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[Dracon525]

Calling all knowledgeable peeps!!!

I've been curious over the last few days as to what the exact hierachy is in the world of Dragon Age. Like, is the King/Queen the top tier? or does the Divine hold more status? Is the Knight Commander more 'important' than the First Enchanter? Would a spirit/demon hold any power/status?

I mainly ask/wonder, as in my playthroughs I always have a 'status character', one who will only acknowledge people of importance (eg: My origins team was Wynne (senior enchanter), Alistair (Grey Warden) / Loghain (Teyrn / Famous General) and Sten (Leader of his investigate group thing))

Hopefully someone can help with this lol

[thats1evildude]

The Divine is technically the most powerful person in Thedas, given the amount of influence the Chantry has in human nations.

Kings reign over their own nations, though each country is different; the Crows call the shots in Antiva, for instance, and the throne holds little power.

First Enchanters and Knight-Commanders are roughly equal in theory, but in practice, First Enchanters must yield to the wishes of the Templars.

[Hizoku]

Calling all knowledgeable peeps!!!

I've been curious over the last few days as to what the exact hierachy is in the world of Dragon Age. Like, is the King/Queen the top tier? or does the Divine hold more status? Is the Knight Commander more 'important' than the First Enchanter? Would a spirit/demon hold any power/status?

I mainly ask/wonder, as in my playthroughs I always have a 'status character', one who will only acknowledge people of importance (eg: My origins team was Wynne (senior enchanter), Alistair (Grey Warden) / Loghain (Teyrn / Famous General) and Sten (Leader of his investigate group thing))

Hopefully someone can help with this lol

I would guess the Divine would be near the top since the religion is found throughout Thedas. Followed of course by each nation's own leaders.  As for the spirit/demon thing, I don't think spirits would have a hierarchy and as for demons, the strong rule over the weak.

[Nethalf]

Keep in mind there's a lot of nations and factions in Thedas, each of 'em has its own hierarchy-- just how it goes IRL. Who's in top, Prime Minister of France, or Japanese emperor, or Japanese Prime Minister, or an african tribe chieftan, or the Pope?

Back to the OP question-- there's no dukes and marqueses in Fereldan and there's no teyrns and arls in Orlais as well. How are you gonna compare them?

Or, for instance, there are viscounts in Orlais and there are viscounts in Kirkwall. But an Orlesian viscount serves to an Emperor while the viscount of Kirkwall is a ruler of an independent realm. Who's in top? I've no idea.

[Mister Gusty]

There is a generalized hierarchy of demons that the Circle of Magi accept, which is, from strongest to weakest-

1. Pride,
2. Desire,
3. Sloth,
4. Rage 

However it is more complicated than that as the demons don't follow the hierarchy and as demons are based off of emotions. A rage spirit who focuses on something like retribution would be stronger than a desire demon that focuses on lust and so on so that's complicated.

 

Benevolent spirits don't seem to follow a hierarchy from what I know of but there are spirits more powerful than others, from strongest to weakest it would go -

1. Hope
2. Faith 
3. Justice
4. Valor
5. Compassion

Fereldan's Nobility from most important to least would go something like -

1. King/Queen
2. Prince/Princess
3. Teyrn/Teyrna
4. Arl/Arlessa
5. Bann
6. Lord/Lady
7. Knight

Orlesian nobility -

1. Emperor/Empress
2. Prince/Princess
3. Grand Duke/Grand Duchess
4. Duke/Duchess
5. Marquis/Marquise
6. Comte/Comtess
7. Baron/Baroness
8. Lord/Lady
9. Chevalier/Dame

The Divine would be seen as roughly on par with the Empress, but that is arguable as the Divine is the head of the Chantry across Thedas excluding Tevinter and is in charge of the Templar order, the Seekers as well as all of the Cirlces of Magi(but during the events of DA:I, I can't see that meaning much).

 

Knight Commander and First Enchanter are roughly equal, but really it depends on who they are and which Circle it is, Greagoir and Irving worked well together and seemed to be equal for the most part , but with Meredith and Orsino it is quite clear who was really in charge.

 

Also Sten's "Investigate group thing," is called the Beresaad and is known as the vanguard of the Qunari people. 

[Boisterous Bob]

There is a generalized hierarchy of demons that the Circle of Magi accept, which is, from strongest to weakest-

1. Pride,
2. Desire,
3. Sloth,
4. Rage 

However it is more complicated than that as the demons don't follow the hierarchy and as demons are based off of emotions. A rage spirit who focuses on something like retribution would be stronger than a desire demon that focuses on lust and so on so that's complicated.

