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[Exaltation]

In DAO we could not marry Anora/Alistair if we were Mages.
Mages cannot inherit nobility titles.
So why Mage Hawke was ignored and could even become the Viscount/ess of Kirkwall if sided with the Templars?

[Thomas Andresen]

I'm pretty certain only the human noble could marry Anora or Alistair.

The thing with mages not being able to inherit nobility titles is directly tied to the Circle, of which Hawke is not a part of. And Hawke was already a noble by act 3. Only one to hold more power was Meredith.

[ChrisRudson]

I suppose it's because he "saved" Kirkwall, and he's the Champion of the city.

Also, as far as I know, people of noble birth could only be king. Thus, the Magi Warden not being able to marry Anora.

[Suledin]

Hello, he/she got rid of the Qunari and has saved many people which means he/she could be trusted. 

[renfrees]

Because BW ran out of time.

[Sifr]

Hawke was already a noble long before they were outed as a Mage, although this status is a little iffy, since in MotA, Hawke mentions turning down the Viscount's offer to bestow upon them their inherited official title of "Lord/Lady Amell", because they'd prefer to earn the title of "Lord/Lady Hawke" on their own.

 

Since the nobles talk of the return of the "Amells" in Act 2, it's far more likely that Hawke's mother was recognised as the true nobility in the family. while Hawke was considered as what they actually were, a Fereldan refugee from Lowtown turned nouveau-riche member of Hightown society.

 

As for Mage Hawke's continuing noble status and freedom in Act 3? If you get too snippy with Meredith, she reminds you that your titles, freedom and that of Hawke's apostate friends is solely at her discretion and can be rescinded at any time. Essentially she's blackmailing you into playing ball, while simultaneously being forced to give you carte-blanche and special privileges, because the people of Kirkwall adore their Champion and would riot if she clapped them in chains.

 

(As to why a non-Mage Hawke is blackmailed, Meredith uses the threat of the Templars descending on their apostate friends or something unfortunate happening to Bethany if she was sent to the Circle).

 

I can imagine that if you side with the Templars as a Mage, Hawke's in a precarious situation and while being Viscount, they still would play to play ball with the Templar order. Even if you're not a Mage, it makes far more sense that Hawke was just a figurehead to rally people behind while the Templars reasserted control over the city.

 

So basically, it all amounts to politics and various bits of blackmail.

[Rhifox]

Going by the timeline, even a Viscount Hawke is missing from Kirkwall only 3 years after the Gallows incident. So their reign is rather short-lived. I'd imagine a mage Hawke is appointed only temporarily to help restore order due to being respected by both the local population and Kirkwall templars (to whom by now you've proven reliable). Once the foreign templar reinforcements arrive in Kirkwall I imagine they would have strongly pressured the local templars to rescind the appointment, and would have kept a very close eye on Hawke. Both DA2 and Asunder do show that "hero" mages like Hawke and Wynne are permitted freedoms outside the Circle (provided they toe the line, as Meredith tells Hawke), but actual rulership was probably only allowed due to the extenuating circumstances and would have been revoked shortly after the reinforcements arrived and order was restored.

[metalfenix]

eww, a mage siding with templars. That's an invitation to become a tranquil after dealing with meredith. I know that isn't gonna happen, but it would be an interesting outcome.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

eww, a mage siding with templars. That's an invitation to become a tranquil after dealing with meredith. I know that isn't gonna happen, but it would be an interesting outcome.

 

No it isn't. Meredith's rule as Knight-Commander was the reason why they were using the Rite of Tranquility illegally. Getting the Templars' support as a mage is a good way to promote both sides working together rather than promoting the "us vs. them" mentality they have.

 

It's Templars all the way with my mage. He was all about reining in magic corruption and wasn't going to let any possible threats within the circle go unchecked. Getting rid of Meredith sooner rather than later was just another bonus in that package deal.

[IanPolaris]

In DAO we could not marry Anora/Alistair if we were Mages.
Mages cannot inherit nobility titles.
So why Mage Hawke was ignored and could even become the Viscount/ess of Kirkwall if sided with the Templars?

