effect.

[themikefest]

Shepard being a cyborg was never relevant to the story though; he doesn't really gain anything from it. The cybernetic upgrades in ME2 didn't really get him any where that lifting weights couldn't. Heck, even in ME3 the Synthesis beam just needs 'organic energy', Shepard probably could have ran back down the elevator and grabbed TIM's or Anderson's body, maybe even a Keeper or a ready to process John Doe, to chuck in instead.

I would go back and grab both TIM and Anderson throwing both in the beam just to see what would happen. Maybe it would cause the crucible to overload and blowup or something.

[KaiserShep]

I would go back and grab both TIM and Anderson throwing both in the beam just to see what would happen. Maybe it would cause the crucible to overload and blowup or something.

 

Shepard: So, where's the elevator? I have an idea.

 

Catalyst: Oh...well...sure. It's right over there.

 

[10 minutes later]

 

Catalyst: What the Leviathan are you doing?

 

[Shepard drags Anderson's corpse to the beam and tosses it in]

 

[green explosion]

 

Catalyst: You son of a b*tch.

 

Shepard: Suck it, Casper.

[themikefest]

Shepard: So, where's the elevator? I have an idea.

 

Catalyst: Oh...well...sure. It's right over there.

 

[10 minutes later]

 

Catalyst: What the Leviathan are you doing?

 

[Shepard drags Anderson's corpse to the beam and tosses it in]

 

[green explosion]

 

Catalyst: You son of a b*tch.

 

Shepard: Suck it, Casper.

If that were to happen in the game I would pick synthesis.

[DirtyPhoenix]

When I don't pick control, I synthesize.

 

This.

 

 

Most of the people I meet or know who play Mass Effect chose Synthesis. And liked it. Some of them liked it a lot. Never heard a complaint about Synthesis (in-person). All the complaints I've ever heard are pretty much here on these boards. A constant wave of hate.

 

Also this.

 

 

Batteries Not Included.

 

Lol that does bring back memories.

[SwobyJ]

I agree, it mocks known science as no person can fundamentally change someone's DNA without repercussions. See Jack for an example, she is severing from sever gene degeneration due to the experiments done on her. It's just goes against all know science and shouldn't be in a science fiction title such as Mass Effect.

 

Jack is not suffering from gene degeneration.

 

She was supposedly suffering from neural degeneration, not gene.

 

And the scans for that were wrong. In fact, he neural state defied the understanding of the scanning machinery, and her nervous system was in fact getting stronger.

Jack is, actually, becoming improved. She's fine, and healthy, at least once you help her psychological trauma. And if she makes it through this (or even not, given her medical records existing), this may be the catalyst for huge improvements for humanity and its neural evolution, possibly even making biotics commonplace like they are with asari.

 

The question that the players is presented with, is whether it was worth the cost (Pragia facility and the deaths associated with it).

 

Some players may not even want all humans to be biotics. If it means we're more like asari, that may not be a desirable thing. Some players, even if it is a distinct minority at this point, even still see biotics as a fundamental change that humanity shouldn't go through. In our own world of 2014, there would definitely be huge populations that would be completely against people gaining something like biotics, even has there would also be still large populations that would sign up for it, even with any side effects in our neurology and genes as we try to adjust to it.

 

Jack is the result of hardcore experimentation on humanity so that there wouldn't be negative results in giving a human the strongest biotics. And it killed a bunch of people to happen.

 

Just as Synthesis (whatever it really is.. personally I view it all as inside a Reaper Matrix but whatever) is the result of hardcore experimentation on all life in the Milky Way galaxy so that there wouldn't be negative results (aka Reapers 'needing' a collective intelligence to guide them, and organics 'needing' the Reaping Cycle) in giving organics and synthetics a connection to one another without drawbacks and monstrosities. And it killed trillions+ for it to happen.

 

 

 

Keep in mind that I'm actually personally pretty disgusted by Synthesis and I haven't picked it since March 2012. My display pic is there because I'm interested in its possible implications (see my small sized text above), the otherworldlyness of how it is presented, and possible related themes in the trilogy.

