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POINT THE FIRST: Chantry sisters are in no way living under a dictatorship. You seem to have confused them with the real victims, ie, mages.
STOP comparing Mages to real victims of oppressive dictatorship.
And besides 'Stacey' might not be pure and holy but does she deserve to die?, think before you answer that.
Oh god. If I laugh any harder I'll throw up.
POINT THE FIRST: Chantry sisters are in no way living under a dictatorship. You seem to have confused them with the real victims, ie, mages.
POINT THE SECOND: People can't help being born into fascist countries, and they rarely, if ever, have the power to leave by legitimate means. By contrast, becoming a member of the Chantry's clergy is totally optional and you can quit whenever you damn well please. Sebastian quits and re-enters the order multiple times.
POINT THE THIRD: Not only do Chantry sisters not suffer. They explicitly benefit from being members of the Chantry. By rising through its ranks, they can obtain power that would otherwise be unavailable to them in any other faction. There is literally no other organisation in all of Thedas that works this way for anybody.
So, your hypothetical Sister Stacey can go suck a hypothetical lemon.
You intentionally forgot that Gregoir called is also a gift. Magic is a double-edged sword: it has both advantages and disadvantages.
How would you call the fact that mages are all their lives under the threat of demons, who can torment them in their sleep (up to the point, in extreme cases, where they can't event sleep)? A walk in the beach?
Greagoir has a vested interest in portraying magic as empowering for those who possess it. His job security relies on people being afraid of magic and mages.
Keili, by contrast, is clearly mentally unstable, and incapable of wording her statements carefully to paint herself in the most sympathetic light. Either that, or she's a really fantastic actor.
STOP comparing Mages to real victims of oppressive dictatorship.
And besides 'Stacey' might not be pure and holy but does she deserve to die?, think before you answer that.
Um, no, I damn well won't. It's a perfectly valid comparison. And I wasn't the one who made it anyway. That was a poster on your side of the fence.
I've had several years to think about it, and I don't give a crap what happens to chantry supporters.
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Keili might be unstable, but I have to wonder if any of her behavior is grounded in actual experiences that discomfort her. I don't buy that she'd be that unhinged simply because of outside teachings.
Or maybe I could buy it, but it's kind of too simple. It's a fact that mages can experience some crazy sh*t.. she might be one of them. And hence, calls it a "curse".
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Um, no, I damn well won't. It's a perfectly valid comparison.
I've had several years to think about it, and I don't give a crap what happens to chantry supporters.
I don't give a crap either.
But mostly, because it's a video game.
Greagoir has a vested interest in portraying magic as empowering for those who possess it. His job security relies on people being afraid of magic and mages.
Keili, by contrast, is clearly mentally unstable, and incapable of wording her statements carefully to paint herself in the most sympathetic light. Either that, or she's a really fantastic actor.
Greagoir and the rest of the Chantry must of been watching this clip of how to brainwash a nation.
Thats why so many people are afraid of mages... and why some parents (Like in Jowans case) disowned their child because they have magic talents.
Look at the Amell family. Reputation ruined because they're known to produce mages. Thank you Chantry for ruining peoples lives.
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This could go in circles. Amell's get screwed. That sucks.
At the same time, Isolde protected her son and didn't want the same fate. Then a whole town gets raped by skeletons.
Basically, everything sucks. Enjoy.
I don't give a crap either.
But mostly, because it's a video game.
Lol, as if people's opinions about fiction aren't coloured by their opinions in real life.
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Lol, as if people's opinions about fiction aren't coloured by their opinions in real life.
They can be, but I play many characters. I'd hate to make it all about me. I would've stopped playing RPGs long ago if it was just about me.
This could go in circles. Amell's get screwed. That sucks.
At the same time, Isolde protected her son and didn't want the same fate. Then a whole town gets raped by skeletons.
Basically, everything sucks. Enjoy.
Skeletons don't have genitals.
Also, trivializing rape by applying the term casually to all forms of violence is not very respectful to the victims of rape, some of which surely post on this very forum.
Look at the Amell family. Reputation ruined because they're known to produce mages. Thank you Chantry for ruining peoples lives.
Ummm, not really. Leandra left to marry Malcolm. The "reputation" wasn't tarnished because of the family's ability to produce mages.
How is this relevant with what I said? Raijin said that templars and Chantry say that magic is a curse, and I mentioned that they also call it a gift.Greagoir has a vested interest in portraying magic as empowering for those who possess it. His job security relies on people being afraid of magic and mages.
Keili, by contrast, is clearly mentally unstable, and incapable of wording her statements carefully to paint herself in the most sympathetic light. Either that, or she's a really fantastic actor.
