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[Jedi Master of Orion]

It pretty much was. He had no escape from a doomed village. He was as good as dead.

[Chari]

It pretty much was. He had no escape from a doomed village. He was as good as dead.

He could easily break the cage, someone could release him

I wouldn't be surprised if in the end they let him go so he defend the village, and I'm pretty sure he has nothing better to do

So it's not impossible. We didn't see him die, in fact, no one did. It was just a rumour

Sort of like Cullen in one epilogue goes on a murder rampage... but in DA2, oops, he never did

[Mistic]

It pretty much was. He had no escape from a doomed village. He was as good as dead.

 

As I said, even the epilogue leaves it as "most likely found his death". So it doesn't even state he died for sure. It's so easy to justify him surviving that I doubt it could be considered a retcon since it only contradicts some players' headcanon, not the DA:O canon itself, not even the epilogue.

 

Would it be so difficult to think he escaped by himself? The only reason he was there in the first place was because he allowed himself to be captured. Or someone might have released him, be it because of pity or because they thought that having a giant on their side for a while was a good way to survive the Blight.

[TheKomandorShepard]

As I said, even the epilogue leaves it as "most likely found his death". So it doesn't even state he died for sure. It's so easy to justify him surviving that I doubt it could be considered a retcon since it only contradicts some players' headcanon, not the DA:O canon itself, not even the epilogue.

 

Would it be so difficult to think he escaped by himself? The only reason he was there in the first place was because he allowed himself to be captured. Or someone might have released him, be it because of pity or because they thought that having a giant on their side for a while was a good way to survive the Blight.

Grand cleric was only person that had key and she didn't want free him if the warden tells her that he can help with blight.Another matter that he wanted die as his redemption he went with the warden only because the warden gave him another redemption he even thanks for that in epilogue.Third he wouldn't come back without his sword and i doubt that he would search himself as he said himself that he thinks it is impossible and didn't belive that it can be found.

[Mistic]

Grand cleric was only person that had key and she didn't want free him if the warden tells her that he can help with blight.Another matter that he wanted die as his redemption he went with the warden only because the warden gave him another redemption he even thanks for that in epilogue.Third he wouldn't come back without his sword and i doubt that he would search himself as he said himself that he thinks it is impossible and didn't belive that it can be found.

 

The cage didn't look state of the art, so I might think there are more ways to open (or just break it) than asking the Revered Mother (not the Grand Cleric). As for the second point, true, Qunari can be very stubborn, but even Qunari can change their minds. In fact, it's part of Sten's character development if he's in your party. That applies to the sword too. Darkspawn attacking can change people's priorities a lot.

 

In fact, there may be already an easter egg in DA2 about Sten, independent of the conditions of the DA:O import. In the codex The Emergent Compendium "a hornless Qunari with tightly braided hair" is mentioned with the secret message "The envoy lied honestly".

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There is no reason to think he did or even could have escaped. None of the villagers cared about him nor did they have any reason to. So they probably would not try to talk him out of staying to die. His "most likely dead" codex entry does not really give any hint that he might just have changed his mind at the last minute or tried to escape. Just because we didn't see it first hand to be sure, doesn't mean he there is the slightest implication that his fate was anything other than what it seemed. It's beyond a reasonable doubt.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The cage didn't look state of the art, so I might think there are more ways to open (or just break it) than asking the Revered Mother (not the Grand Cleric). As for the second point, true, Qunari can be very stubborn, but even Qunari can change their minds. In fact, it's part of Sten's character development if he's in your party. That applies to the sword too. Darkspawn attacking can change people's priorities a lot.

 

In fact, there may be already an easter egg in DA2 about Sten, independent of the conditions of the DA:O import. In the codex The Emergent Compendium "a hornless Qunari with tightly braided hair" is mentioned with the secret message "The envoy lied honestly".

Well maybe it didn't but cage is cage i doubt that even qunari would break out of it and that didn't want you can open the cage and tell him that he is free but not take him into your party then he will stay there. Pretty much he was certain that he want stay there and atone for what he did the warden can give him better opportunity to do that. There are 2 ways to do that open with your thief skills or talk with cleric so i guess cage was rather stable.I doubt that he would have great cd in cage rather fetched.Well pretty much that his goal was die there he was as i said sure.  

 

And to be honest i hope they will finally respect player choices and not bring back killed characters or almost certainly dead character.   

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Sten was one of my Warden's best friends, so I wouldn't like to know he died. But i fear he will be different in DAI, if ever, because his role has changed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sten was one of my Warden's best friends, so I wouldn't like to know he died. But i fear he will be different in DAI, if ever, because his role has changed.

Well in at least 1 scenario he didn't but yes he definitely was different in comics.

[Mistic]

There is no reason to think he did or even could have escaped. None of the villagers cared about him nor did they have any reason to. So they probably would not try to talk him out of staying to die. His "most likely dead" codex entry does not really give any hint that he might just have changed his mind at the last minute or tried to escape. Just because we didn't see it first hand to be sure, doesn't mean he there is the slightest implication that his fate was anything other than what it seemed. It's beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

There is only one real reason: that Bioware seems interested in using him as the Arishok. And his "comic-book death" has enough doubt (reasonable or not, we may disagree on that) to justify a saving in the last moment. Especially since Bioware has made other characters appear although we were very well informed of their deaths.

 

As I said, justifying his survival it's easy enough. So it doesn't sound very logical? Well, at least it's still in the realm of "improbable yet possible" instead of "we just had to retcon the past".

