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#576
EmperorSahlertz

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. Is blowing up the Chantry misguided. I’m going with a resounding no here. Why? Because it’s a political target symbolic of the oppression of mages run by a woman who condones said oppression. I got into the character of Elthina a bit in an earlier post. I don’t want to run on about her here, so I’ll summarize: Elthina says it’s not her job to judge Meredith’s character. This is incorrect. The templars answer to the Chantry, Elthina’s the highest ranking member of the Chantry in Kirkwall, thus it is her job to oversee her subordinates and make sure they don’t abuse their position. She even demonstrates her authority over Meredith in Act 3 when she sends her back to the Gallows and tells her to be “a good girl.” So Elthina has power, uses it, but chooses not to use it when the mages are concerned. While she doesn’t support the Tranquil Solution, she also does nothing to punish those who allowed it to happen. Her inaction translates into silent support for a regime that terrorizes its victims. Thus, she and the Chantry are a perfectly valid target for an act of war.

 

And that’s what blowing up the Chantry is: a declaration of war. Yes, it can also be seen as a terrorist act. Terrorism is defined as the use of violence or threat of violence for coercion, especially with political purposes. Yet it is also defined as a terroristic method of governing, which Meredith, the templars, and the Chantry are responsible for. So both sides here have delved into these waters. I’m not saying that makes Anders right. But neither does it make the templars or the Chantry pure victims. They most certainly are not, not when they condone the rapes, beatings, and forced-Tranquilities of countless mages. Not when they terrorize non-mages for harboring apostates. Kirkwall at the end of Act 3 is a terrorist state.

 

You’ll be hard pressed to find any act of war or violence that leads to peace and understanding, agreed. Then again, you’ll be hard pressed to find any act period that leads to peace and understanding. Civil disobedience in the 60s still sparked hundreds of riots that got thousands of people killed. The Easter Rising in Ireland was supposed to be a peaceful protest in which the Irish seized control of federal buildings and read out a declaration of Independence. It turned into a massacre that led to the imprisonment, torture, and execution of its ringleaders, which in turn lead to one of the most violent revolutions and civil wars, the effects of which are still being felt today.

It’s not easy to say Anders should have done something different, then things would have turned out better. For one thing, it’s an oversimplification of a larger issue. There’s no saying peace and understanding would have come about from a peaceful means of protest. For another, Anders had been trying for this peaceful compromise for years. Hence the manifestos and all the times he mentions speaking to the Grand Cleric. No one listens. No one did anything. So he acted instead.

So to summarize: You condone Anders' act of terrorism, because he as an illegal Apostate, who had no business interfering with Circle affairs, weren't listened to by the powers that be.

 

You know that whole "We don't negotiate with terrorist" policy that most governments use?



#577
Lord Raijin

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Looks like the Nazi card was drawn yet again by Raijin.

 

I will keep using the Nazi card for as long as people keep using the terrorist card on Anders.



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I will keep using the Nazi card for as long as people keep using the terrorist card on Anders.

 

One is accurate (Anders), the other is not 


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Hellion Rex

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One is accurate (Anders), the other is not 

One of these is not like the others lol



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I will keep using the Nazi card for as long as people keep using the terrorist card on Anders.

Gotta love uberfanboys, they will go to any length to defend their digital set of pixels. 



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Lord Raijin

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So to summarize: You condone Anders' act of terrorism, because he as an illegal Apostate, who had no business interfering with Circle affairs, weren't listened to by the powers that be.

 

You know that whole "We don't negotiate with terrorist" policy that most governments use?

 

The whole "We don't negotiate with terrorist" policy only work in the real world, and not in some fictional game where the word hasn't been used once.



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Gotta love uberfanboys, they will go to any length to defend their digital set of pixels. 

 

Just like some others go lengths hating the same set of pixels.


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#583
Divine Justinia V

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I will keep using the Nazi card for as long as people keep using the terrorist card on Anders.

 

pls don't


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#584
AresKeith

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The whole "We don't negotiate with terrorist" policy only work in the real world, and not in some fictional game where the word hasn't been used once.

 

Just because the word hasn't be used doesn't mean the concept doesn't exist



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Hellion Rex

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I will keep using the Nazi card for as long as people keep using the terrorist card on Anders.

Well, let's not use the Nazi card, considering the Chantry and Templars are not systematically wiping out an entire race through genocide.



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Hellion Rex

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Just because the word hasn't be used doesn't mean the concept doesn't exist

Hell, they had terrorists in the ancient history of our world long before the English word "terrorist" came into being.


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Lord Raijin

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Gotta love uberfanboys, they will go to any length to defend their digital set of pixels. 

 

Same goes for those who will go to any length to hate on digital pixels, and call it a terrorist for harming other pixels.



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General TSAR

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Just like some others go lengths hating the same set of pixels.

I like reading the responses of butthurt fanboys.  :)



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Well, let's not use the Nazi card, considering the Chantry and Templars are not systematically wiping out an entire race through genocide.

Some Dalish and especially mage fans think they are though.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I will keep using the Nazi card for as long as people keep using the terrorist card on Anders.

Terrorism is just a style of warfare, and terrorists are people who employ that style. 

 

Hell, they had terrorists in the ancient history of our world long before the English word "terrorist" came into being.

Alexander the Great was subjected to such things when he attacked Persia.


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Hellion Rex

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Some Dalish and especially mage fans think they are though.

I'M a mage fan, and I still find that assertion to be horsesh*t.

 

I'd love for someone to give me examples of systematic killing of mages just because they are mages.



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Terrorism is just a style of warfare, and terrorists are people who employ that style. 

 

Alexander the Great was subjected to such things when he attacked Persia.

 

Terrorism is just a style of warfare, and terrorists are people who employ that style. 

Please tell me you aren't defending the weasel Hinata. :P



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Hanako Ikezawa

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Well, let's not use the Nazi card, considering the Chantry and Templars are not systematically wiping out an entire race through genocide.

No group has, unless you count Darkspawn.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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Please tell me you aren't defending the weasel Hinata. :P

If by weasel, you mean Anders, then heavens no. I'm just describing that the term terrorist is accurate for Anders since he employed terror tactics.


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I'M a mage fan, and I still find that assertion to be horsesh*t.

 

I'd love for someone to give me examples of systematic killing of mages.

I wasn't talking bout me luv. :P



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Divine Justinia V

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Same goes for those who will go to any length to hate on digital pixels, and call it a terrorist for harming other pixels.

 

holocaust references are very insulting and it's inconsiderate

I'm an Anders fangirl just as much as the next one but he literally blew up a bunch of innocent people. What he did was solely on him.

 

do I think Elthina could have done more on her part? Absolutely. I think she was a bit of an idiot tbh, but that doesn't take away from him being just as over-emotional as Meredith and making a terrible decision.


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#597
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I wasn't talking bout me luv. :P

Oh, I know. I was just responding in general, not directly at you.



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holocaust references are very insulting and it's inconsiderate

Yeah, he compared the circles to extermination camps previously.



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Yeah, he compared the circles to extermination camps previously.


That's what happens when you let the feels cloud common sense.

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and here i thought some people might finally get it . at least a tiny bit . it seems some characters are just too deep to comprehend ... i hope others will understand the meaning of what i said up there . its not difficult , try to think about it two minutes after you seriously read it, and then respond with whatever you want .(in the end am not trying to push anything into anyone)  cause till now nothing is an accurate reply . only butthurt fanboy msgs , well whaterver help you sleep at night mates . as i said again, some characters are so powerfuly deep written ,people get lost on their surface .