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[EmperorSahlertz]

 

The devs do whatever they want with whoever they want for whatever reason at any time they want. We don't have any information about how integral Sten is to the future of the franchise, so in the absence of that, I'm saying it would be better if he stayed dead.

Implying he was dead at all to begin with. Which we do not know, since we never saw his death.

 

Well of course "devs can do whatever they doddamn well please with him" even if they killed him as they proved with other characters now if they will keep doing that their story will be worse and less credible by doing that ignoring player choice totally all they will gain is loss of their customers.

It isn't about "ignoring player choice", it is about your choice not having the effect you thought it would. You THOUGHT Sten would die if you left him to rot. Maybe he ddd, maybe he didn't. YOU DON'T KNOW. If he later shows up, despite you leaving him, then you were obviously wrong in your presumptions. Tough luck.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

 

 

Implying he was dead at all to begin with. Which we do not know, since we never saw his death.

 

It isn't about "ignoring player choice", it is about your choice not having the effect you thought it would. You THOUGHT Sten would die if you left him to rot. Maybe he ddd, maybe he didn't. YOU DON'T KNOW. If he later shows up, despite you leaving him, then you were obviously wrong in your presumptions. Tough luck.

 

 

We never saw Alistair's death either. That doesn't mean we don't know if he was executed. He was. Leaving Sten behind in trapped in a doomed village with no desire to leave is the same.

[In Exile]

Well of course "devs can do whatever they doddamn well please with him" even if they killed him as they proved with other characters now if they will keep doing that their story will be worse and less credible by doing that ignoring player choice totally all they will gain is loss of their customers.

 

Your choice was to abandon him, not kill him. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

We never saw Alistair's death either. That doesn't mean we don't know if he was executed. He was. Leaving Sten behind in trapped in a doomed village with no desire to leave is the same.

Yes, actually that is exactly what it means. Untill we witness with our own two eyes ANYHTING, then we can never know for sure the truth of the matter. We can reasonably say that the chances of Alistair's survival were slim to none, but if he later shows up despite being sent to the executioner's block, then OBVIOUSLY something happened along the way, which meant he escaped his execution.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

 

Implying he was dead at all to begin with. Which we do not know, since we never saw his death.

 

It isn't about "ignoring player choice", it is about your choice not having the effect you thought it would. You THOUGHT Sten would die if you left him to rot. Maybe he ddd, maybe he didn't. YOU DON'T KNOW. If he later shows up, despite you leaving him, then you were obviously wrong in your presumptions. Tough luck.

 

Which in fact is ignoring player choice just not making any difference in fact when chance that character with very high chance being dead is alive sure it can pass few times but do that many times story becomes less and less credible. Already many didn't liked that leliana was alive same for oghren when we killed them or anders when he should be dead. In fact they ignored player choices like anders always is grey warden or always meets justice. Im just saying if they will keep doing that they will start lose old customers.

 

 

Your choice was to abandon him, not kill him. 

So if my choice will be abandon someone on deep roads surrounded by thousands darkspawn it makes sense to bring him back and it is fair?

It is about choice and sense of it i didn't chose to kill leliana i chose to destroy ashes but still i killed her same and it was ignored by cheap move.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yes, actually that is exactly what it means. Untill we witness with our own two eyes ANYHTING, then we can never know for sure the truth of the matter. We can reasonably say that the chances of Alistair's survival were slim to none, but if he later shows up despite being sent to the executioner's block, then OBVIOUSLY something happened along the way, which meant he escaped his execution.

 

Not everything requires a cut-scene or our player characters to personally witness it to be reasonably sure about it. Especially since even people we did see with our own eyes get killed can come back just as easily. Whether the PC saw someone personally stabbed to death or leaves them in a doomed predicament, It's the same principle when it comes to the player's influence.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Not everything requires a cut-scene or our player characters to personally witness it to be reasonably sure about it. Especially since even people we did see with our own eyes get killed can come back just as easily. Whether the PC saw someone personally stabbed to death or leaves them in a doomed predicament, It's the same principle when it comes to the player's influence.

You may ASSUME that the person died. You cannot be sure, nor can you claim that the character is dead, unless you witness that character's death (or you get eye-witnesses who say the same).

 

Bottom line: You chose to abbandon Sten, you did NOT kill him. You PRESUME that he will die.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You may ASSUME that the person died. You cannot be sure, nor can you claim that the character is dead, unless you witness that character's death (or you get eye-witnesses who say the same).

 

Bottom line: You chose to abbandon Sten, you did NOT kill him. You PRESUME that he will die.

Pretty much you can "kill" character on-screen and they can still be alive like leliana or oghren in fact as you said devs can do what they want even put bucks bunny as character now question is if they should... that wouldn't be good for story as well as ignoring what our choice that was leaving sten on practically certain death.Sure it is fiction you can pull that off but if you want keep story credible you shouldn't do that too often...