They can be, but I play many characters. I'd hate to make it all about me. I would've stopped playing RPGs long ago if it was just about me.
Oh, knock it off with your self-righteous "this is how to play a game" nonsense.
Apart from being irrelevent, it is grossly condescending.
They truly made an excellent job, considering that most mages don't share Keili's view and that the second larger fraternity is the Libertarian.Greagoir and the rest of the Chantry must of been watching this clip of how to brainwash a nation.
Thats why so many people are afraid of mages... and why some parents (Like in Jowans case) disowned their child because they have magic talents.
Look at the Amell family. Reputation ruined because they're known to produce mages. Thank you Chantry for ruining peoples lives.
Oh god. If I laugh any harder I'll throw up.
POINT THE FIRST: Chantry sisters are in no way living under a dictatorship. You seem to have confused them with the real victims, ie, mages.
POINT THE SECOND: People can't help being born into fascist countries, and they rarely, if ever, have the power to leave by legitimate means. By contrast, becoming a member of the Chantry's clergy is totally optional and you can quit whenever you damn well please. Sebastian quits and re-enters the order multiple times.
POINT THE THIRD: Not only do Chantry sisters not suffer. They explicitly benefit from being members of the Chantry. By rising through its ranks, they can obtain power that would otherwise be unavailable to them in any other faction. There is literally no other organisation in all of Thedas that works this way for anybody.
So, your hypothetical Sister Stacey can go suck a hypothetical lemon.
The moment people can stop with the emotional fallacies like this ^ the better
Ummm, not really. Leandra left to marry Malcolm. The "reputation" wasn't tarnished because of the family's ability to produce mages.
Uh yes it was. Lord Aristide Amell was in line to be the next viscount of Kirkwall until Revka gave birth to a mage child. The child (The warden) was taken to the Circle in Ferelden. Such bloodlines that is "tainted" by magical blood would be such a scandal that Marlowe Dumar was appointed as Viscount instead.
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Skeletons don't have genitals.
Also, trivializing rape by applying the term casually to all forms of violence is not very respectful to the victims of rape, some of which surely post on this very forum.
Great. I'm a child abuse victim myself. I'll be open about that form of "rape" now. Go ahead and make some offhanded comments about it, if you want. I really don't have time to get sensitive about everything.
The moment people can stop with the emotional fallacies like this ^ the better
Take it up with Hinata Hyuga, who started it by equating Chantry sisters with the citizens of dictatorships. I was only working within her parameters.
Or, you know, take it up with BioWare, who draw very transparently from themes of fascism and dictatorship in their depictino of various organisations, including the precious Chantry.
Oh, but wait, I forgot. It's only a "fallacy" when the opposition uses it. Silly me. 
Uh yes it was. Lord Aristide Amell was in line to be the next viscount of Kirkwall until Revka gave birth to a mage child. The child (The warden) was taken to the Circle in Ferelden. Such bloodlines that is "tainted" by magical blood would be such a scandal that Marlowe Dumar was appointed as Viscount instead.
****. Never mind.
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Oh, knock it off with your self-righteous "this is how to play a game" nonsense.
Apart from being irrelevent, it is grossly condescending.
It's supposed to be condescending. This thread has gotten way too serious for it's own good. I want to bring it back to something casual. What happened to fun and banter among fellow fans? Wtf.
Great. I'm a child abuse victim myself. I'll be open about that form of "rape" now. Go ahead and make some offhanded comments about it, if you want. I really don't have time to get sensitive about everything.
Being a victim of sexual abuse doesn't make it okay to be disrespectful to other victims of abuse.
Also, you still have to use the correct word to denote the correct action. That's kind of how language works. Rape is not the same as murder.
It's supposed to be condescending. This thread has gotten way too serious for it's own good. I want to bring it back to something casual. What happened to fun and banter among fellow fans? Wtf.
Lol. If you want it to be casual, why are you telling people off for playing games wrong?
Skeletons don't have genitals.
Also, trivializing rape by applying the term casually to all forms of violence is not very respectful to the victims of rape, some of which surely post on this very forum.
Get off your high horse....
He's a person who's opinion is no less valid than yours. And his money spends just as well.
I like how when someone describes imposing violence and death on character, people say "He has the right to his opinion" as if that person offered any actually criticism. It's like when people defend some white extremist's "opinion", when the extremist says we need to round up all the Muslims and gays into camps and the poor black people never got to learn how to pick cotton.
I wouldn't want to spend $100 because after the first DLC seemed to further degrade Anders into more shock value, crazy person behavior, I can only imagine Bioware would further the negative mental health abuse. Anders has served his purpose, although in the end his character lost chunks of personality for the sake of doing big, dramatic things. I'm ready for some new characters now, thank you.
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