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[The Elder King]

I honestly doubt Anders will have a big role in DAI. The game isn't about the mage-templar war. There'll be a plot about mages and templars, but I don't see why he'd be relevant. He likely went into hiding. He's not one of the mages' leaders, and from Asunder I doubt those mages would make him such.

[Cobra's_back]

I meant that it goes beyond wanting just to be equal and that the way you said Anders was only fighting for "equal rights" makes it sound much less intense than the whole thing actually is. It's wanting to free yourself physically from a society that imprisons you. I can see where some people want to do more than just petition for keeping children, etc in a painfully slow process and want to full on fight for their freedom. As a player, if mage freedom could be won peacefully but quickly and your PC could have some involvement, I would have done it but that's clearly not how it was ever going to go down in this game.

 

I'm all for Mage rights. I think Rhy is the better leader. He takes it on one step at a time. Equal rights would included free access to property as well. It would mean that you want all the same rights given to non-mages. A revolution is typically used when you want to overthrow the government. 

[RynJ]

I honestly doubt Anders will have a big role in DAI. The game isn't about the mage-templar war. There'll be a plot about mages and templars, but I don't see why he'd be relevant. He likely went into hiding. He's not one of the mages' leaders, and from Asunder I doubt those mages would make him such.

 

A big role, definitely not. But he could feasibly make an appearance at some point. At least I hope he does, like I hope many of DA2's characters do. I also hope they're not just thrown in for the sake of having them appear, though. It'd be nice if they were relevant to something if they showed up.

[Former_Fiend]

I honestly doubt Anders will have a big role in DAI. The game isn't about the mage-templar war. There'll be a plot about mages and templars, but I don't see why he'd be relevant. He likely went into hiding. He's not one of the mages' leaders, and from Asunder I doubt those mages would make him such.

 

This is definitely a good point; if Asunder is anything to go by, as far as the mages are concerned, Anders was just one mad man who lit a fuse.

[HiroVoid]

I honestly doubt Anders will have a big role in DAI. The game isn't about the mage-templar war. There'll be a plot about mages and templars, but I don't see why he'd be relevant. He likely went into hiding. He's not one of the mages' leaders, and from Asunder I doubt those mages would make him such.

It's actually pretty funny thinking back to about more than a year ago when people thought the mage-templar war was going to be the main plot of DA:I.

[RynJ]

I'm all for Mage rights. I think Rhy is the better leader. He takes it on one step at a time. Equal rights would included free access to property as well. It would mean that you want all the same rights given to non-mages. A revolution is typically used when you want to overthrow the government. 

 

Oh psssh I think Anders would make a terrible leader. Then again, I don't think he ever thought he'd make a good leader either. He didn't plan on sticking around long enough to lead anyone.

[HiroVoid]

Oh psssh I think Anders would make a terrible leader. Then again, I don't think he ever thought he'd make a good leader either. He didn't plan on sticking around long enough to lead anyone.

Yeah.  This is probably why he nominates Hawke as a leader since he's aware enough to know he'd suck at it.  Plus, with Justice along, he'd be an unreliable leader anyway.

[Nohvarr]

Oh psssh I think Anders would make a terrible leader. Then again, I don't think he ever thought he'd make a good leader either. He didn't plan on sticking around long enough to lead anyone.

 

That's Anders, set off an explosion, kill the Grand Cleric, give Meredith an excuse to slay the entire circle and then die before he has to see the pain and suffering his actions have caused. The only way I could ever let him live past DA 2 was if I knew in DA: I I could stick him in a hole and feed him reports about all the mages, and innocent people that are dead because of him.

 

 

 

Anders: Kill me!

 

Qunari Inquisitor: No, you live with it.

[The Elder King]

A big role, definitely not. But he could feasibly make an appearance at some point. At least I hope he does, like I hope many of DA2's characters do. I also hope they're not just thrown in for the sake of having them appear, though. It'd be nice if they were relevant to something if they showed up.

I think an appearance could happen.
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This is definitely a good point; if Asunder is anything to go by, as far as the mages are concerned, Anders was just one mad man who lit a fuse.

Indeed.

It's actually pretty funny thinking back to about more than a year ago when people thought the mage-templar war was going to be the main plot of DA:I.

Yup . It'll be a main plot, but on the same level as others.

[Cobra's_back]

Oh psssh I think Anders would make a terrible leader. Then again, I don't think he ever thought he'd make a good leader either. He didn't plan on sticking around long enough to lead anyone.

 

I agree with you 100%.

[lane]

i found this quote , and i thought it will interest all those who couldn't take the change between his personality in awkening and 2 .. i say try to read it ,and think about it. you might finally get it . for me , i still think Anders's character was too deep and more darker than people thought through the game ..I still get the feelings many things about him were left unspoken ~ [...]

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Here’s the thing: most of Anders’ character development occurs on-screen. The only thing that happens off-screen is the merger with Justice. But even in Awakening, Anders was bothered by the treatment of mages (see also: his multiple escape attempts and the lengths he went to eliminate his phylactery and any ties to the Circle). Justice was also equally appalled by said treatment, and asked Anders why he never struck back against his oppressors. So these big glaring character traits that have people up in arms were there to begin with.

