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[congokong]

@Gervaise

 

How did you manage a complete friendship romance with Fenris as a mage supporter? You would have to hide him like a lepper during any mage related quest and be super nice during those sit-down-and-talk mini-quests. Even then, getting 100 friendship seems near impossible.

 

If I romanced Fenris I have Hawke move on after he dumps you. It's ridiculous. You're expected to remain single for 3 years and get max friendship/rivalry just for Fenris to come around? At least with Merrill/Anders you have 3 years of happiness together. Still, it's strange it takes 3 years just to start something. Then there is Isabela who sails off for 3 years even if in a romance after Act 2, right? And the Sebastian romance is a celibate relationship.

[DiscoGhost]

ok so it kinda makes sense to me.

durring act 1 and almost all of act 2, no1 realizes your a mage and theyre retarded(which blows my mind cuz everyone asks u to do them favors and stuff). then you show everyone your uber mage power and kill the arishok at the end of act 2.

 

durring act 3, everyone knows your a mage but your the peoples champion at that point and none of the templars would even want to touch you in fear of rebelion. at that point even merridith tries to blackmail you, but its a more or less a bluff on her end cuz its a lose lose sittuation for her.

[Denthris]

Okay other than the "I walk around in robes carrying a mage staff" which is just such a glaring hole, so much that it should just be ignored. Its just a RPG game flaw that says "Mages wear Robes."  If Hawke's armor had face coverings etc, to hide his identity while he casted his magic, it would made ALOT more sense.

 

Act 1. Hawke's generally a Nobody. Hes got a minor name with the Smugglers/ Mercenaries, but other than that he might start getting noticed for Templar to pay attention, but then he disappears down to the Deep Roads, only to return with a crap load of wealth. Giving him enough money to make the right people make evidence disappear. On top of that Hawke is relatively inactive for 3 years, probably getting rid of the I'm A MAGE attention he earned pre-deep-roads. 

 

The only Templars who directly learn you are a Mage, is Cullen whom you technically save his life from the demon. And Thrask, who is willing to turn a blind eye to help mages out.

 

By Act 2. Hawke has enough money, gaining the attention of the Vicount, and is known by name by the Arishock.  The Qunarri are the biggest threat at this time, and its getting worse by the moment. Not to mention the number of apostates running around, probably keeps the Templar busy than trying to take down a Mage who has some level of privilege.  Its most likely the Arishock that really keeps Hawke out of Templar hands. The Vicount uses Hawks reputation with him to help attempt to calm his down.

 

Act 3 - Your the Hero and Meridith is having a hard enough time keeping Orisino alive. The simply fact that putting Hawke in the Gallows would give the Circle more political clout. Keeping Hawke at arms reach, with veiled threats. The moment her other mage problem is "dealt" with, and Orisino gone, she finally can turn on Hawke which she does in a heart beat.

 

 

Overall there are moment in the game where Mage Hawke plot wise is incredibly weak. But the over arching story of Hawke being the one who could help stop the Mage rebellions, Mage Hawke makes alot more sense. (How would a Warrior Hawke who sided with the Templar have ANY influence on rebelling Mages, where a Mage Hawke regardless of who they side with would have a lot better of a perspective)

 

Over all Kirkwall has more apostate than rats it seems.

[Nightdragon8]

and yet another topic of beating the "how can hawke mage even live free in Kirkwall"

[gottaloveme]

After Hawke saves Keran  and Keran dumps on the mages, he says (basically) hey,  I'm a mage. This is said in front of Cullen. Secrecy? Is that in the dictionary? Not only that but you have Anders (far more twitchy about being found out) running around yelling - never thwart a mage or fear all mages or the wonderful suck on a fireball. Ooh la la!

 

So - how does Hawke become Viscount?

[Willowhugger]

Meredith explains in Act III she let Hawke run wild through Kirkwall because they were dealing with a lot of problems the Templars were having difficulty with. The fact she probably knows you've killed Templars too doesn't really bother her as I suspect she'd sacrifice the Sir Alriks of the Order and his followers if it meant that some more Blood Mages were killed.

 

She's playing you like a fiddle, really.

 

One apostate or a sympathizer to an apostate versus the HUNDRED or so Blood Mages Hawke kills.

Easy math.