 

Honestly?  Bad writing.  The ability of Mage-Hawke to become Viscount was an error and IIRC the Devs have even admitted it was an error (and look at the truncated developement cycle for that).

 

In chapter 3, the Templars pretty much had to ignore the apostate nature of a Mage Hawke since he just saved the entire system and was aknowledged as "Champion of Kirkwall".  Given Meredith's increasingly shakey position vis a vis Kirkwall and the negative feelings therein, she basically ignored it for political reasons.  To a much lesser extent this applied in Chapter 2 when Hawke was a wealthy noble with the open favor of the Viscount.  It's chapter 1 where it's really glaringly bad writing.

 

All JIMHO

 

-Polaris

[Boisterous Bob]

I agree that, as others have said, it's a shaky plot at best.

Maybe worth pointing out, though, is Marcher culture: "The most important thing to know about the Free Marches is that we're free. We determine our own destiny, and that pleases us." (from the DA wiki, which doesn't cite it, but if memory serves, that comes from The World of Thedas)

Given a social attitude of fierce Marcher independence, coupled with the abrupt weakening of the Chantry in Kirkwall...I dunno, it's shaky, yeah, but it's maybe more plausible when viewed that way. I mean, maybe I'm forgetting DA2 details, but Hawke dealt with Anders (one way or another) on his own, right? So all the templars actually witnessed was the Chantry blowing up due to the actions of "a mage," but they saw with their own eyes the Knight-Commander turn into something very abomination-like. Might have put things in perspective for them? (Please correct me if I got my DA2 facts wrong.)

[Turnip]

Because plot armor.

[Lulupab]

Plot armor and there are always exceptions. Hawke used his/her magic to save the city in front every important person in the city. That is ought to bring some status and respect, actually much more than "some" in this case.

[Akrabra]

Well during the Qunari invasion when you first meet Meredith she says something like "I will overlook your use of magic for the moment." Implying that after the invasion maybe she had plans for you?. But then 10 minutes later you beat the Arishok and what other choice than to declare you a champion? You saved the city from something she hates as much as mages, a different religion. Plus it is Cullen that makes you Viscount, seeing as he would be the new commander. And it is probably temporary as people here mention.

[Ryzaki]

can't mage Warden be a Teryn? PC special snowflake status is the issue.

[Nightdragon8]

Honestly?  Bad writing.  The ability of Mage-Hawke to become Viscount was an error and IIRC the Devs have even admitted it was an error (and look at the truncated developement cycle for that).

 

In chapter 3, the Templars pretty much had to ignore the apostate nature of a Mage Hawke since he just saved the entire system and was aknowledged as "Champion of Kirkwall".  Given Meredith's increasingly shakey position vis a vis Kirkwall and the negative feelings therein, she basically ignored it for political reasons.  To a much lesser extent this applied in Chapter 2 when Hawke was a wealthy noble with the open favor of the Viscount.  It's chapter 1 where it's really glaringly bad writing.

 

All JIMHO

 

-Polaris

I would love to know where that was said.

[congokong]

Mage Hawke makes no sense for many reasons in-game; not just about being viscount. How can people not know you're a mage when you have a staff hung over your back? And once Hawke becomes champion, doesn't everyone know Hawke's a mage? When people recount the tale they're going to mention Hawke's weapon of choice. There were dozens of nobility witnesses in that room too.

 

Of course many including the templars know that Hawke and Anders are mages yet look the other way; cherry-picking who gets locked up based on usefulness I suppose.

 

What's ironic about mage Hawke too is that despite the mentioned power of mages rogue Hawke is significantly better.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Only real problem I felt with Mage!Hawke is speaking to Cullen in Act 1.

 

Other than that, though, I think everything else can be rationalized. Kirkwall's justice system typically looks the other way when it comes to the nobility, and by Act 2, Hawke has the fortune to make him untouchable. Robe and staff is a gameplay/story segregation thing. Mages don't need their staves -- they can cast spells without it. It is also known that Aveline and Varric have their ways of keeping interested parties away from their friends.

 

With Anders, I headcanon that the Templars deliberately avoid him for fear of conflict with the Grey Wardens wanting him back.