[Hadeedak]

Hey, I just picked synthesis.

 

I actually kind of geared my playthrough towards having a Shepard that ending felt natural for. Oliva was a paragon on overdrive, who did get all the robot upgrades and took advantage of the Cerberus tweaks (because even if it may not matter in game, it mattered to my RP). She was trusting, hopeful, a peacemaker, and a little bit of a futurist. More of a cornball than most of my Shepards, too.

 

She was also a colony kid, then a sole survivor, She never let it break her, but tragedy and her fear of being alone always haunted her. She never was able to make sense of what happened on Mindoir, or why sentients could do those kinds of things to families. Her natural skill pushed her quickly up through the Alliance, and she took advantage of the gene therapy and basic implants available along the way. She fell for Kaidan, but rescued Ash to make sure the bomb went off. She believed the best of Cerberus in ME2, honestly thought they had turned a corner, or the gang who killed her squad was just a fluke. She did keep Grunt and Legion, though, since novelty and assests. She was fascinated by Legion and spent a lot of her recovery time after rounds of heavy bone weave plating talking with it and EDI.She also fell in love with Thane and his certainty and acceptance of the world.

 

In Mass Effect 3, she saved everybody. Except Mordin, Legion, and of course, Thane. She's my only Shepard to cry, and that works perfectly for me. By the end of Mass Effect 3, she was being broken down by the grind of politics and hopelessness, by peoples' inability to understand each other and cooperate, and by the plight of the refugees on the Citadel. She made peace between the quarians and the geth, stopped her clone, talked Leviathan into helping, saved the rachni again... And none of it was enough.

 

At the end, she was just damn tired, and ready to leave her broken body. She saw the chance to do one last good thing, to facilitate understanding and communication, something she'd tried to do her whole career, and she took it.

 

And stopped the Reapers.

[Kurt M.]

I choose Synthesis every time because I think it's simply the best of all endings if you're thinking about global benefit. It enables all the races of the Milky Way the potential to reach inmortality (if it doesn't do it instantly), and I think it'd be even the first step towards creating some form of intergalactic travelling. Because for all the existing mass relays in the galaxy, and the FTL drives, even in that futuristic universe intergalactic travel is apparently impossible. Makes you wonder how truly gigantic the Universe is...

 

Even so, I don't blame anyone for choosing Control or Destroy, after all those Reaper bastards have done, and the retarded and just plain crazy personality of the Catalyst.

[MegaSovereign]

Man this forum has changed. Don't really agree with any of y'all but it's refreshing to see less animosity towards the fiction.

[SwobyJ]

Man this forum has changed. Don't really agree with any of y'all but it's refreshing to see less animosity towards the fiction.

 

Hate tends to burn out or go away, without constant fuel. You'll still find the animosity elsewhere and if you meet players face-to-face, but it has mostly gotten tired here.

[AlexMBrennan]

I like the idea that through all 3 games Shepard is evolving. First he is human, then a resurrected cyborg, then...well... in Synthesis I'm not sure what he is, but he has become something else entirely.

Well, I guess not understanding evolution helps one to accept the "final step in evolution" bovine excrement...

[SwobyJ]

It isn't talking about natural evolution.

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

Man this forum has changed. Don't really agree with any of y'all but it's refreshing to see less animosity towards the fiction.

 

Hate tends to burn out or go away, without constant fuel. You'll still find the animosity elsewhere and if you meet players face-to-face, but it has mostly gotten tired here.

 

Synthesis is an abomination as a concept, the fact that it's even an option is one of the main reasons the ending is broken and I cannot concieve of a mind of a man who can even for a second think it's a good idea. What it is is Reaper victory. Or it would be, if it had any narrative legitimacy.

 

There.

[SwobyJ]

-I said mostly

-You've only recently returned here, so duh, you'll have to get tired of it like everyone else

-I had you specifically in mind when I considered those who still expressed hate here, so.. I guess thanks for confirming that?

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

(...) I guess thanks for confirming that?

 

You are most welcome, you indoctrinated synthesis-preaching madman