 

Benevolent spirits don't seem to follow a hierarchy from what I know of but there are spirits more powerful than others, from strongest to weakest it would go -

1. Hope
2. Faith 
3. Justice
4. Valor
5. Compassion

Fereldan's Nobility from most important to least would go something like -

1. King/Queen
2. Prince/Princess
3. Teyrn/Teyrna
4. Arl/Arlessa
5. Bann
6. Lord/Lady
7. Knight

Orlesian nobility -

1. Emperor/Empress
2. Prince/Princess
3. Grand Duke/Grand Duchess
4. Duke/Duchess
5. Marquis/Marquise
6. Comte/Comtess
7. Baron/Baroness
8. Lord/Lady
9. Chevalier/Dame

The Divine would be seen as roughly on par with the Empress, but that is arguable as the Divine is the head of the Chantry across Thedas excluding Tevinter and is in charge of the Templar order, the Seekers as well as all of the Cirlces of Magi(but during the events of DA:I, I can't see that meaning much).

 

Knight Commander and First Enchanter are roughly equal, but really it depends on who they are and which Circle it is, Greagoir and Irving worked well together and seemed to be equal for the most part , but with Meredith and Orsino it is quite clear who was really in charge.

 

Also Sten's "Investigate group thing," is called the Beresaad and is known as the vanguard of the Qunari people. 

Excellent and informative post!

[Divine Justinia V]

The Divine is technically the most powerful person in Thedas, given the amount of influence the Chantry has in human nations.

 

[AresKeith]

 

Not you though, the other one

[Divine Justinia V]

Not you though, the other one

 

I am the only one.

[AresKeith]

I am the only one.

 

There's 4 before you and a lot more after you

[Dracon525]

There is a generalized hierarchy of demons that the Circle of Magi accept, which is, from strongest to weakest-

1. Pride,
2. Desire,
3. Sloth,
4. Rage 

However it is more complicated than that as the demons don't follow the hierarchy and as demons are based off of emotions. A rage spirit who focuses on something like retribution would be stronger than a desire demon that focuses on lust and so on so that's complicated.

 

Benevolent spirits don't seem to follow a hierarchy from what I know of but there are spirits more powerful than others, from strongest to weakest it would go -

1. Hope
2. Faith 
3. Justice
4. Valor
5. Compassion

Fereldan's Nobility from most important to least would go something like -

1. King/Queen
2. Prince/Princess
3. Teyrn/Teyrna
4. Arl/Arlessa
5. Bann
6. Lord/Lady
7. Knight

Orlesian nobility -

1. Emperor/Empress
2. Prince/Princess
3. Grand Duke/Grand Duchess
4. Duke/Duchess
5. Marquis/Marquise
6. Comte/Comtess
7. Baron/Baroness
8. Lord/Lady
9. Chevalier/Dame

The Divine would be seen as roughly on par with the Empress, but that is arguable as the Divine is the head of the Chantry across Thedas excluding Tevinter and is in charge of the Templar order, the Seekers as well as all of the Cirlces of Magi(but during the events of DA:I, I can't see that meaning much).

 

Knight Commander and First Enchanter are roughly equal, but really it depends on who they are and which Circle it is, Greagoir and Irving worked well together and seemed to be equal for the most part , but with Meredith and Orsino it is quite clear who was really in charge.

 

Also Sten's "Investigate group thing," is called the Beresaad and is known as the vanguard of the Qunari people. 

Wow... This is pretty much exactly what I wanted lol

Do you think, if it wouldn't be a hassle, you'd be able to come up with a pyramid'style breakdown of this, lumping everything together? All goods if not lol

[Dracon525]

There is a generalized hierarchy of demons that the Circle of Magi accept, which is, from strongest to weakest-

1. Pride,
2. Desire,
3. Sloth,
4. Rage 

However it is more complicated than that as the demons don't follow the hierarchy and as demons are based off of emotions. A rage spirit who focuses on something like retribution would be stronger than a desire demon that focuses on lust and so on so that's complicated.

 

Benevolent spirits don't seem to follow a hierarchy from what I know of but there are spirits more powerful than others, from strongest to weakest it would go -

1. Hope
2. Faith 
3. Justice
4. Valor
5. Compassion

Fereldan's Nobility from most important to least would go something like -

1. King/Queen
2. Prince/Princess
3. Teyrn/Teyrna
4. Arl/Arlessa
5. Bann
6. Lord/Lady
7. Knight

Orlesian nobility -

1. Emperor/Empress
2. Prince/Princess
3. Grand Duke/Grand Duchess
4. Duke/Duchess
5. Marquis/Marquise
6. Comte/Comtess
7. Baron/Baroness
8. Lord/Lady
9. Chevalier/Dame

The Divine would be seen as roughly on par with the Empress, but that is arguable as the Divine is the head of the Chantry across Thedas excluding Tevinter and is in charge of the Templar order, the Seekers as well as all of the Cirlces of Magi(but during the events of DA:I, I can't see that meaning much).

 

Knight Commander and First Enchanter are roughly equal, but really it depends on who they are and which Circle it is, Greagoir and Irving worked well together and seemed to be equal for the most part , but with Meredith and Orsino it is quite clear who was really in charge.

 

Also Sten's "Investigate group thing," is called the Beresaad and is known as the vanguard of the Qunari people. 