 

I guess Cullen just has a really one-track mind.

[congokong]

If Hawke's nobility makes them untouchable then why does Meredith use Hawke's apostate status to threaten Hawke into helping her find the escaped mages in Act 3?

 

Mages don't need their staff, but Hawke always has it on his/her back. Isn't that a red flag right there unless it's common for non-mages to put a staff on their backs to mess with templars?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

If Hawke's nobility makes them untouchable then why does Meredith use Hawke's apostate status to threaten Hawke into helping her find the escaped mages in Act 3?

 

Mages don't need their staff, but Hawke always has it on his/her back. Isn't that a red flag right there unless it's common for non-mages to put a staff on their backs to mess with templars?

 

1.) Because that's what tyrants do -- use intimidation and threats (even empty ones) to get their way.

 

She makes a veiled threat about Bethany if she's in the Circle, but it's highly unlikely she'll do anything to her.

 

2.) Gameplay/story segregation. You've played Mass Effect. It's like Shepard wearing Cerberus armor in... inopportune places.

[Dean_the_Young]

There's also an argument or point that avoiding the Templars isn't so much about being untouchable as cost-effiiency. It's mentioned a few times that Meredith steps carefully about the nobility, and in Act 3 she is working to try and entrench and solidify Templar influence in Kirkwall. It's not so much that Hawke is beyond her power- rather that picking a fight with the Champion would end up hurting her more than it helps. If Meredith and the Templars crush Hawke, but at the cost of their power in Kirkwall, is it worth it for them?

[Dabrikishaw]

Because Bioware ran out of time to include the quest that was supposed to explain this, instead we have to assume that either Hawke just keep to using Magic out of the public eye until He fights the Arishok, or the Templars are idiots 

[ZerebusPrime]

.....a mage Hawke cannot become Viscount, IIRC.  You can't get that achievement while playing a mage and you get shot down if you try the conversation options that would lead to it.

[Asdrubael Vect]

everyone forget that noone exept Meredith and some Templars hunters(what Hawke must kill to save himself or bethany) who was cut by devs does not know that mage Hawke was a mage(no matter how stupid it looks but yeah) and if someone from Chantry(Meredith always blackmail hawke) and many noble would know about this they would send him in Chantry Circles and he would loose all rights, titles, lands and money

 

Hawke especially Hawke mage who support Templars is really stupid Hawke))) his friends is mages and who is non-mages have mages friends and relatives and Hawke family is mages, apostages and blood mages...Amell from Ferelden, his Father, his Sister...and yeah Hawke childrens and their childrens would have mages because of his family if he would not marry dwarf

 

Hawke who support Templars is like a jew who support N*zi

[Gervaise]

Actually my first Hawke who was a mage was so appalled by what was happening around her with regard to blood magic in Act 3 (there are blood mages on the streets with blood thralls in addition to what happens in the Circles) and the involvement of someone in the Circle with her mother's death, plus what happens with Anders, that she had come round to thinking that perhaps the Templars had a point (just as Feynriel does if you send him to Tevinter), even though at the beginning of the Act she had tried to remain neutral.   She was in a friendship romance with Fenris, although that had been a near run thing taking to almost the end of Act 3 to get the requisite number of friendship points for their reconciliation.    She had been working hard to show that mages could be trusted with power, so was really disappointed in what other mages had done to disprove this.   Her brother was a Templar and she liked to think he would not condone the sort of excesses of which some of the Templars were guilty in Kirkwall.   She knew that Thrask had been trying hard to reconcile the two sides and had the support of many Templars, until killed by a vengeful blood mage.    Hence her decision to side with the Templars.   This did allow her to spare those two mages who begged for mercy.   It also allowed the Templars to see just how crazy Meredith really was since there was no justification in immediately arresting Hawke.

 

However, when the Templars bowed the knee to this Hawke at the end, it just didn't seem right.   However, grateful they were for her loyalty, no matter that she was the Champion and had defeated Meredith, this did not square with how the Templars are portrayed.    I also imagined Fenris' head exploding at the sight since it would remind him way too much of the situation in Tevinter.     So a mage Hawke becoming Vicount didn't seem consistent with game law.