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Why did they remove all the moral lessons from the cartoons?


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#51
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The thing I learned from Wilye Coyote is don't stand under falling 2000 lb anvils.  It has served me well so far.

 

There was also a lesson about the basic unfairness of life. Wile E. was not just a genius at large with a brilliant scientific and technical mind and a master of all trades; he was also one hard-working coyote . Yet every-time, despite all his thought and efforts, he would be bested by a freaking bird who never actually flew and spent its entire life doing nothing but zipping around on highways and making that annoying "beep -beep" call.

 

Also never make a painting of a train track on a wall or rock, an actual train will emerge from that painting and inevitably it will crush you...and all your dreams will amount to nothing.


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Not to mention when Wile E. lost against Bugs Bunny. The lesson there was Don't flaunt your intelligence to other people that are your intellectual equal. And always bring around fold away doors in the event your adversary has no doors.

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Not to mention when Wile E. lost against Bugs Bunny. The lesson there was Don't flaunt your intelligence to other people that are your intellectual equal. And always bring around fold away doors in the event your adversary has no doors.

 

If that's a moral lesson, I teach you some too...

 

- Don't eat something while shaving

- Run to the Taxi before others can reach it

- Never go to Africa and touch Lions tails

 

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#54
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Kaiser, don't be a jerk.

Besides, the more important lesson was the Fold-away door.

They're handier than you think.



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Want to learn some morals?

 

Watch Sesame Street.



#56
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Kaiser, don't be a jerk.

Not happening

What you talking about? I live in that free country under the stars and stripes.

Look who I quoted, then reevaluate your life here.



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And a moral lesson for 2:00 AM:

 

Don't compare the situation of USA with countries that don't even have the number of population of... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran.

 

For a useful comparison USA should be compared with Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan and Nigeria. Oh wait... USA isn't that bad.



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Plenty of valuable lessons to be learned from the right cartoons!  ^_^

 

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#59
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Plenty of valuable lesson to be learned from the right cartoons!  ^_^

 

 

 

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This is the greatest advice ever spoken on TV.



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TheRealJayDee, on 29 Apr 2014 - 5:36 PM, said:

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Did that since the day I was born.



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So Beerfish made a comment about the old Roadrunner cartoons and I wrote what I thought was a funny riff on it. Some people misunderstood? I don't know. 

 

What I managed to do was obscure a key point that Beerfish seemed to be making. That is most of the classic cartoons never had much in the way of moral messaging. Most of the old Warner Bros. and the classic Tom & Jerry cartoons were geared towards a mixed audience of children and adults. Chaotic humour  cartoonish-exagerated violence with no real consequences. Situational humour with no intended moral message. I lapped it up when I was a kid.

 

Long story short: cartoons have probably evolved to reach specific age-groups. Stuff geared towards the younger crowd probably still has more in the way of story-telling with moral lessons. You'll probably see less and less of that when the cartoon is targeted to older audiences. Telling teenagers and twenty somethings that they might need a moral compass is a project doomed to failure these days.for whatever reason -- which may be the underlying issue which is troubling the OP.



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^Nah Degrassi still exists so it's not that.

 

But there is a difference between old Looney Tunes shorts (which were made in the 50s and 60s to be shown before a film in theaters), and what the OP is talking about.

80s and 90s cartoons that taught lessons because apparently parents can't be trusted to do that to kids. I brought up the Sonic Says segments before. Which alot of shows had at the end of each episode to toss in a message. GI Joe being famous for this. (The Pedo is voiced by Frank Welker and therefore sounds like Fred from Scooby Doo...that's weird)

But they're rather pointless. Which is why Transformers only did a few of them. (Though the one I posted does remind me how freakishly small G1 Bumblebee is for a Cybertronian)



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I wouldn't want a blue hedgehog-thing teaching kids right from wrong.



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I wouldn't want a blue hedgehog-thing teaching kids right from wrong.

Especially one voiced by Urkel.



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OP clearly does not watch anime.

 

No I don't. Not interested in watching a bunch of cartoons yelling each others name for 20 minutes, have a 10 minute flashback before they actually do something.

 

Don't see why you mention Boondocks either, the original post is about cartoons for children.



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OP clearly doesn't understand anime is a medium, not a genre where things can be generalized.

Personally, I don't see some overarching theme shared by Squid Girl and Gurren Lagann, but that's just me.

Squid Girl is actually an anime produced for children that does a good job of giving a moral without spelling it out in the last minute.

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OP clearly doesn't understand anime is a medium, not a genre where things can be generalized.

Personally, I don't see some overarching theme shared by Squid Girl and Gurren Lagann, but that's just me.

Squid Girl is actually an anime produced for children that does a good job of giving a moral without spelling it out in the last minute.

Well to be fair, Gurren Lagann biggest theme is doing the imposable and never giving up no matter what. While true this theme has been done before alot, Gurren did it with style.

 

Also fighting spirit.



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No I don't. Not interested in watching a bunch of cartoons yelling each others name for 20 minutes, have a 10 minute flashback before they actually do something.

Dat generalization. 



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Dat generalization.

generalization is okay to do with Chinese propaganda.

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No I don't. Not interested in watching a bunch of cartoons yelling each others name for 20 minutes, have a 10 minute flashback before they actually do something.