[Willowhugger]

So - how does Hawke become Viscount?

 

The Amells have produced mages for generations. Everyone knows Hawke is a mage, probably, or Bethany. It's something people are disgusted by but they're still one of the most respected families in Kirkwall. Also, shockingly, MageHawke can actually change their minds about being bigoted against mages.

Or, at least, one specific Mage.

 

"Yeah, I hate mages but the Champion kicks ass."

 

Sten considers you a worthy adversary and so does the Arishok.

 

So people aren't MINDLESSY hating on the mage, Anders statements aside.

[Milan92]

.....a mage Hawke cannot become Viscount, IIRC.  You can't get that achievement while playing a mage and you get shot down if you try the conversation options that would lead to it.

 

Wrong and wrong.

 

First of all, a mage Hawke does become Viscount. It has happend everytime I played one and sided with the templars.

 

Secondly, there is no conversation that allows for a decision. Hawke always becomes Viscount if you side with the templars.

[Abraham_uk]

In DAO we could not marry Anora/Alistair if we were Mages.
Mages cannot inherit nobility titles.
So why Mage Hawke was ignored and could even become the Viscount/ess of Kirkwall if sided with the Templars?

 

Mage Hawke is a problem and a problem solver.

 

Spoiler

 

Gangs ruining peoples lives in Kirkwall. Mage Hawke and company deal with it.

Problems on the outskirts of Kirkwall. Mage Hawke and company deal with it.

Serious problems with Qunari. Mage Hawke and company deal with it.

A Templar problem involving renegade mages using mind control. Mage Hawke and company deal with it.

Necromancer on a serial killing spree. Mage Hawke and company deal with it.

 

 

I don't know about you, but if I were Meredith I'd be turning a blind eye to this as well.

[Doominike]

For the viscount thing I dunno but the "tolerated" part is because she's simply unable to arrest you. Mage Hawke wins a magic duel with an ancient tevinter magister/primordial darkspawn. S/he's one of the most powerful beings in Thedas, like ever. Meredith thinking she could do anything to Hawke is outright delusional

[dantares83]

i think that staff and Hawke wearing robes should be for aesthetic purposes only. Just like Leiliana having her head cut off is only animation.

 

It is strongly implied that in Chapter 1, Hawke is doing his best to lie low and not be exposed as a mage. So even though we are casting spells in game (for combat and gameplay purposes), in front of Cullen etc., it can be assumed that no spellcasting were involved and Hawke is just a busybody. He has told some people he was a mage (e.g. the person that hire him/her) at the start but they must also keep it a secret. They would be in trouble if people know they use the services of an apostate. 

 

I mean in the game, most of the time, after the battles, you still have to announce that you are a mage and they will always be shocked! (like come on, did you not see the fire storm just now).

 

In Act 2, Hawke has land and title so people are more willing to overlook it. Cullen mentioned to my Hawke that the reason he did not try to catch him because Hawke is popular in Kirkwall among the nobles and knows even the Viscount and the Arishok. He probably did not even mention Hawke to Meredith. 

 

In Act 3, he don't even need to hide it anymore since he is the Champion and Meredith mentioned that while Hawke can be popular, he is not totally immune. But still she did nothing until the very end, it is politics. 

 

So I do not think it is really bad writing. The rich and powerful always have certain privileges.  And it can be assumed that Hawke resisted casting spells in Act 1 and/or is just very good at escaping. I mean Anders is a spirit healer and has openly use magic to heal people, surely the Templars would know in 6 years. But it can be assumed that he just managed to avoid them whenever they come for a raid. 

[Doominike]

I still think if they tried to arrest Hawke they'd have backed down after s/he killed a few hundred templars

[Mykel54]

I liked the idea that DA2 was the story of Hawke "rise to power", and frankly as a mage you cannot really rise in power a lot. You only rise as long as nobody finds you are breaking the law. I prefer the ending where Hawke becomes Viscountess as that means she found some kind of achievement for all her trouble in Kirkwall.

 

I also prefer how non mage hawke has valid options in either helping the circle or the templars, while for a mage hawke i see the choices already made for you: why would an apostate ever side with templars? The apostate helping the templars is such an hypocrite and feels so contrived that i cannot play that way.

 

I wish i could play as mage Hawke, but i cannot ignore all the problems in the story.