Wow... This is pretty much exactly what I wanted lol

Do you think, if it wouldn't be a hassle, you'd be able to come up with a pyramid'style breakdown of this, lumping everything together? All goods if not lol

[The Qun & the Damned]

It really depends on the nation, religion, and politics, like in the Anderfels, the crown holds no power compared to the First Warden, The Imperial Divine holds power only in Tevinter, and the Qun are run by the Triumvirate, made up of the Arishok(male), Arigena(female), and Ariqun(male or female). The Free Marches are semi-independent city states but have no united rule between them and Nevarra is currently ruled by the long ruling Pentaghast/Van Markham clans

[Augustei]

Well in the Free Marches the three most powerful people are the Prince of Starkhaven (slightly more powerful than the others since Starkhaven is the wealthiest and most powerful of the Free Marches city states), The Viscount of Kirkwall in theory but really The Knight-Commander of Kirkwall holds more power than the Viscount, and The Lord Chancellor of Tantervale. Since the 3 most powerful city states are Starkhaven, Kirkwall & Tantervale.

In The Anderfels there is a power struggle between the King & The First Warden who is the National Leader of the Wardens so one of those two.

In Tevinter Its The Archon & The Black Divine, though we dont know who those people are

In Seheron & Par Vollen its the Qunari Triumvirate Lead by the Ariqun, Arigen and The Arishok (The Arishok now being Sten from Origins) Power is technically equally divided between these three.

In Nevarra its meant to be the King, however the de facto leaders are The Mage group known as the Mortalitasi, who esentially control the King as he is weak.

In Ferelden it is The King, however the King of Ferelden is required to curry favor with the nobility as power stems from the freeholders up...Also depending on your actions in Origins the Warden can become a very powerful noble indeed. For Example My Warden is the Teyrn of Gwaren, Arl of Amranthine, Prince of Ferelden and brother to the Teyrn of Highever...So if for whatever reason he should have a dispute with the crown (In this case being his wife Anora..Although the chances of my Warden doing this are extremely low =D ) He could make her life hell since he has so much control over the Ferelden Coastline and has so many lesser nobles swarn to him, On top of that he saved Ferelden from the blight as is "The Hero of Ferelden" so he would have a great deal of support from the commoners and Nobles alike =P

In Orlais it is the Empress and Divine (though tbh The Empress weilds slightly more de facto power than the Divine imo, Though thats just my opinion)

On a International scale , Millitary wise It would be the Qunari Triumvirate (They fought all of Thedas to A Standstill).. Influence wise it would be the Divine and The Empress of Orlais.

Though constructing a pyramid of this power hierachy would be pretty much Impossible on an International Scale, but could be done in a domestic one within nations.


 

[Mistic]

I think Mister Gusty already posted the most important ranks in Thedas. There are some more:

 

Chantry hierarchy:

1. Divine (head)
2. Grand Clerics (regional representatives)
3. Revered mothers (senior priests at a given chantry)
4. Mothers (priests)
5. Brothers and sisters (rank and file members; men can't be higher than this)

Grey Warden hierarchy:

1. First Warden (official head)
2. High Constable (former aerial commander, now public relations)
3. Chamberlain of the Grey (senior archivist and responsible of internal communications)
4. Warden-Commander or Commander of the Grey (regional leaders; most effective power outside the Anderfels)
5. Warden-Constable or Constable of the Grey (second in command under a Warden-Commander)
6. Senior Warden (veterans)
7. Warden (recruits that have undergone the Joining)
8. Warden-Recruit (recruits that haven't taken the Joining yet)

But if you're asking who's more important... The answer is "depending on the place".

 

Imagine you are a very important noble in Rivain or Nevarra. You're friends with everyone and people from all over the world would want to come to your party. Then the Empress of Orlais, the King of Ferelden, the Archon of Tevinter, the White Divine, the Black Divine, the First Warden and the Inquisitor appear. What would be the protocol?

 

The question about hierarchy is important. After all, we are going to become had of a new organization. I want to know where the "Eminence" style of reference will come from in the game, since "Inquisitor" is a title that haven't been used in a long time. And what will happen in the future if the Inquisition continues after the game? More people will be named "inquisitors"? Will there be a 'General Inquisitor' and lower ranks? The original Inquisition had a lot of ranks, although only the top ones had the 'inquisitor' title.

[Wolfen09]

we could say the divine has the most power, but that technically isnt true...  she cant write laws for a country, she cant make decisions for countries, she can only make decisions in the chantry....  and shes lost a lot of that power thanks to the templars and mages revolting... if anything shes like the pope, used to have power but no more... and is trying to get celene to cede power of orlais to her... but no real power left

[Mistic]

we could say the divine has the most power, but that technically isnt true...  she cant write laws for a country, she cant make decisions for countries, she can only make decisions in the chantry....  and shes lost a lot of that power thanks to the templars and mages revolting... if anything shes like the pope, used to have power but no more... and is trying to get celene to cede power of orlais to her... but no real power left

 

True, but are we talking about real power or status? Protocolary treatments, etiquette and even order of precedence is serious business in diplomacy.

What is the protocol when the Queen meets the Pope?