 

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Seriously, dude, that's a bit like saying you don't like movies, while basing that stance solely on the Transformers franchise.  :rolleyes:



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I discussed this a bit in a different thread talking about pretty much the same thing, but more in regards to the larger differences between Western & Japanese animation, so I'm gonna probably copy-paste bits of it. In that respect, the western audience thought up the term "anime" as a way of categorize it due to how different it approaches its narrative, through the use of different techniques, like less implementation of musical orchestra, and larger emphasis on natural audio visuals, also partly due to the obvious cultural references -- which is why "as far I can gather" explains how most anime fans don't appreciate dubs as it usually involves not just 'translation' in dialogue but also in the underlying subjects being discussed to something a westerner would comprehend. I'd bring up the stuff I talked about from the previous thread, regarding to an article from a well-informed nerd in my country (analysis between western & eastern) but that would take things a bit off-topic, so I'll just say this -- I think it's wrong to ignore the anime medium, because while they are not generally geared towards children given that they are at best; Uncompromising, bold & violent, but in a similar fashion to Miyazaki, while they don't always have credible characters, they do employ colorful worlds drowned in social and or future realism, discussing humanist philosophy like Bebop's exploration of human ties and how we relate to ourselves and others, how the past always affects you in some way and piles up as an invincible bag forever tied to your shoulders. "You're gonna carry that weight".

 

Going back to moral lessons in animation in general -- I think it's safe to say there are plenty of things to be gained from modern animation, especially in some of Pixar's flicks like Toy Story or Finding Nemo, whereas it doesn't necessarily have to retort to flat-out tell you "What you've just learned and why doing this and that is a bad thing". It's all drenched in subtlety behind the surface, partly because children of the 90's are different from children of the 21st century. Cartoons in general have split into sub-groups now.

It is true, however, that hand-drawn cartoons tends to remain quite conservative and playing chaotic violence for laughs.

Although, I'd argue that even among these flicks, there are the occasional worthwhile ones to fine --like say Ed, Edd & Eddy. One of the major premises of that cartoon has always been the alpha-male leader, Eddy, manipulating the other Eds to follow through with his suspect plans of scamming the other kids for money. At the end of the show, it is revealed that his brother was a source of abuse that molded Eddy into the person he pretends to be -- Inside he's actually a vulnerable kid, desperately looking for the acceptance of others. It's a fascinating twist even though considering that there's always been hints that Eddy's disposition towards everyone around him most have come from somewhere.

 

Batman: The Animated Series, while not being neccesarily new, it did however bring with it a lot of complexity to its character roster -- In villains like Mr. Freeze for instance it brought tragedy and sympathy to even the criminals, which functions as a moral lesson of how 'Good & Evil' is a flawed concept because everyone has a different moral compass that varies from society to society. He committs crimes because he sees as the only way for him to gain the resources needed to save his wife from a terrible disease, no one else are there to help him. And it's not a tragedy in which Batman simply can solve for him in the end, because like in the world, sometimes life will just **** on you and things don't always work out in the end. 

 

The Last Airbender showcased that sometimes the heroes won't always win, and the characters whom we perceive as the bad guy (Zuko & his Uncle) might not be as 'evil' as we thought -- It takes a bold approach of shifting its focus between 'the supposed good guys' and the 'supposed bad guys' and thus drawing the conclusion that in the end. They are all human with their own desires and goals to reach. Instead of campy feel-good environmentalism, Avatar employs the traditional tropes 'hero having to save the day' artfully, mixing a mysticism inspired by Eastern spirituality with the fluid fight choreography of Asian wire-fu cinema. The resulting dynamic allows for gripping action sequences, while telling meaningful stories in a fantasy world that stays grounded in its own logic. The so-called obligatory parts of Bananas in Pajamas or what have you  “And the moral of the story is…” moments are occasionally present, but tied in to the characters’ ongoing development in a way that feels earned rather than forced. The traditional slapstick gags, done with Hanna Barbera-inspired sound effects, are played for more than simple giggles, but more on the ground of deriving the attention away from the overly dramatic a bit -- bringing a character back down to earth when they become too serious or self-centered.

 

It's a bold move, I'd say, but while I was discussing the different things eastern animators do from the westerners in the other thread, I also pinpointed things I believe western animation can learn from Japanese animation or at the very least, I believe a western audience can take a lot of things with from anime. The term "foreign film" have basically become a misnomer for 'International films', because we've opened up to the thousand of stories out there and moved away from old prejudices that prevented us from seeing how different cultures perceive the world through storytelling -- I like to think Avatar is closer to that reality, and Batman The Animated Series had something going for it too. 


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You are helping keep that Communist propaganda filth out of this glorious country

 

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Ben Affleck would be ashamed.... In America.


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I think it's wrong to ignore the anime medium, because while they are not generally geared towards children given that they are at best; Uncompromising, bold & violent, but in a similar fashion to Miyazaki, while they don't always have credible characters, they do employ colorful worlds drowned in social and or future realism.

Definitely. Going by one of your earlier examples of Legend of Korra(even if it's American Produced), the design has a similar thematic style which can work well for both children, adults, and everywhere in between.

The traditional slapstick gags, done with Hanna Barbera-inspired sound effects, are played for more than simple giggles, but more on the ground of deriving the attention away from the overly dramatic a bit -- bringing a character back down to earth when they become too serious or self-centered.

Aye - it's there, if at least for some level of comedic relief :P At least with airbender and LoK, I'd say they found the appropriate spots to throw that in. Batman: TAS did this a wee bit, too. Headed by the same people who did animaniacs, after all XD *Cough*
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The Moral Lessons are one of the main reasons Bravestarr stuck with me so long.  In there Anti-drug episode they actually had a kid die from a drug overdose, they show the grief of the mother, the guilt of his best friend for not telling someone sooner, and the moral lesson segment was done in the cemetery by the kids grave where Bravestarr even lays a wreath after the lesson of the day.


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