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[Exaltation]

What are the chances that our Mage Inquisitor is a Dreamer? lol,i think that would be cool.
 
How will those of the Qun will view our Female Qunari Mage?,we will be considered dangerous but also won't be taken seriously for being the "body" of The Inquisition...? lol,not to forget we are also considered Vashoth.
The way the Females and Mages are treated in the Qun it would seem for a Female Qunari Mage to reach a diplomatic solution with those of the Qun impossible lol,as the Qun has "kill on sight" "policy" towards Vashoth and Mages.

Yet Sten and the Arishok may show respect to Female Mage Warden/Hawke.

Which eventually leads me to the "conclusion": "Qunari...,go figure" lol

[Br3admax]

I honestly don't see the appeal of being murdered by insanity in my sleep. to be frank. Unless I plan on being an assassin, there's nothing being a dreamer can do, in most practical situations, that a normal mage couldn't. 

[mikeymoonshine]

I guess quizzy could be a dreamer but then there has to be some pther reason for fade powers because a non mage quizzy also has them. Making the mages dreamers wouldn't make much difference other than giving the mage characters extra powers. 

 

The Qunari don't actually treat women badly/oppress them. They just don't view them as warriors so they can't join the military and dedicate their lives to fighting. They can fight though and they can be Ben-Hassrath like Tallis was who do fight (sometimes). 

 

They wouldn't be too keen on a woman leading a military force however so that could be a problem. Oh and yes they would kill any free mage if they could. The Arishok didn't know Hawke was a mage and as for Sten well he wasn't in Qunari lands and he was under the command of the warden so I guess that played into it. I think the situation and the fact that he couldn't really go back to the Qun anyway caused Sten to act differently. 

 

Hawke isn't part of a military or leading a military force in the eyes of the Arishok so Hawke being a woman doesn't matter either, Qunari don't view women as inferior or weak. 

[Inprea]

A mage Inquisitor does represent some issues. I doubt the Inquisitor is going to be a dreamer but one thing I am looking forward to is seeing how the templars and chantry respond to you. After all a mage Inquisitor is most assuredly living outside the circle, you're a military leader and making rather important decisions. Effectively you're doing everything the chantry fears. If you do them well then you stand as an example that the chantry's laws aren't needed for every mage. Even if that isn't your goal. If you're a sociopath then you justify their laws but now they have a sociopath mage leading a large army.

 

Unless they're players that intend to let the templars make all the decisions for their character. I doubt that's an option though. Bioware sets it up so that the Inquisitor can promote a templar over them and then follow orders from that point on.

[LobselVith8]

A mage Inquisitor does represent some issues. I doubt the Inquisitor is going to be a dreamer but one thing I am looking forward to is seeing how the templars and chantry respond to you. After all a mage Inquisitor is most assuredly living outside the circle, you're a military leader and making rather important decisions. Effectively you're doing everything the chantry fears. If you do them well then you stand as an example that the chantry's laws aren't needed for every mage. Even if that isn't your goal. If you're a sociopath then you justify their laws but now they have a sociopath mage leading a large army.

 

Unless they're players that intend to let the templars make all the decisions for their character. I doubt that's an option though. Bioware sets it up so that the Inquisitor can promote a templar over them and then follow orders from that point on.

 

Considering the mage can be a heathen, either the Vashoth and Dalish protagonist, I'm curious to see how the Chantry and the templars are going to respond to a mage getting power, and acting in a leadership position, in violation of Chantry law. I'm also wondering if the Hero of Ferelden and/or the Champion of Kirkwall being mages will be mentioned, as prior "examples" of popular mages who demonstrate what mages can do when they are independent of the Chantry controlled Circles.

[KainD]

The way the Females and Mages are treated in the Qun it would seem for a Female Qunari Mage to reach a diplomatic solution with those of the Qun impossible lol,as the Qun has "kill on sight" "policy" towards Vashoth and Mages.

 

Female and a mage in the Qun are mutually exclusive. Mages in the Qun are considered a thing an ''it'', they don't view mages as either male or female. 

[KainD]

I honestly don't see the appeal of being murdered by insanity in my sleep. to be frank. Unless I plan on being an assassin, there's nothing being a dreamer can do, in most practical situations, that a normal mage couldn't. 