What’s the difference, then? Well, Awakening Anders was still masking much of his pain with humor. That’s something DA2 Anders does, as well, particularly in the first act. Note his quips about not liking the Wardens because they made him give up his cat (rather than the truth, that they assigned a templar to guard him just like the Circle). As the years pass and the strain of seeing nothing change despite his manifesto, despite the Mage Underground, despite running the free clinic, Anders finds it a little harder to cling to that veneer.

The important thing is, there’s a difference between the Anders we see at the end of the game—hunched in defeat at the edge of his crate—and the one we meet at the beginning—still capable of cracking jokes to hide his torment. That’s character development which occurs over the course of DA2. It’s not a sudden fingersnap between games transforming him from a free-spirited prankster to a revolutionary. The carefree Anders was always an illusion.

[RynJ]

That's Anders, set off an explosion, kill the Grand Cleric, give Meredith an excuse to slay the entire circle and then die before he has to see the pain and suffering his actions have caused. The only way I could ever let him live past DA 2 was if I knew in DA: I I could stick him in a hole and feed him reports about all the mages, and innocent people that are dead because of him.

 

Eh if he really wanted to be dead, he'd have just blown himself up with the Chantry. I'm sure if he's living, Justice will think it's justice that he feels guilty about the whole thing. Freedom never comes without a price.

 

That's why I said earlier that I think he'll be miserable no matter what if you encounter him in DA:I. Even if he's in a romance with Hawke, Hawke is gone. My Inquisitor will either shake her head sadly at what he's become or give him the chance to redeem himself in some way if it's an option. I actually do like Anders, but I've liked every single companion we've had. I liked Loghain too and would have let him live if my Cousland's new husband hadn't thrown a fit about it.

[Former_Fiend]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Anders had an active death wish, but I do think a part of him wanted to be killed. He wanted to be a martyr for the cause; he didn't think he could get that by killing himself.

[RynJ]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Anders had an active death wish, but I do think a part of him wanted to be killed. He wanted to be a martyr for the cause; he didn't think he could get that by killing himself.

 

He says that when you DO kill him but I wonder how much of it is just him trying to put on a brave face more than that being his real goal. I only say this because he seems pretty relieved if you let him live. If it was his goal to be martyred, he'd probably be more upset about not dying.

[The Elder King]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Anders had an active death wish, but I do think a part of him wanted to be killed. He wanted to be a martyr for the cause; he didn't think he could get that by killing himself.

On friendship, yes. On rivarly he really wanted to die. He realized he had no control over his body.

[Nohvarr]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Anders had an active death wish, but I do think a part of him wanted to be killed. He wanted to be a martyr for the cause; he didn't think he could get that by killing himself.

 

Agreed, and if he blew himself up in an explosion there'd be no way to make his 'grand' speech to Meredith.

[RynJ]

Agreed, and if he blew himself up in an explosion there'd be no way to make his 'grand' speech to Meredith.

 

That Anders, what a drama queen. I mean really, that explosion didn't have to be nearly that flashy 

[TurretSyndrome]

That explosion had to be flashy, that's where all the game's resources went, apparently.

[RynJ]

That explosion had to be flashy, that's where all the game's resources went, apparently.

 

 

That burn's going to need ice!

[Wolfen09]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Anders had an active death wish, but I do think a part of him wanted to be killed. He wanted to be a martyr for the cause; he didn't think he could get that by killing himself.

 

he may have wanted to be a martyr, but he sure as hell screwed it up...  if he wanted to be a martyr, he should have just tried to kill meredith openly instead of killing someone who had no business being the target of his malice... then he would have been a martyr when meredith slapped his whiny ass down

[Cobra's_back]

he may have wanted to be a martyr, but he sure as hell screwed it up...  if he wanted to be a martyr, he should have just tried to kill meredith openly instead of killing someone who had no business being the target of his malice... then he would have been a martyr when meredith slapped his whiny ass down

Meredith should have been the target.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

he may have wanted to be a martyr, but he sure as hell screwed it up...  if he wanted to be a martyr, he should have just tried to kill meredith openly instead of killing someone who had no business being the target of his malice... then he would have been a martyr when meredith slapped his whiny ass down

 

Meredith should have been the target.

Yeah. I mean, he was willing to let the entire Kirkwall Circle get annulled, so why not just set the charges in the Templar's Quarters section of the Circle?

[Wolfen09]

Yeah. I mean, he was willing to let the entire Kirkwall Circle get annulled, so why not just set the charges in the Templar's Quarters section of the Circle?

 

he'd have to be pretty sneaky to get by all those templars....

 

now someone will argue he did it to make a statement, a moral victory.... yeah thats dumb because he could have essentially taken over the city with the mages if he had wiped out the templar leaders and half of their forces in that blast... and most of the mages would have lived if he had warned them properly... instead he went and blew up a church.....

[RynJ]

he may have wanted to be a martyr, but he sure as hell screwed it up...  if he wanted to be a martyr, he should have just tried to kill meredith openly instead of killing someone who had no business being the target of his malice... then he would have been a martyr when meredith slapped his whiny ass down

 

Highly debatable. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

he'd have to be pretty sneaky to get by all those templars....

 

now someone will argue he did it to make a statement, a moral victory.... yeah thats dumb because he could have essentially taken over the city with the mages if he had wiped out the templar leaders and half of their forces in that blast... and most of the mages would have lived if he had warned them properly... instead he went and blew up a church.....

He can do the same thing in the just as busy Chantry without Hawke's assistance. 

 

Agreed.