[EmperorSahlertz]

And it is entirely credible that Sten survived.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And it is entirely credible that Sten survived.

yeah right ... like nuclear bomb exploding on your face then repeat with 20 other character

[EmperorSahlertz]

yeah right ... like nuclear bomb exploding on your face then repeat with 20 other character

Nope. More like he was stuck in a rusty iron cage, and could bite his way out of there if he wanted to.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nope. More like he was stuck in a rusty iron cage, and could bite his way out of there if he wanted to.

yep if he wanted to....

[Chari]

So, let's be honest - Sten could have survived. Whether you like it or not. It wouldn't be even a retcon.
Does it mean bioware will decide to keep him either way? Well, we shall see

[Mistic]

You may ASSUME that the person died. You cannot be sure, nor can you claim that the character is dead, unless you witness that character's death (or you get eye-witnesses who say the same).

 

Bottom line: You chose to abbandon Sten, you did NOT kill him. You PRESUME that he will die.

 

Agreed. It's like when the hero survives the villain's trap despite the odds. That's why The Evil Overlord List (or should we call it "The Jerkass Warden List"?) includes this:

 

"All slain enemies will be cremated, or at least have several rounds of ammunition emptied into them, not left for dead at the bottom of the cliff. The announcement of their deaths, as well as any accompanying celebration, will be deferred until after the aforementioned disposal."

 

However, I have to concede the point that Sten appearing in the comics doesn't mean he has to survive. Wynne is very dead in several playthroughs and was still pivotal in Asunder. However, I think that we are facing a Leliana scenario here.

[Xetykins]

Morrigan could have magicked the lock while you're not looking :-)

[EmperorSahlertz]

Agreed. It's like when the hero survives the villain's trap despite the odds. That's why The Evil Overlord List (or should we call it "The Jerkass Warden List"?) includes this:

 

"All slain enemies will be cremated, or at least have several rounds of ammunition emptied into them, not left for dead at the bottom of the cliff. The announcement of their deaths, as well as any accompanying celebration, will be deferred until after the aforementioned disposal."

 

However, I have to concede the point that Sten appearing in the comics doesn't mean he has to survive. Wynne is very dead in several playthroughs and was still pivotal in Asunder. However, I think that we are facing a Leliana scenario here.

Wynne is different from Sten though because in all scenarios where she dies, WE are the ones who kill her.

[Little Princess Peach]

Yes bring back sten besides maybe he can explain what Kaadan means :/

[EmperorSahlertz]

Yes bring back sten besides maybe he can explain what Kaadan means :/

Kadan literally means "where the heart lies". It is usually used to refer to friends and loved ones, but also sometimes to literally mean the center of the chest.

[Xetykins]

Kadan literally means "where the heart lies". It is usually used to refer to friends and loved ones, but also sometimes to literally mean the center of the chest.

Thank you. Ive always wondered too!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Wynne is different from Sten though because in all scenarios where she dies, WE are the ones who kill her.

 

So? People can be killed by things other than the PC. Alistair isn't killed by the Warden personally and he isn't always alive and King either.

[Former_Fiend]

Why not? His duty was to bring back information about the Blight. As long as he managed to recover his sword by his own means, he could have got back home to complete his mission. According to some of the epilogues, it was enough to make him a general.

 

“Sten returned to his homeland, leaving without a word. Upon reporting to the arishok of his observations of humanity, Sten was elevated to the rank of general and placed in charge of forces in Seheron fighting against human insurgents. This pleased Sten greatly.”

 

We just have to assume that he did very well in Seheron and thus became the prime candidate for the Arishok position.

 

The sword itself wasn't hard to find either. Just ask questions and questions until you get it from Dwyn.

 

 

Exactly. Even the Origins Epilogue when you leave him behind casts a doubt over his death.

 

I don't see Sten as being capable of recovering his sword by his own means. He's a very intelligent man, but he's not particularly good at talking to people. He also didn't seem to have the will to do it; he seemed resigned to the idea of the sword being lost. 

 

And I doubt any answer he gave would have been sufficient enough to impress if he wasn't part of the group that helped bring down the blight. 

 

As it stands; if Bioware wants to say Sten died in Lothering if we didn't free him, I'd be fine with it, since it's perfectly plausible. If they want to say he escaped, I'd be fine with that, too, since it's also plausible. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

So? People can be killed by things other than the PC. Alistair isn't killed by the Warden personally and he isn't always alive and King either.

Again, if you do not SEE the person die, then you cannot KNOW that the person is really dead. You can ASSUME that it is so, but unless you actually witness the death, it will always only be an assumption.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

He doesn't return if he was executed. And obviously he can't have the same role in the comics.