 

You drunk? 

[Nightwriter]

Dreamers struck me as Interesting Protagonist Material from the moment they were introduced in DA2.

 

However I doubt it will ever be implemented as it would need a fair bit of attention and fleshing out from the devs, and it's probably too much work to put into a choice not everyone is making (as many people will undoubtedly choose to be non-mages).

[Wolfen09]

i dont see the dreamer part coming until we get a game in tevinter.... like maybe even if not a mage the main character becomes a dreamer somehow...  but it would have to be a real heavy magic driven storyline for it to happen

[Tevinter Soldier]

What are the chances that our Mage Inquisitor is a Dreamer? lol,i think that would be cool.

How will those of the Qun will view our Female Qunari Mage?,we will be considered dangerous but also won't be taken seriously for being the "body" of The Inquisition...? lol,not to forget we are also considered Vashoth.
The way the Females and Mages are treated in the Qun it would seem for a Female Qunari Mage to reach a diplomatic solution with those of the Qun impossible lol,as the Qun has "kill on sight" "policy" towards Vashoth and Mages.

Yet Sten and the Arishok may show respect to Female Mage Warden/Hawke.

Which eventually leads me to the "conclusion": "Qunari...,go figure" lol

One would assume Qunari would treat female and male exactly the same unleashed saarabas that must be executed as they have spent too much time away from their leash and have become corrupted.

They should also assume those around the Inquisitor are also corrupted and try to kill them too.

This of course is unlikely to actually happen there will be some "plot reason's" why they don't so as the player needs interact with the Qunari without them being all outraged and attacking you or running away in fear.

[DaySeeker]

The Arishok never seemed bothered I was a mage, nor did his men.  I suspect their are QUn followers who are a bit more worldly.

 

How much have a dreamer's power's been descrbed?  From the little I know of them they'd be like a mage/rogue and often unconscious.  I would like to know more, maybe one of the NPC's will be then any player can get the story and it could be worked into quests.  

[Treacherous J Slither]

I guess quizzy could be a dreamer but then there has to be some pther reason for fade powers because a non mage quizzy also has them. Making the mages dreamers wouldn't make much difference other than giving the mage characters extra powers. 

 

The Qunari don't actually treat women badly/oppress them. They just don't view them as warriors so they can't join the military and dedicate their lives to fighting. They can fight though and they can be Ben-Hassrath like Tallis was who do fight (sometimes). 

 

They wouldn't be too keen on a woman leading a military force however so that could be a problem. Oh and yes they would kill any free mage if they could. The Arishok didn't know Hawke was a mage and as for Sten well he wasn't in Qunari lands and he was under the command of the warden so I guess that played into it. I think the situation and the fact that he couldn't really go back to the Qun anyway caused Sten to act differently. 

 

Hawke isn't part of a military or leading a military force in the eyes of the Arishok so Hawke being a woman doesn't matter either, Qunari don't view women as inferior or weak. 

 

The Qunari DO consider women to be physically inferior to men. Otherwise they would let women fight as warriors in the army. There is no other explanation for their exclusion.

[Hellion Rex]

The Qunari DO consider women to be physically inferior to men. Otherwise they would let women fight as warriors in the army. There is no other explanation for their exclusion.

But that doesn't mean that they consider the women weak. Many Ben-Hassrath are women, like Tallis.

[Treacherous J Slither]

But that doesn't mean that they consider the women weak. Many Ben-Hassrath are women, like Tallis.

 

If they aren't weak then why aren't they warriors? 

 

Why allow Tallis or any female to fight as a spy or whatever but not as a warrior?

 

If males and females were being treated equally there would be no need to separate the two. Humans, elves, and dwarves see no need for separation yet the qunari do. What's that about if not sexism?

[In Exile]

If they aren't weak then why aren't they warriors? 

 

Why allow Tallis or any female to fight as a spy or whatever but not as a warrior?

 

If males and females were being treated equally there would be no need to separate the two. Humans, elves, and dwarves see no need for separation yet the qunari do. What's that about if not sexism?

 

The qunari don't believe in equality the way we understand it, full stop. Their whole society is based on the idea of discrimination, as people are forced to exist in pre-defined social roles that are assigned to them.