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There is only one real reason: that Bioware seems interested in using him as the Arishok. And his "comic-book death" has enough doubt (reasonable or not, we may disagree on that) to justify a saving in the last moment. Especially since Bioware has made other characters appear although we were very well informed of their deaths.

 

As I said, justifying his survival it's easy enough. So it doesn't sound very logical? Well, at least it's still in the realm of "improbable yet possible" instead of "we just had to retcon the past".

 

Based on what? Did Bioware actually say that his appearance in the comic book is always set in stone? Both the books and comics feature important aspects that are dependent on things that aren't necessarily canon in the games. Wynne is important in Asunder but she can die in Origins. So can Alistair and he's the main character in the same comic series where Sten reappears. Neither Alsitair, nor Zevran nor Wynne are always alive. Sten could be like them instead of Leliana.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The cage didn't look state of the art, so I might think there are more ways to open (or just break it) than asking the Revered Mother (not the Grand Cleric). As for the second point, true, Qunari can be very stubborn, but even Qunari can change their minds. In fact, it's part of Sten's character development if he's in your party. That applies to the sword too. Darkspawn attacking can change people's priorities a lot.

 

In fact, there may be already an easter egg in DA2 about Sten, independent of the conditions of the DA:O import. In the codex The Emergent Compendium "a hornless Qunari with tightly braided hair" is mentioned with the secret message "The envoy lied honestly".

You can even pick the lock. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It seems in retrospect, they would have preferred writing an action adventure type of game or a JRPG. Too many choices in DAO as an RPG, but later they wanted to revisit these characters. Wynne, Leliana, Sten, Alistair, Zevran, Oghren's resurrection in DAA...

Wasn't it because when they made Origins they didn't know if they would make sequels or not? I heard that somewhere.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It seems in retrospect, they would have preferred writing an action adventure type of game or a JRPG. Too many choices in DAO as an RPG, but later they wanted to revisit these characters. Wynne, Leliana, Sten, Alistair, Zevran, Oghren's resurrection in DAA...

Wynne is dead if you killed her , alistair same , sten well we don't know and zevran also should be dead if you killed him but because of bug he is alive in da 2.

[In Exile]

Wasn't it because when they made Origins they didn't know if they would make sequels or not? I heard that somewhere.

 

Yes. It was the same with basically every Bioware game of that period, including ME1. Bioware had a general idea that there could be 2+ games so the epic threat was just one reaper, but the reason why ME1 had such a satisfying ending was that they weren't sure they'd get to make an ME2. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes. It was the same with basically every Bioware game of that period, including ME1. Bioware had a general idea that there could be 2+ games so the epic threat was just one reaper, but the reason why ME1 had such a satisfying ending was that they weren't sure they'd get to make an ME2. 

Thanks for confirming.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Wynne still shows up in Asunder. I can't ignore that. 

 

 

It's just an observation though. I don't really care. I'm not particularly attached to any of my DAO playthroughs. If they want a canon, I'm fine with it.

She shows because asunder shows scenario where wynne was alive same for shale pretty much every da product outside games and unless it is set before games show setting that certain choices were made like circle saved or marjolaine so those products shows what happened if certain decisions have been made. However if you import game follow your canon so for example if you killed wynne she is dead.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If she shows up in a outside format like a book, then she's alive to me no matter what. It overrides everything to me.

 

Maybe you have a way to mentally work around all of this, but I don't. I simply give up and give in to Word of God.

 

Plus, I don't have the time to re-imagine Asunder playing out in some way where Wynne isn't there, and the details are slightly differnet. And I don't have the right change his novel, nor do I know how to do it well anyways.

 

Well devs already said that book canon doesn't mean player canon for example in books hakwe could side with mages but in your game he didn't had to and you can import that choice.

If you killed her in dao she is dead in daa.

Well if you don't want own scenario you can change that on fitting to asunder but as i said in your "universe" in time of asunder is dead (if you killed her) same for any other character that returned save for leliana that is always alive despite choices.

[In Exile]

Wynne still shows up in Asunder. I can't ignore that. In order to enjoy that book, I have to throw away my playthroughs. Or in order to enjoy my playthroughs, I have to throw away the book. Can't have both.

 

 

It's just an observation though. I don't really care. I'm not particularly attached to any of my DAO playthroughs. If they want a canon, I'm fine with it.

 

The books have their own cannon, though. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

We don't actually see Sten die in DA:O, which means that the devs can do WHATEVER they goddamn well please with him. If you left him, in hopes that he would die and it later shows that he didn't, well tough ****** luck. Move on.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We don't actually see Sten die in DA:O, which means that the devs can do WHATEVER they goddamn well please with him. If you left him, in hopes that he would die and it later shows that he didn't, well tough ****** luck. Move on.

 

The devs already do whatever they want with whoever they want for whatever reason they want at any time they want. We don't have any information about how integral Sten is to the future of the franchise, so in the absence of that, I'm saying it would be better if he stayed dead.

[TheKomandorShepard]

We don't actually see Sten die in DA:O, which means that the devs can do WHATEVER they goddamn well please with him. If you left him, in hopes that he would die and it later shows that he didn't, well tough ****** luck. Move on.

Well of course "devs can do whatever they doddamn well please with him" even if they killed him as they proved with other characters now if they will keep doing that their story will be worse and less credible by doing that ignoring player choice totally all they will gain is loss of their customers.