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[The Elder King]

Elthina and Justinia aren't moderates, they have a vested interest in maintaining Chantry control.
 
The Chantry is not a neutral party, it is the responsible party. If anything, Mages and Templars should be allied against it for what it has done to both of them.

Why would the templars ally with the mages against the Chantry? The only reason they left it is because they think that the Chantry's new stance on mages is too moderate. They don't care one bit about the lyrium addiction. If the Chantry would return to their previous stance they'd return in an heartbeat (which was more of less Lambert's goal: forcing the Chantry to choose a more pro-templar Divine).

[Lord Raijin]

Indeed. They wanted to promote cooperation instead of violence, but thanks to Adrian (**** *****), we are now stuck with a big ass mess on our hands.

Adrian is a fricken hero.

[The Elder King]

This whole thing made me wonder. Since we got crusades Exalted Marches, popes Divines.
 
Are Anti-Divine's also possible in Thedas?

The Black Divine, I guess.

[Hellion Rex]

I want to be the only one.

Maleficent to rule all the filthy peasants...I approve.

[Wolfen09]

No, Justinia was willing to extend limited freedoms to the Circle of Magi, because the alternative was them slipping out from under the Chantry's thumb completely.

 

And yes, Elthina was terrible. She didn't do or suggest anything to fix the deteriorating situation, she just sat on her hands and whined about how hard it was. If she appears "moderate", it's only due to her own laziness.

 

And who says being "moderate" is automatically the right path in this situation, anyway? That's a golden mean fallacy.

 

for a guy who doesnt want or see symbolism in things, he sure is reading too much into the situation

[Hellion Rex]

Adrian is a fricken hero.

Hah. Nope. Just a lying viper that'll do whatever it takes to push her own damn agenda, even if it means betraying and framing your friends for murder.

[Mockingword]

Why would the templars ally with the mages against the Chantry? The only reason they left it is because they think that the Chantry's new stance on mages is too moderate. They don't care one bit about the lyrium addiction. If the Chantry would return to their previous stance they'd return in an heartbeat (which was more of less Lambert's goal: forcing the Chantry to choose a more pro-templar Divine).

I didn't say that they would, I said should.

 

I'm fully aware that Templars are idiots who don't care about the despicable leashing practices that the Chantry uses to control them.

[Milan92]

I see. Thanks guys!

[Osena109]

Um...https://www.youtube....h?v=tv666PtpD_M

[The Elder King]

Oh, Raijin is very pro-Adrian. This should be fun.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh, Raijin is very pro-Adrian. This should be fun.

Hopefully she'll be one of the few to go up in flames at the peace summit. Either that, or I get a chance to lob a fireball at her face.

[AresKeith]

No, Justinia was willing to extend limited freedoms to the Circle of Magi, because the alternative was them slipping out from under the Chantry's thumb completely.

 

Because she recognizes the danger that mages face everyday in their lives

 

And yes, Elthina was terrible. She didn't do or suggest anything to fix the deteriorating situation, she just sat on her hands and whined about how hard it was. If she appears "moderate", it's only due to her own laziness.

 

fair enough, though her intentions was in the right place

 

And who says being "moderate" is automatically the right path in this situation, anyway? That's a golden mean fallacy.

 

So it does seem like the right path, and it's better than some of the other fallacies going on in here 

[The Elder King]

I didn't say that they would, I said should.
 
I'm fully aware that Templars are idiots who don't care about the despicable leashing practices that the Chantry uses to control them.

The templars weren't as leashed as Alistair stated. Asunder shown it pretty clear.

[Hellion Rex]

I would add one other thing that's wrong with Anders.

 

Justice comes from the Fade. His idea of seeing things materialize is instant.. He creates by sheer will. Once he's kicked into this realm, he doesn't understand how things work. You need to nurture situations and slowly mold things into shape. It puzzles me why any "normal" mortal would want to think like Justice though. It's disastrous. You can push the world to shape as you see fit. It'll just fall apart that way. Which is what we're seeing.

Well, merging with Justice was a pretty damn dumb idea. Hell, even Merrill had much better sense than that.

[AresKeith]

The templars weren't as leashed as Alistair stated. Asunder shown it pretty clear.

 

Hell Alistair wasn't even a full Templar, so I excepted some of his info to be not that accurate

[AresKeith]

Well, merging with Justice was a pretty damn dumb idea. Hell, even Merrill had much better sense than that.

 

And that's saying something lol   

[Mockingword]

Framing your ex-boyfriend is kind of rude, but at least Adrian can make a damn decision.

 

If I was a mage, I'd rather have her leading me. Rhys is an indecisive clod who apparently has no problems hooking up with a psychotic ****** who knocked him unconscious when he was being totally co-operative, and was perfectly happy to let him starve to death in a dungeon.

 

If Rhys was Rebecca and Evagenline was Eustace, everyone would be up in arms about how creepy and abusive and Stockholm Syndrome-y their relationship is.

 

But since Dawn of the Seeker revolves around pretty much the exact same kind of relationship, I think BioWare might just have a boner for female-on-male spousal abuse.

[The Elder King]

Hopefully she'll be one of the few to go up in flames at the peace summit. Either that, or I get a chance to lob a fireball at her face.

I'd say that at this points is very possible that many mage leaders, including those shown in Asunder, might die. It depends on the conference context.

[Hellion Rex]

It's dumb to merge, yes.. but Justice himself should've never been here. I kicked him out of my DAA group, but I wish I could've killed him. Heh

I don't even think he could be even "killed" as a spirit. He'd just be banished back to the Fade.

[Wolfen09]

leashed?  the only thing leashing them is lyrium.... it was painfully obvious that the chantry in da 2 hardly leashed the templars, which in turn caused the mages to rebel, which in turn led to the chantry being blown up, which in turn led to a 3 way war where every major party involved was in one way or another partly responsible