 

But from what we've seen, it isn't sexism in the IRL sense that motivates their attitude toward women in-game, even if we could argue it is IRL sexist that actually motivated the role divide.  

[Vasyl]

The qunari aren't Sexist. They do believe that women make better political leaders. The Army is all male and lead by a male Arishock, The craftsmen are all female and lead by a female Arigena, and the priesthood is a mixture of both and lead by an Ariqun who can be either male or female.

It should also be noted despite having an all male army it appears to outsiders that it is a female run society.

[mikeymoonshine]

If they aren't weak then why aren't they warriors? 

 

Why allow Tallis or any female to fight as a spy or whatever but not as a warrior?

 

If males and females were being treated equally there would be no need to separate the two. Humans, elves, and dwarves see no need for separation yet the qunari do. What's that about if not sexism?

 

It's about their beliefs, they believe that people are what their roles are and they select people for certain roles based on their traits. Male Qunari are going to generally be stronger so ofc it's them that get put in the army (or at least the strongest one's) but that doesn't mean they think women can't fight or that they shouldn't. Any Qunari can fight to defend themselves or to defend their homeland and there are non military roles that involve combat. 

 

Tallis is basically part of the Qunari police, police aren't warriors they are protectors but they do and can fight. Tallis's name/job means to solve problems and as you can see in MOTA she preferred to solve things non violently. Part of that is probably because it's not her role to always resort to violence, she merely has to solve the problem but she can use violence if she feels that she needs to. 

 

Now, if you are saying that the way they live leads to inequality between the sexes as well as inequality in general then yes I would agree but the motivation is not a sexist one. They simply believe that you are your role in your society and to do anything else is to be at war with yourself. That does not mean they think a woman's role is to serve men, be weaker than men or to be controlled by men. In fact Qunari society seems to be mostly female lead. 

 

I'm not a lore master so if anyone notices a mistake in this, please correct me.

[The Ascendant]

Ahem, before this descends into another Qunari debate (I like them b.t.w.) but I thought this was about whether a Mage Inquisitor was a Dreamer, as in a mage who can alter the Fade and shape it to his will and kill enemies in their dreams.  

[Br3admax]

You drunk? 

No. Most dreamers die as children outside of Tevinter. This is hardly appealing. Unless you like being murdered by demons in your sleep, and in that case, whatever floats your boat. 

[KainD]

No. Most dreamers die as children outside of Tevinter. This is hardly appealing. Unless you like being murdered by demons in your sleep, and in that case, whatever floats your boat. 

 

Well if you are a scrub then you die, if not then you master your power and become stronger than the demons. 

[Br3admax]

Well if you are a scrub then you die, if not then you master your power and become stronger than the demons. 

Yeah, that's not how it works. It has nothing to do with being a "scrub." I'm guessing this stems from the inaccurate way the game portrays what living like a mage is actually like. 

[KainD]

Yeah, that's not how it works. It has nothing to do with being a "scrub." I'm guessing this stems from the inaccurate way the game portrays what living like a mage is actually like. 

 

Feynriel survived for God knows how long without any formal education. If you get formal magic education it's a lot easier btw. Game portrays everything very well, the protagonist is not a scrub. 

[Br3admax]

Feynriel survived for God knows how long without any formal education. If you get formal magic education it's a lot easier btw. Game portrays everything very well, the protagonist is not a scrub. 

Feynriel only survives because Hawke helps him. Without Hawke, Feynriel would have died. Even with Hawke's help, Feynriel constantly had nightmares and his every plaguing hour while he slept was worse than the last, something that he himself said. Finally, game portrays most things wrong, lorewise. Seriously, at this point, I'm just going to chock this up to you purposefully being obtuse. 

[KainD]

Feynriel only survives because Hawke helps him. Without Hawke, Feynriel would have died. Even with Hawke's help, Feynriel constantly had nightmares and his every plaguing hour while he slept was worse than the last, something that he himself said. Finally, game portrays most things wrong, lorewise. Seriously, at this point, I'm just going to chock this up to you purposefully being obtuse. 

 

Yeah that's because Feynriel had no idea of what he was and what he was doing. Then he goes to Tevinter and everything is fine, he prospers, isn't troubled anymore and even shows very powerful feats of dream invading.